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Post by themeddlingmonk on Jan 31, 2020 1:01:39 GMT
This is my timeline for Eight and Charley solo. It’s always the difficult one to make sense of because Lucie only has a few short trips and everything else is release order except the Further Adventures which has a very obvious placement and then Molly, Liv, Helen and Bliss are all completely release order.
Storm Warning The Doctor meets Charley on the R101 and takes her on as his companion.
Sword of Orions
Repercussions Charley is reading up on Future Earth History at the beginning of the story, which the Doctor suggested she do following the recent events of Sword of Orion. The Doctor and Charley have been together for a matter of days.
The Stones of Venice
Minuet in Hell The Doctor and Charley release Ramsay back into the vortex immediately after leaving Venice which leads to them crashlanding in Malebolgia. Charley discovers what a TV is.
A Good Life Charley is covered in bruises and has a black eye, so maybe right after Minuet in Hell?
Best Seller Charley is uncomfortable wearing revealing clothes, so it’s probably earlier in her travels while she still has her Edwardian sensibilities. It’s after Minuet in Hell though because she watches TV.
Be Good For Goodness Sake Charley seems more interested in going to a disco with people her age than spending time with the Doctor, so it’s probably quite early on.
War in a Time of Peace Charley visits Prague for the first time.
The Man Who Wasn’t There Charley learns about the TARDIS translation circuits for the first time. It feels generally early on.
Invaders from Mars The Doctor and Charley are trying to get to Singapore.
The Chimes of Midnight Charley still wants to get to Singapore, but the Doctor decides to stop actively trying to get there, because the TARDIS is avoiding it and he says they’ll end up there eventually. Charley begins to suspect that she was supposed to die on the R101, but the Doctor evades her questions.
Living Legend Apparently this is where Gary Russell said it was supposed to go.
The Light at the End Nick Briggs said that this is supposed to go somewhere during the second series. The Doctor tries to give the TARDIS an overhaul, perhaps due to their trouble getting to Singapore. Charley eventually says that she doesn’t mind if they don’t always get to where they want to go and this feels early on for her. Charley doesn’t know about regeneration, but does know about the TARDIS translation circuits, setting this after The Man Who Wasn’t There.
Seasons of Fear The Doctor and Charley finally get to Singapore after six attempts. One of which was chronicled in Invaders from Mars, and then the final, successful attempt here. Charley is now convinced, especially following her encounter with Edith Thompson, that she was supposed to die and it is causing issues with time, and the Doctor finally admits to her that this may be the case.
Venus Its been a long time since Storm Warning.
The Heroine, The Hero and the Megalomaniac Seasons of Fear is mentioned.
Lady of the Snows Seasons of Fear is mentioned and Charley visits Prague, setting this after War in a Time of Peace.
You Had Me At Verify User Name and Password One of the characters have already met the Doctor and Charley on several other occasions, so this is probably set at least a fair bit into their travels so that they could have met this person a few times before. Otherwise it’s just in release order for Short Trips.
They Fell Pretty arbitrary to be honest, I’ve just stuck it in release order with the other Short Trips, it can go anywhere really.
Faithful Friends: Part 3 Charley has already met the Brigadier, so it’s at some point after Minuet in Hell, but otherwise Short Trips release order.
Second Chances Short Trips release order.
Letting Go Charley is pretty much head over heels for the Doctor at this point and has been with him for a few weeks so I think this makes most sense after Seasons of Fear. Although she only mentions Storm Warning and Sword of Orion.
Embrace the Darkness The Doctor and Charley notice a flotilla of Battle TARDISes in the vortex, which they later discover were coming after them specifically. I wouldn’t want to have this too far away from Neverland, but it’s up to the individual.
Solitaire The events of Embrace the Darkness are referenced.
Enemy Aliens Charley knows that she was supposed to die on the R101 and that it’s had an effect on the web of Time, and she’s also quite madly in love with the Doctor, so it’s after Seasons of Fear and quite late in their travels.
The Hall of Ten Thousand Charley is pretty much used to all the weird stuff that comes with travelling with the Doctor, so I put it later on.
The Time of the Daleks After defeating the Daleks, The Doctor and Charley need to take a young William Shakespeare back to his own time.
Apocrypha Bipedium The Doctor and Charley take William Shakespeare home, setting this immediately after The Time of the Daleks.
Foreshadowing The Doctor and Charley have just taken Shakespeare home.
Neverland The Doctor and Charley are still discussing the events of The Time of the Daleks, so not that much time has passed. They’ve been travelling together for sixth months by this point and it is Charley's nineteenth birthday.
Zagreus Set Immediately after Neverland.
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Post by xlozdob on Jan 31, 2020 1:21:39 GMT
Brilliant! Thank you! It's always nice to have people like you guys to make sense of everything. I've actually been trying to place his STs this evening in my chronology, and the list in Bradley's Basement is incomplete, so this is much appreciated.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Jan 31, 2020 1:30:31 GMT
Brilliant! Thank you! It's always nice to have people like you guys to make sense of everything. I've actually been trying to place his STs this evening in my chronology, and the list in Bradley's Basement is incomplete, so this is much appreciated. No problem, it was something that was bugging me for a while too so I decided to get the research done and try to put them in order as best as I could. Also I think there’s another Short Trip called The Adaptation of Death, but Charley claims to have been travelling with the Doctor for years in it, so it might be best placed during the late C’rizz era or something, with the assumption that C’rizz is just elsewhere during that story.
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Post by theillusiveman on Apr 7, 2020 14:22:36 GMT
Wonder if he will add RTD's And The Time War story into the chronology it is probarly another timeline but still
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Post by Tim Bradley on Apr 7, 2020 19:17:16 GMT
Wonder if he will add RTD's And The Time War story into the chronology it is probarly another timeline but still I can add 'Doctor Who and the Time War' yes. I'll get onto it as soon as I can. Tim.
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Post by theillusiveman on Apr 11, 2020 10:44:44 GMT
Wonder if he will add RTD's And The Time War story into the chronology it is probarly another timeline but still I can add 'Doctor Who and the Time War' yes. I'll get onto it as soon as I can. Tim. Thanks Dude
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Post by sherlock on Oct 14, 2020 9:48:33 GMT
So He Kills Me, He Kills Me NotThe only acknowledgement of the supposed Time War setting is the theme tune. The Doctor makes no acknowledgement of it. The TARDIS interior sounds like the TV Movie one, but given the inconsistency of Big Finish on it that’s basically worthless timeline wise. The Doctor is wearing a blue variant of his final outfit on the cover, so it’s definitely near the end of his life. {Minor Spoiler for The Knight, The Fool, The Dead} I think the Third Interlude takes place during He Kills Me, He Kills Me Not. Specifically towards the start, when the Eighth Doctor is travelling to Moslin.
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Post by sherlock on Oct 24, 2020 17:02:36 GMT
The Eighth Doctor features in Comic Creator’s Tales of the Dark Times Episode 3. James Goss has helpfully just confirmed where those stories fit-
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Post by sherlock on Nov 11, 2020 11:07:48 GMT
So He Kills Me, He Kills Me NotThe only acknowledgement of the supposed Time War setting is the theme tune. The Doctor makes no acknowledgement of it. The TARDIS interior sounds like the TV Movie one, but given the inconsistency of Big Finish on it that’s basically worthless timeline wise. The Doctor is wearing a blue variant of his final outfit on the cover, so it’s definitely near the end of his life. {Minor Spoiler for The Knight, The Fool, The Dead} I think the Third Interlude takes place during He Kills Me, He Kills Me Not. Specifically towards the start, when the Eighth Doctor is travelling to Moslin. Ditto The Enemy of My Enemy. No mention of the Time War anywhere to be found. Honestly suspecting TLV might belong before the War kicks off, despite the official intent.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Nov 11, 2020 11:18:20 GMT
So He Kills Me, He Kills Me NotThe only acknowledgement of the supposed Time War setting is the theme tune. The Doctor makes no acknowledgement of it. The TARDIS interior sounds like the TV Movie one, but given the inconsistency of Big Finish on it that’s basically worthless timeline wise. The Doctor is wearing a blue variant of his final outfit on the cover, so it’s definitely near the end of his life. {Minor Spoiler for The Knight, The Fool, The Dead} I think the Third Interlude takes place during He Kills Me, He Kills Me Not. Specifically towards the start, when the Eighth Doctor is travelling to Moslin. Ditto The Enemy of My Enemy. No mention of the Time War anywhere to be found. Honestly suspecting TLV might belong before the War kicks off, despite the official intent. I agree, unless it turns out the Time War has been wiped due to the time alterations. In fact, I think if we make it through these last two releases with no mention of the Time War, I’d happily believe that the Time War setting suggested in that article was merely a mistake.
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Post by nitronine on Nov 11, 2020 11:39:32 GMT
Ditto The Enemy of My Enemy. No mention of the Time War anywhere to be found. Honestly suspecting TLV might belong before the War kicks off, despite the official intent. I agree, unless it turns out the Time War has been wiped due to the time alterations. In fact, I think if we make it through these last two releases with no mention of the Time War, I’d happily believe that the Time War setting suggested in that article was merely a mistake. Until the time war is mentioned I think a good place to put TLV for the 8th Doctor is just before the Titan comics as the War is probably looming but hasn’t fully started yet.
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 11, 2020 16:25:15 GMT
I'm not 100% sure what I think at the moment without there being any specific mentions.
I am curious that all of the Daleks are completely new variants and it's not a fleet of bronze / gold Time War era Daleks headed by some funky new designs. To me this implies that it could potentially be a case of the Time War being wiped and that these style Daleks are the alternative from the timeline meddling. Alternatively, it could be that the Dalek Time Squad is pretty sizeable to have its own army of blue and silver Drones and they're an addition to the billions of bronze / gold Time War era Daleks and their many variants!
I know the covers for The Hollow Planet, A Dalek Awakens & Genetics of the Daleks have a Time War style Dalek on the cover, but it should actually be the blue and silver Dalek Drone, as per The Last Message (Figurine Collection short story), unless I am mistaken. The two Escape Rooms weren't originally planned to be TLV linked, so I think there's just been a communication issue and Big Finish have used the Dalek variant from A Dalek Awakens on their Genetics cover.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Nov 11, 2020 16:30:49 GMT
I'm not 100% sure what I think at the moment without there being any specific mentions. I am curious that all of the Daleks are completely new variants and it's not a fleet of bronze / gold Time War era Daleks headed by some funky new designs. To me this implies that it could potentially be a case of the Time War being wiped and that these style Daleks are the alternative from the timeline meddling. Alternatively, it could be that the Dalek Time Squad is pretty sizeable to have its own army of blue and silver Drones and they're an addition to the billions of bronze / gold Time War era Daleks and their many variants! I know the covers for The Hollow Planet, A Dalek Awakens & Genetics of the Daleks have a Time War style Dalek on the cover, but it should actually be the blue and silver Dalek Drone, as per The Last Message (Figurine Collection short story), unless I am mistaken. The two Escape Rooms weren't originally planned to be TLV linked, so I think there's just been a communication issue and Big Finish have used the Dalek variant from A Dalek Awakens on their Genetics cover. The short stories and stuff that came with the Eaglemoss releases actually revealed that these Daleks specifically come from a time between Remembrance of the Daleks and The Time War. I believe the Dalek Emperor that appears in Defender of the Daleks was a member of the Dalek Council who took over after Davros fled in Remembrance. So the Daleks themselves are definitely pre-War as it turns out. That doesn’t tell us a whole lot about where it takes place for Eight though, considering he is working with the Time Squad.
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Post by sherlock on Nov 11, 2020 16:43:11 GMT
I'm not 100% sure what I think at the moment without there being any specific mentions. I am curious that all of the Daleks are completely new variants and it's not a fleet of bronze / gold Time War era Daleks headed by some funky new designs. To me this implies that it could potentially be a case of the Time War being wiped and that these style Daleks are the alternative from the timeline meddling. Alternatively, it could be that the Dalek Time Squad is pretty sizeable to have its own army of blue and silver Drones and they're an addition to the billions of bronze / gold Time War era Daleks and their many variants! I know the covers for The Hollow Planet, A Dalek Awakens & Genetics of the Daleks have a Time War style Dalek on the cover, but it should actually be the blue and silver Dalek Drone, as per The Last Message (Figurine Collection short story), unless I am mistaken. The two Escape Rooms weren't originally planned to be TLV linked, so I think there's just been a communication issue and Big Finish have used the Dalek variant from A Dalek Awakens on their Genetics cover. The short stories and stuff that came with the Eaglemoss releases actually revealed that these Daleks specifically come from a time between Remembrance of the Daleks and The Time War. I believe the Dalek Emperor that appears in Defender of the Daleks was a member of the Dalek Council who took over after Davros fled in Remembrance. So the Daleks themselves are definitely pre-War as it turns out. That doesn’t tell us a whole lot about where it takes place for Eight though, considering he is working with the Time Squad. I wonder if what’s happened is the “Restoration Empire” (as I believe the post- Remembrance Daleks are now coined) no longer fought the Time War due to time being messed around by Ten going rogue in the Dark Times. With no Time War, they persisted into Ten’s era so when they capture young Ten in Defender, he’s their contemporary Doctor. They then travel back in time to recruit Eight. At the moment I think latter day Eight is organised as - -Titan’s Eighth Doctor -TLV -Actual start of the Time War -Big Finish’s Eighth Doctor: Time War During the first two bullet points tensions may be rising in the background, so impacting Eight’s mindset somewhat, but no actual war tearing apart reality yet.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Nov 11, 2020 16:53:31 GMT
The short stories and stuff that came with the Eaglemoss releases actually revealed that these Daleks specifically come from a time between Remembrance of the Daleks and The Time War. I believe the Dalek Emperor that appears in Defender of the Daleks was a member of the Dalek Council who took over after Davros fled in Remembrance. So the Daleks themselves are definitely pre-War as it turns out. That doesn’t tell us a whole lot about where it takes place for Eight though, considering he is working with the Time Squad. I wonder if what’s happened is the “Restoration Empire” (as I believe the post- Remembrance Daleks are now coined) no longer fought the Time War due to time being messed around by Ten going rogue in the Dark Times. With no Time War, they persisted into Ten’s era so when they capture young Ten in Defender, he’s their contemporary Doctor. They then travel back in time to recruit Eight. At the moment I think latter day Eight is organised as - -Titan’s Eighth Doctor -TLV -Actual start of the Time War -Big Finish’s Eighth Doctor: Time War During the first two bullet points tensions may be rising in the background, so impacting Eight’s mindset somewhat, but no actual war tearing apart reality yet. Although, Ten ends up where he does in Defender of the Daleks due to a paradox caused by his meetings with the Thirteenth Doctor. The Daleks find him and recruit him, but when he’s rescued and leaves they default to using Eight as a backup instead, which could potentially suggest that Eight is their contemporary but they tried Ten first because he turned up in one of the time distortions.
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 11, 2020 17:41:47 GMT
I'm not 100% sure what I think at the moment without there being any specific mentions. I am curious that all of the Daleks are completely new variants and it's not a fleet of bronze / gold Time War era Daleks headed by some funky new designs. To me this implies that it could potentially be a case of the Time War being wiped and that these style Daleks are the alternative from the timeline meddling. Alternatively, it could be that the Dalek Time Squad is pretty sizeable to have its own army of blue and silver Drones and they're an addition to the billions of bronze / gold Time War era Daleks and their many variants! I know the covers for The Hollow Planet, A Dalek Awakens & Genetics of the Daleks have a Time War style Dalek on the cover, but it should actually be the blue and silver Dalek Drone, as per The Last Message (Figurine Collection short story), unless I am mistaken. The two Escape Rooms weren't originally planned to be TLV linked, so I think there's just been a communication issue and Big Finish have used the Dalek variant from A Dalek Awakens on their Genetics cover. The short stories and stuff that came with the Eaglemoss releases actually revealed that these Daleks specifically come from a time between Remembrance of the Daleks and The Time War. I believe the Dalek Emperor that appears in Defender of the Daleks was a member of the Dalek Council who took over after Davros fled in Remembrance. So the Daleks themselves are definitely pre-War as it turns out. That doesn’t tell us a whole lot about where it takes place for Eight though, considering he is working with the Time Squad. Oh really? Is that in the first issue? I’ve only read the short story, to be honest. Not had the chance to read through the other material in there and not got the second figurine set yet.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Nov 11, 2020 18:08:39 GMT
The short stories and stuff that came with the Eaglemoss releases actually revealed that these Daleks specifically come from a time between Remembrance of the Daleks and The Time War. I believe the Dalek Emperor that appears in Defender of the Daleks was a member of the Dalek Council who took over after Davros fled in Remembrance. So the Daleks themselves are definitely pre-War as it turns out. That doesn’t tell us a whole lot about where it takes place for Eight though, considering he is working with the Time Squad. Oh really? Is that in the first issue? I’ve only read the short story, to be honest. Not had the chance to read through the other material in there and not got the second figurine set yet. It’s in the set with the Golden Emperor. There’s a section that pretty much breaks down all the individual Dalek Emperors and it basically said that it goes: Evil Emperor > Davros > TLV Golden Emperor > Parting of the Ways Emperor. And there’s a profile for each where it explains the origins of the TLV emperor. And I think it’s also mentioned either there or in another thing that the Daleks are basically beginning to plan the Time War.
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Post by sherlock on Nov 11, 2020 18:18:39 GMT
Oh really? Is that in the first issue? I’ve only read the short story, to be honest. Not had the chance to read through the other material in there and not got the second figurine set yet. It’s in the set with the Golden Emperor. There’s a section that pretty much breaks down all the individual Dalek Emperors and it basically said that it goes: Evil Emperor > Davros > TLV Golden Emperor > Parting of the Ways Emperor. And there’s a profile for each where it explains the origins of the TLV emperor. And I think it’s also mentioned either there or in another thing that the Daleks are basically beginning to plan the Time War. The chaos that section has wrought on the TARDIS Wiki pages about the Dalek Emperor has been quite something. I’m not entirely sure why but some editors are really married to the idea of the Dalek Emperor only ever being the same Dalek so now a bizarre compromise has had to be reached to make a separate page to cover the fact that there are disagreements about who is the Emperor during the Time War.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Nov 11, 2020 18:34:46 GMT
It’s in the set with the Golden Emperor. There’s a section that pretty much breaks down all the individual Dalek Emperors and it basically said that it goes: Evil Emperor > Davros > TLV Golden Emperor > Parting of the Ways Emperor. And there’s a profile for each where it explains the origins of the TLV emperor. And I think it’s also mentioned either there or in another thing that the Daleks are basically beginning to plan the Time War. The chaos that section has wrought on the TARDIS Wiki pages about the Dalek Emperor has been quite something. I’m not entirely sure why but some editors are really married to the idea of the Dalek Emperor only ever being the same Dalek so now a bizarre compromise has had to be reached to make a separate page to cover the fact that there are disagreements about who is the Emperor during the Time War. Yeah it’s annoying. I mean they’re right in saying that the Dalek Prime is the Evil Emperor, but saying that the New Who Emperor is the same character is a bit of a corruption by way of connecting various conflicting accounts to suggest they’re all the same when in reality they’re not really supposed to be.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Dec 9, 2020 15:47:00 GMT
Mutually Assured Destruction really doesn’t give anything away as to whether this is during the Time War or not. But honestly I feel like there’s so many Time War parallels in these stories that the only way you can really justify the Doctor never alluding to the War would be if the War hasn’t happened yet. But we’ve still got two releases to go, so maybe we’ll be told differently in All Flesh is Grass or Echoes of Extinction, but until then I’d prefer to believe that this all happens before the Time War and after Stranded. {Mutually Assured Destruction } The Doctor does pick up a new companion at the end of this story called Tiska, played by Samantha Beart. She leaves with him in the TARDIS at the end and the Doctor pretty much proposes that they have adventures together until they can find her a place to settle down. So it’s kind of left open ended in the sense that she could go on to permanently travel with him, or she could have left immediately after that. I doubt we’ll see her again though, because if BF introduce a new companion it’s usually planned, announced and structured well ahead of time, rather than chucked at the very end of a series with no obvious plans for a continuation. But who knows.
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