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Post by acousticwolf on Mar 16, 2016 9:23:52 GMT
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Post by Timelord007 on Mar 16, 2016 16:26:16 GMT
Looking forward to this 2CD four parter along with next months release, it has a intriguing story premise.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2016 0:49:32 GMT
Fantastic release and very, very relevant - and I wasn't expecting that!
NEXT TIME: THE CONQUEST OF TIME!
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Post by omega on Mar 17, 2016 5:29:22 GMT
The whole problem seems to be a paradox. The future, area 24, are going back to the past, area 14 here, to get the things they need to restore their civilisation. But the people in area 14 are hoarding the crystals and developing time travel precisely because the people from area 24 are stealing the crystals and the animals, leaving nothing for the people of area 14 to maintain their civilisation. It's a classic chicken and egg conundrum, where the interference from the future has potentially created the problem they are using time travel in an attempt to solve. There's still another two episodes left to go, so who knows what will happen? I bet that the Doctor will prevent the initial time travel experiments, thus eliminating the problem.
The K9 from the future (the one with the Doctor is accounted for throughout the story) has shades of Festival of Death, which I'm surprised wasn't brought up in the interviews, especially given that this was recorded not long after it was re-released for the 50th anniversary. The Doctor and Romana switching time zones was funny, like how you're in the lift going up as the person you're meeting is going down in the other lift at the same time (that's happened to me before).
It may not be an original observation, but having four episodes really allowed the first half of the story to breathe. It's also the first two-parter (one story across two releases) not to have an overly traditional feel, so the first part has succeeded, lets hope the second half won't run out of steam!
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Post by omega on Mar 17, 2016 5:30:17 GMT
Fantastic release and very, very relevant - and I wasn't expecting that! NEXT TIME: THE CONQUEST OF TIME! You sound like a comic book. Next Time: Deconstructed!
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Post by mark687 on Mar 17, 2016 12:39:23 GMT
My least liked of the current run so far because its all about Romana 2.
What an arrogant condescending and conceited character she is, the Part 2 cliff-hanger delivered as if she's just stepped in something nasty.
Thank goodness for the Doctor's interactions with K9 and Drang, Baker, Lesson Rouse are really saving it for me. Chadourn and Campball-Jones are doing the best they can.
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Post by jasonward on Mar 17, 2016 14:41:59 GMT
Love it, was really absorbed by the whole story. The idea for the story is a really great one, love Romana and I don't see any issues with her and I'm a little perplexed by the comment "it's all about Romana" she doesn't appear to dominate, or have a presence above that I would expect for a companion and a Timelord.
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Post by mark687 on Mar 17, 2016 15:22:24 GMT
Love it, was really absorbed by the whole story. The idea for the story is a really great one, love Romana and I don't see any issues with her and I'm a little perplexed by the comment "it's all about Romana" she doesn't appear to dominate, or have a presence above that I would expect for a companion and a Timelord. Apologies to Romana II fans and absolutely no disrespect is intended to Lalla Ward, its probably just my own irrational dislike, but so far II in the 4DA's has been portrayed with no charm, no empathy no compassion, in fact the closest comparison I can make is Marvin the Paranoid Android expect less amusing. Every situation seems viewed as tedious and having to engage with anyone else is positively tiresome. It could be part of a season story arc I suppose...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2016 15:42:05 GMT
Love it, was really absorbed by the whole story. The idea for the story is a really great one, love Romana and I don't see any issues with her and I'm a little perplexed by the comment "it's all about Romana" she doesn't appear to dominate, or have a presence above that I would expect for a companion and a Timelord. Apologies to Romana II fans and absolutely no disrespect is intended to Lalla Ward, its probably just my own irrational dislike, but so far II in the 4DA's has been portrayed with no charm, no empathy no compassion, in fact the closest comparison I can make is Marvin the Paranoid Android expect less amusing. Every situation seems viewed as tedious and having to engage with anyone else is positively tiresome. It could be part of a season story arc I suppose...
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I am a huge fan of Romana 2 - but no apologies are necessary, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. How nice that someone is so respectful - that is why this has quickly become my favourite forum. She is a little sharp-sounding on audio, but I still love her. I think she has to be fairly hardened to deal with the Doctor! Perhaps a few more opportunities for her to show the warmer side of her nature would be nice, but as I say, I have no complaints. She and Mary Tamm's incarnation could be a little aloof on television at times, so I don't think her character here is markedly different Edited to add - I've just finished this and thoroughly enjoyed it. A nice, complex story concerning Time Travel - very well played by the cast, and nicely paced. There is a lot going on, and a lot of weighty issues addressed, but I was never confused as to what was going on - an d I'm not the cleverest person! I really liked this four-parter so early in the series. Very very good - looking forward to the second instalment already!
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Mar 17, 2016 20:12:05 GMT
My least liked of the current run so far because its all about Romana 2. What an arrogant condescending and conceited character she is, the Part 2 cliff-hanger delivered as if she's just stepped in something nasty. Thank goodness for the Doctor's interactions with K9 and Drang, Baker, Lesson Rouse are really saving it for me. Chadourn and Campball-Jones are doing the best they can. Regards mark687 Romana IS arrogant and condescending though. Romana 1 was judgmental too.
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Post by icecreamdf on Mar 17, 2016 20:41:38 GMT
The whole problem seems to be a paradox. The future, area 24, are going back to the past, area 14 here, to get the things they need to restore their civilisation. But the people in area 14 are hoarding the crystals and developing time travel precisely because the people from area 24 are stealing the crystals and the animals, leaving nothing for the people of area 14 to maintain their civilisation. It's a classic chicken and egg conundrum, where the interference from the future has potentially created the problem they are using time travel in an attempt to solve. There's still another two episodes left to go, so who knows what will happen? I bet that the Doctor will prevent the initial time travel experiments, thus eliminating the problem. The K9 from the future (the one with the Doctor is accounted for throughout the story) has shades of Festival of Death, which I'm surprised wasn't brought up in the interviews, especially given that this was recorded not long after it was re-released for the 50th anniversary. The Doctor and Romana switching time zones was funny, like how you're in the lift going up as the person you're meeting is going down in the other lift at the same time (that's happened to me before). It may not be an original observation, but having four episodes really allowed the first half of the story to breathe. It's also the first two-parter (one story across two releases) not to have an overly traditional feel, so the first part has succeeded, lets hope the second half won't run out of steam! Yeah, I felt like face-palming when the guy was explaining to the Doctor that the people in the past didn't use the crystals for some unknown reason, so they were going back in time and stealing the crystals.
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Post by mrperson on Mar 17, 2016 21:03:11 GMT
I really liked this, but I hesitate to type up much in the way of thoughts until we've got the second part.
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Post by mark687 on Mar 17, 2016 21:30:39 GMT
My least liked of the current run so far because its all about Romana 2. What an arrogant condescending and conceited character she is, the Part 2 cliff-hanger delivered as if she's just stepped in something nasty. Thank goodness for the Doctor's interactions with K9 and Drang, Baker, Lesson Rouse are really saving it for me. Chadourn and Campball-Jones are doing the best they can. Regards mark687 Romana IS arrogant and condescending though. Romana 1 was judgmental too. Maybe but Romana 1 had some charm and at least seemed find some enjoyment in her travels and the company of her traveling companions.
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Post by omega on Mar 17, 2016 21:53:44 GMT
The whole problem seems to be a paradox. The future, area 24, are going back to the past, area 14 here, to get the things they need to restore their civilisation. But the people in area 14 are hoarding the crystals and developing time travel precisely because the people from area 24 are stealing the crystals and the animals, leaving nothing for the people of area 14 to maintain their civilisation. It's a classic chicken and egg conundrum, where the interference from the future has potentially created the problem they are using time travel in an attempt to solve. There's still another two episodes left to go, so who knows what will happen? I bet that the Doctor will prevent the initial time travel experiments, thus eliminating the problem. The K9 from the future (the one with the Doctor is accounted for throughout the story) has shades of Festival of Death, which I'm surprised wasn't brought up in the interviews, especially given that this was recorded not long after it was re-released for the 50th anniversary. The Doctor and Romana switching time zones was funny, like how you're in the lift going up as the person you're meeting is going down in the other lift at the same time (that's happened to me before). It may not be an original observation, but having four episodes really allowed the first half of the story to breathe. It's also the first two-parter (one story across two releases) not to have an overly traditional feel, so the first part has succeeded, lets hope the second half won't run out of steam! Yeah, I felt like face-palming when the guy was explaining to the Doctor that the people in the past didn't use the crystals for some unknown reason, so they were going back in time and stealing the crystals. Exactly, they've had centuries of developing time travel so surely someone had thought about the implications and realised that the seeming lack of crystals in the past is actually a self-fulfilling prophecy. The best solution would be to return what was taken back to area 14, discourage Embery's time travel experiments and let a better future take place. That way the new area 24 doesn't have time travel capabilities, can't steal from the past and none of this ever happens. Living underground and scavenging off your own past can't be a very good existence. No wonder it's the Paradox Planet!
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Post by icecreamdf on Mar 17, 2016 22:03:25 GMT
Yeah, I felt like face-palming when the guy was explaining to the Doctor that the people in the past didn't use the crystals for some unknown reason, so they were going back in time and stealing the crystals. Exactly, they've had centuries of developing time travel so surely someone had thought about the implications and realised that the seeming lack of crystals in the past is actually a self-fulfilling prophecy. The best solution would be to return what was taken back to area 14, discourage Embery's time travel experiments and let a better future take place. That way the new area 24 doesn't have time travel capabilities, can't steal from the past and none of this ever happens. Living underground and scavenging off your own past can't be a very good existence. No wonder it's the Paradox Planet! Well, they seem pretty convinced that they can't change history, so it probably hasn't occurred to them. They want to improve the future, not the past.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Mar 18, 2016 12:02:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 17:30:55 GMT
I liked this one, but It is had to judge The Paradox Planet completely as it is only half of a story, but what we've got so far is very good. I am looking forward to next month's release more now to see how it all wraps up. Overall, I am liking these 4DA's with Romana II; although she's not my favourite companion by any means (she's not even my favourite Romana!), her dynamic with the Doctor comes across like it did on the TV show, which makes their banter enjoyable. For me, yet another strong set of 4DAs this year so far, so no complaints here.
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Post by omega on Mar 22, 2016 7:23:53 GMT
If you like what we've gotten so far, check out Jonathan Morris's Eighth Doctor novel Anachrophobia. It's not as heavy on the timey-wimey, but still uses time-enabled warfare in an interesting way.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 11:59:07 GMT
My least liked of the current run so far because its all about Romana 2. What an arrogant condescending and conceited character she is, the Part 2 cliff-hanger delivered as if she's just stepped in something nasty. Thank goodness for the Doctor's interactions with K9 and Drang, Baker, Lesson Rouse are really saving it for me. Chadourn and Campball-Jones are doing the best they can. Regards mark687 The entire series is about Four, K9 and Romana being set to fall off their perch and Romana's characterisation reflected that, as did K9's smugness in correcting The Doctor, etc. I actually found Romana, Time Lord arrogance (and we know it'll rub off eventually) aside to be rather compassionate. She was clearly horrified by Every and Shola's actions and their complete lack of foresight and empathy for future generations. I don't blame her for humilating and trying to humble Every and Shola in the slightest. Yes, she find the cultists rather silly, but that's Time Lords for you - and this still a Romana who is very wet behind the ears and experiencing the universe for the first time - of course, she'd find the cultists absurd in light of the world they face and wonder why they can't pull themselves together and be sensible about it. The Doctor, in similar circumstances, has been even less tactful.
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Post by mark687 on Mar 22, 2016 12:24:36 GMT
My least liked of the current run so far because its all about Romana 2. What an arrogant condescending and conceited character she is, the Part 2 cliff-hanger delivered as if she's just stepped in something nasty. Thank goodness for the Doctor's interactions with K9 and Drang, Baker, Lesson Rouse are really saving it for me. Chadourn and Campball-Jones are doing the best they can. Regards mark687 The entire series is about Four, K9 and Romana being set to fall off their perch and Romana's characterisation reflected that, as did K9's smugness in correcting The Doctor, etc. I actually found Romana, Time Lord arrogance (and we know it'll rub off eventually) aside to be rather compassionate. She was clearly horrified by Every and Shola's actions and their complete lack of foresight and empathy for future generations. I don't blame her for humilating and trying to humble Every and Shola in the slightest. Yes, she find the cultists rather silly, but that's Time Lords for you - and this still a Romana who is very wet behind the ears and experiencing the universe for the first time - of course, she'd find the cultists absurd in light of the world they face and wonder why they can't pull themselves together and be sensible about it. The Doctor, in similar circumstances, has been even less tactful. At the moment I'm hoping she's heading for a fall, followed by an injection of vaguely emotive compassion, this season or the next.
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