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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2016 0:53:24 GMT
In light of the recent Main Range release The Peterloo Massacre what is everyone's favourite Historical Audio Story? Mine would probaly 1963: Fanfare for The Common Men
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Post by elkawho on Mar 23, 2016 0:55:17 GMT
Son Of The Dragon and Farewell Great Macedon
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2016 1:14:53 GMT
It's tough because a lot of them scrape very close to the number one slot, but I have to say...
The Council of Nicaea.
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Post by elkawho on Mar 23, 2016 1:16:13 GMT
It's tough because a lot of them scrape very close to the number one slot, but I have to say... The Council of Nicaea. The Council of Nicaea is up there for me as well.
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Post by kimalysong on Mar 23, 2016 1:28:52 GMT
Oh this is a hard one Marian Conspiracy and Farewell Great Macedon are both definitely up there. I also really love Glorious Revolution & Transit to Venus in the CC range. Yes I know Marian Conspiracy and Glorious Revolution have some sci-fi elements but they do not have aliens or monsters which is my main criteria for considering something a true historical. And some people have been listing I haven't heard. I will have to get on that.
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Post by relativetime on Mar 23, 2016 1:32:35 GMT
Son of the Dragon or The Council of Nicaea, probably, but I'm also REALLY fond of The Settling and The Fires of Vulcan.
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Post by kimalysong on Mar 23, 2016 1:35:55 GMT
Son of the Dragon or The Council of Nicaea, probably, but I'm also REALLY fond of The Settling and The Fires of Vulcan. OMG I can't believe I forgot the Settling.....I love that one. Shame on me. And I don't own Council of Nicaea. I am not sure why I definitely will pick it up next time Big Finish does a 51-100 sale.
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Post by agentten on Mar 23, 2016 5:18:16 GMT
Son of The Dragon. Hands down.
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Post by omega on Mar 23, 2016 6:53:08 GMT
Son of the Dragon, because it highlights the different perspectives that the three TARDIS travelers view the people and events they experience with. The Settling is a great one for forcing Hex to face the harsh reality of being in a place where his morality isn't relevant (it's Hex's Ghost Light if you will). Farewell, Great Macedon is a story we should have seen on TV while Flames of Cadiz gives you a far scarier view of the Spanish Inquisition than Monty Python ever did.
It's not an audio, but the Titan Comics Tenth Doctor Weeping Angels of Mons arc is powerful, with all the characters well written and making the Angels properly scary again. The WWI battlefield is a logical place to find the Angels, and it's played for all the drama it's worth.
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Post by elgranto on Mar 23, 2016 8:05:20 GMT
A lot of the Peri/Erimem stories come to mind: The Eye of the Scorpion, The Church and the Crown, The Council of Nicaea, The Kingmaker, Son of the Dragon... Man, that was a great run for the Fifth Doctor.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2016 8:16:19 GMT
It's not an audio, but the Titan Comics Tenth Doctor Weeping Angels of Mons arc is powerful, with all the characters well written and making the Angels properly scary again. The WWI battlefield is a logical place to find the Angels, and it's played for all the drama it's worth. Actually, just as a point of order, how good has the quality of the Titan Comics run been so far? I loved Scott Grey's run of really unapologetically grim stories for Eleven, but am a bit wary of what I've seen in the Titan stories. The brightly-coloured Chinese dragon/lizard-hybrid rampaging through the House of Commons may have had something to do with it. A lot of the Peri/Erimem stories come to mind: The Eye of the Scorpion, The Church and the Crown, The Council of Nicaea, The Kingmaker, Son of the Dragon... Man, that was a great run for the Fifth Doctor. It's wonderful to think that if you had Five, Peri and Erimem in a historical, it was always guaranteed to be amazing.
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Post by acousticwolf on Mar 23, 2016 8:37:04 GMT
I don't have many historicals but I'd echo the others, Son of the Dragon and Farewell Great Macedon are brilliant stories.
Cheers
Tony
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Post by omega on Mar 23, 2016 8:48:11 GMT
It's not an audio, but the Titan Comics Tenth Doctor Weeping Angels of Mons arc is powerful, with all the characters well written and making the Angels properly scary again. The WWI battlefield is a logical place to find the Angels, and it's played for all the drama it's worth. Actually, just as a point of order, how good has the quality of the Titan Comics run been so far? I loved Scott Grey's run of really unapologetically grim stories for Eleven, but am a bit wary of what I've seen in the Titan stories. The brightly-coloured Chinese dragon/lizard-hybrid rampaging through the House of Commons may have had something to do with it. I can only really speak for the Tenth, Ninth and Eighth Doctor runs. Tenth Doctor probably had its high with Weeping Angels of Mons. The arc concluding Year One (collected in Fountains of Forever) is interesting, but mileage may vary for different people. The Year Two arc is a bit strange in that it's harkening back to that Fountains of Forever arc when Year Two was marketed as a jumping on point. Depending on how the next issue turns out, I may or may not drop this. Ninth Doctor arc Weapons of Mass Destruction is excellent, written by Cavan Scott and featuring Rose and Captain Jack as companions. They're back in their own monthly range soon. If the quality keeps up, I'll definitely be subscribing to this. Eighth Doctor mini-series is decidedly meh, definitely the least impressive of the Titan output. It's five individual stories instead of an arc, which may please people who don't like how comics are written as multi-issue arcs for the trade paper/hard backs nowadays, but there's something off about how the Eighth Doctor is written and drawn and the new companion falls worryingly into generic companion until the big reveal in issue #5. The Four Doctors mini-series is another meh (a meh above Eighth Doctor at least). It's not the worst multi-Doctor story (that dubious honor goes to The Eight Doctors) and it's great if you know your continuity. If the Fourth Doctor mini-series is any good (it's got Sarah Jane and set in Victorian London), I'll be dropping Tenth Doctor because I can't afford three different ranges (as well as the DC stuff I'm reading).
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Post by omega on Mar 23, 2016 8:58:00 GMT
One of the best things about historical settings is how the Doctor is constrained in his actions, limited by the potential consequences of serious interference in the timeline. It forces him to be clever in extricating himself and his companions out of the situation while nullifying any interference to the timestream, either caused by him, his companions or other outside agents. Pure historicals hold further risks because any issues are entirely due to his involvement in events.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 23, 2016 10:11:01 GMT
Actually, just as a point of order, how good has the quality of the Titan Comics run been so far? I loved Scott Grey's run of really unapologetically grim stories for Eleven, but am a bit wary of what I've seen in the Titan stories. The brightly-coloured Chinese dragon/lizard-hybrid rampaging through the House of Commons may have had something to do with it. I can only really speak for the Tenth, Ninth and Eighth Doctor runs. Tenth Doctor probably had its high with Weeping Angels of Mons. The arc concluding Year One (collected in Fountains of Forever) is interesting, but mileage may vary for different people. The Year Two arc is a bit strange in that it's harkening back to that Fountains of Forever arc when Year Two was marketed as a jumping on point. Depending on how the next issue turns out, I may or may not drop this. Ninth Doctor arc Weapons of Mass Destruction is excellent, written by Cavan Scott and featuring Rose and Captain Jack as companions. They're back in their own monthly range soon. If the quality keeps up, I'll definitely be subscribing to this. Eighth Doctor mini-series is decidedly meh, definitely the least impressive of the Titan output. It's five individual stories instead of an arc, which may please people who don't like how comics are written as multi-issue arcs for the trade paper/hard backs nowadays, but there's something off about how the Eighth Doctor is written and drawn and the new companion falls worryingly into generic companion until the big reveal in issue #5. The Four Doctors mini-series is another meh (a meh above Eighth Doctor at least). It's not the worst multi-Doctor story (that dubious honor goes to The Eight Doctors) and it's great if you know your continuity. If the Fourth Doctor mini-series is any good (it's got Sarah Jane and set in Victorian London), I'll be dropping Tenth Doctor because I can't afford three different ranges (as well as the DC stuff I'm reading). I've read the 12th Doctor comics and I'd definitely recommend them. They capture the tone of series 8 and 9 perfectly and feel like a natural extension of 12 and Clara's adventures. The 11th Doctor comics are good too, although the 11th Doctor does have a tendency in them to brood a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2016 11:04:52 GMT
I think I'll give the Twelfth Doctor stories a miss then. To be honest, I tend to go to the comics because they weren't like anything on television at the time. The Fourth Doctor had inimical exploits in an alternate Rome, Fifth Doctor dealt with cosmos-shattering consequences when the Prime Mover accidentally allows Melanicus through into our universe, the Sixth Doctor faced off against the mythic Astrolabus and the haunting, all-consuming eye of Voyager, the Eighth Doctor gets the British television series run he never had, the Eleventh Doctor gets the crap beaten out of him at every opportunity with dystopian evil thrown at him around every corner...
Based on personal experience, the more they stand out against the maxims and limitations of the television series, the more I'll probably like them. If it has the limitless scope of the page, then I often like to see it exploited to its full potential. The latter day Sixth Doctor stories by Alan MacKenzie and the early Seventh Doctor stories suffered because they tried to be small, often to their own detriment (Profits of Doom, Echoes of the Mogor and The Claws of the Klathi being the exceptions, but even then they went against what the series was doing at the time).
I might give the Ninth Doctor stories a bit of a try though because we see so little of him at the moment.
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Post by omega on Mar 23, 2016 11:25:53 GMT
I've created a thread to talk about the Titan comics stuff here. Sorry if there's already a thread on the topic, but the search function isn't exactly functioning (anything I try to search brings up no results, even thread titles on the Recently Updated page!).
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Post by MayoTango131 on Mar 23, 2016 15:11:00 GMT
The historical stories a rare gem in Doctor Who currently, almost a extinct art. "The Doctor's Meditation" is a glorious return but I would have liked to see at least one historical each season.
The Fires of Vulcan: Infinitely better than the overrated "The Fires of Pompeii". Pompeii characters really act like people of the era and not that modern family EastEnders pretending to be Pompeii people.
The Church and the Crown: I like historicals with good humor, like the Romans, and this is his equal.
The Flames of Cadiz: Nobody expected that this story was soo good!!
No Man's Land: It's still the most creepy, disturbing and dark of all Big Finish historicals.
The Wrath of the Iceni: Earlier it was impossible to imagine the Fourth Doctor had a historical adventure and even with drama. If they managed the impossible, then it will be a cinch for New Series Doctors.
Resistance: proof that the historical genre would have worked well in the monster era of the Second Doctor.
The Marian Conspiracy: The historicals stories returned with style and grace, and the best companion introduction of all.
The Peterloo Massacre: Although I will always hate Paul Magrs for what he did to Adric in that abominable scorpions story. I think a good historical, Nyssa is more emotional and less robot here than in their Old Nyssa trilogies, I think it's the first time since "Spare Parts" that I hear Nyssa angry and sad.
Although not an audio, "They Think It's All Over " is the comic that proves that the historical stories can work in the new series.
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Post by jasonward on Mar 23, 2016 15:35:34 GMT
Not a fan of historicals, I find the characters are either just by standers or hostage to the events, up until the Peterloo Massacre I'd always found them boring and sometimes too contrived (in terms of getting the characters to the locations the historical demands). However I didn't find this the case with Peterloo Massacre, the Tardis team seemed to react and interact with events and people just the way they would, only The Doctor feels any constraints on his actions, but even then it seems he's more frustrated by his inability to act rather being a pedant about how he shouldn't act.
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Post by Hieronymus on Mar 24, 2016 1:46:08 GMT
I don't consider a story to be "historical" solely because it is set in the past. If an alien menace gets most of the plot, then it's not "historical" in my book. That being said, my faves are: - The Doctor's Tale
- The Marian Conspiracy
- The Settling
- Other Lives
Also, let me point out that many of the favorites people have listed before me are titles which I have yet to listen to. So don't judge me.
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