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Post by relativetime on Apr 7, 2016 5:34:28 GMT
I don't really like Rose Tyler. Like, at all. I thought she was fine - even great at moments - more or less in the first series, but she became insufferable during Series 2. I also REALLY dislike what the writers did to Martha's character in Series 3, where it felt like she was being written more as Rose's replacement rather than a companion in her own right.
I've always thought Moffat was a better showrrunner than RTD, though both certainly have their share of problems in my opinion. Really, I acknowledge this opinion isn't all that controversial seeing as under Moffat the show has reached new levels of popularity around the world, but it often feels like an unpopular opinion to have amongst other hardcore fans.
I was never really that bothered by Adric in the television show, to be honest. He never really resonated with me and he had his fair share of dumb moments, but nothing really "horrible."
I wasn't all that impressed with Series 9 and I ultimately found Series 8 to be a lot more enjoyable. Heaven Sent was absolutely FANTASTIC - easily one of the best, if not THE best stories in NuWho - but besides Face The Raven and the Witch's Familiar, I thought the season was just good, not the best.
I cannot STAND John Simm's portrayal of the Master. I would almost go as far as to say I refuse to believe that he's the same Master from the rest of the show. At the same time, however, I don't blame Simm for how the character turned out and I hear he didn't get to play the character as he originally wanted to. I hope Big Finish can one day work their magic and give him the proper stories he deserves.
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I generally strongly disliked Clara. She annoyed me regularly; seemed to be obnoxiously self-satisfied in a chipper way, and spent season 8 treating an alien with a time machine like a taxi service. Moreover, I couldn't stand how Moffat had to write the Doctor as essentially obsessed with her by the end. Hated the efforts to make her some kind of extra special super-companion. What I'd have preferred to see is her having been a different and limited character: that he first encounters her in Asylum, picks up and travels with 18th century Clara, and eventually she is captured by the daleks and turned into a mutant as part of their experiments.... the "Clara" from Asylum. I mean, Moffat killed her anyway, so this wouldn't exactly be that much more bitter. I would have found it a lot more satisfying than contriving a "mystery girl" because he just has to have a season arc, then having the Doctor pining after her despite the fact that she had to be the least respectful companion yet. This would have also meant that the return of Gallifrey would have been about Gallifrey, not bloody Clara. You're not the only one. It's strange, but for me the Moffat era has this strange adherence to formula while still trying to innovate, so you get inventive and unique ideas with very humdrum executions or stories that are simply abandoned completely. How that affected Clara was that they had this really interesting eighteenth-century version of her lined up, ready to go, until someone came breezing through the office and said: "No, the companion has to be from the modern day." Ian and Barbara were from the modern day, Jo Grant was from the modern day, hell Brigadier Bambera was from the modern day and I feel more of a connection with them than I do with the sociopathic, smug and selfish woman who the Doctor eventually became utterly fixated on (much to the character's detriment actually). I remember coming away from Dark Water thinking that their relationship had crossed the line into genuinely abusive, especially by the time of his regeneration where they went into that weird: "I'm not your boyfriend" area. Any incarnation of the Doctor would have put their foot down long before then, in fact the slap in Into the Dalek would have put her immediately off the ship, no question. Jenna Coleman is a fine actress, but the character she was saddled with was just a genuinely awful human being. While I have issues with Clara's characterisations, I really don't see Clara as sociopathiac. or even that awful . I do think she was ingrained with some negative characrteristics which just won't implemented that well in series eight after the criticism of 'perfect one-dimensional' Clara by some fans, but even in that, I find her to be a realistic human being. I never found Clara to be the 'gamekeeper' or even overally pushy despite Stephen Moffatt's attempt to frame her as such - just someone who liked to tease a friend, maybe a little too far (although Clara's remarks never felt that out of the ordinary for me) but be there for to support them come high water. Moffatt was trying to go for a different dynamic with Clara and Twelve. Some people, even with all of time and space, wouldn't want to abandon their lives enterily for that chance, exspecially someone like Clara who was in her mid-twenties and had finished her degree. While I do think this dynamic did often stop-start the narrative terriblydrag, is the way Clara traveled with The Doctor any different then a night out with your friends? Most people won't give up their lives just to have fun with their friends. As for the resturants, TV showxs, etc- we all sometimes take our friends too much for granted. And I think that was a fair trade off for Clara helping The Doctor through a very troubled regeneration. I don't think The Doctor wants his companions to 'respect' him all that much. He wants to have someone fun to travel the universe with. Except for maybe looking out for that monster of the week. I found most of Clara and Twelve's interacons be actually quite playful and realistic for two friends. If anything, Twelve was the one shown to need to respect Clara - getting uppity and iffy about her boyfriend (yes, I get The Doctor was lonely and searching for Galifery , but still) and dumping her with the fate of the world. Clara didn't know what she wanted. She was settling into her working life and here comes this guy, this nice guy, the guy you might settle down with and have kids with. Oh, we might just do. But, she also had this life of adventure, of adrelien, of the unknown at her finger tips and she was trying to reconcile both. She handled poorly, but it was understandable. I think Clara wasn't ready for Danny and that level of commitment. I think having an escape really messed her up. Was her lying to Danny acceptable? God, no. But, I don't see that as a mark of a irredemeable human being. As for her actions with the TARDIS key...she was grief-stricken. Messed up. To her mind in that moment, she' hadspent all this time with this friend which she could have with a boyfriend, a friend who she felt often took her for granted and who often did. Who she died for once and risked her life for on countless occassions. And she knows he won't save her boyfriend because of stupid laws of time. And her actions didn't come from nowhere: I do think Twelve took Clara for granted. He didn't really communicate how grateful he was for her to be there for him. That was a spark all-too ready to ignitein the face of Danny's death. If Twelve had shown his appreciation earlier, I think Clara wouldn't have done what she'd did and he'd taken her off somewhere tranquil in the TARDIS. It's bad, but I can see the grief-stricken logic and I don't think Clara is a horrible person because of it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2016 7:19:41 GMT
You're not the only one. It's strange, but for me the Moffat era has this strange adherence to formula while still trying to innovate, so you get inventive and unique ideas with very humdrum executions or stories that are simply abandoned completely. How that affected Clara was that they had this really interesting eighteenth-century version of her lined up, ready to go, until someone came breezing through the office and said: "No, the companion has to be from the modern day." Ian and Barbara were from the modern day, Jo Grant was from the modern day, hell Brigadier Bambera was from the modern day and I feel more of a connection with them than I do with the sociopathic, smug and selfish woman who the Doctor eventually became utterly fixated on (much to the character's detriment actually). I remember coming away from Dark Water thinking that their relationship had crossed the line into genuinely abusive, especially by the time of his regeneration where they went into that weird: "I'm not your boyfriend" area. Any incarnation of the Doctor would have put their foot down long before then, in fact the slap in Into the Dalek would have put her immediately off the ship, no question. Jenna Coleman is a fine actress, but the character she was saddled with was just a genuinely awful human being. While I have issues with Clara's characterisations, I really don't see Clara as sociopathiac. or even that awful . I do think she was ingrained with some negative characrteristics which just won't implemented that well in series eight after the criticism of 'perfect one-dimensional' Clara by some fans, but even in that, I find her to be a realistic human being. I never found Clara to be the 'gamekeeper' or even overally pushy despite Stephen Moffatt's attempt to frame her as such - just someone who liked to tease a friend, maybe a little too far (although Clara's remarks never felt that out of the ordinary for me) but be there for to support them come high water. Moffatt was trying to go for a different dynamic with Clara and Twelve. Some people, even with all of time and space, wouldn't want to abandon their lives enterily for that chance, exspecially someone like Clara who was in her mid-twenties and had finished her degree. While I do think this dynamic did often stop-start the narrative terriblydrag, is the way Clara traveled with The Doctor any different then a night out with your friends? Most people won't give up their lives just to have fun with their friends. As for the resturants, TV showxs, etc- we all sometimes take our friends too much for granted. And I think that was a fair trade off for Clara helping The Doctor through a very troubled regeneration. I don't think The Doctor wants his companions to 'respect' him all that much. He wants to have someone fun to travel the universe with. Except for maybe looking out for that monster of the week. I found most of Clara and Twelve's interacons be actually quite playful and realistic for two friends. If anything, Twelve was the one shown to need to respect Clara - getting uppity and iffy about her boyfriend (yes, I get The Doctor was lonely and searching for Galifery , but still) and dumping her with the fate of the world. Clara didn't know what she wanted. She was settling into her working life and here comes this guy, this nice guy, the guy you might settle down with and have kids with. Oh, we might just do. But, she also had this life of adventure, of adrelien, of the unknown at her finger tips and she was trying to reconcile both. She handled poorly, but it was understandable. I think Clara wasn't ready for Danny and that level of commitment. I think having an escape really messed her up. Was her lying to Danny acceptable? God, no. But, I don't see that as a mark of a irredemeable human being. As for her actions with the TARDIS key...she was grief-stricken. Messed up. To her mind in that moment, she' hadspent all this time with this friend which she could have with a boyfriend, a friend who she felt often took her for granted and who often did. Who she died for once and risked her life for on countless occassions. And she knows he won't save her boyfriend because of stupid laws of time. And her actions didn't come from nowhere: I do think Twelve took Clara for granted. He didn't really communicate how grateful he was for her to be there for him. That was a spark all-too ready to ignitein the face of Danny's death. If Twelve had shown his appreciation earlier, I think Clara wouldn't have done what she'd did and he'd taken her off somewhere tranquil in the TARDIS. It's bad, but I can see the grief-stricken logic and I don't think Clara is a horrible person because of it. Ironically, it wasn't the TARDIS key incident that really had me thinking that she was contemptible, it was her reaction afterwards with Danny trapped in the Matrix splinter where she kept going: "Please don't do this to me," and placing the blame on him. I actually think that moment where she took matters into her own hands was a high point of her character. If we'd had more of that kind of Clara, I'd have a better opinion of the character. It's a bit more metatextual, the part I found really, really grating (and at times sociopathic) was when the series wanted to condone her actions almost at every turn. Her charm got turned on and off at a switch and showed a lack of remorse or reaction in many other areas where most normal people would. Having known actual sociopaths that is very pattern-specific behaviour. But that's if you integrate all her behaviour together into one character, ultimately I think that she was just Mary Sueish and very poorly written. She was Super Special Awesome, but really we don't really know anything about Clara. What does she like? What does she dislike? What are her flaws? What does she excel at? Does it all stay consistent from story-to-story? Clara isn't a lot of things, so much so that once you put her to the screen the "isn't" is virtually all she is. She suffers from being like Bella from Twilight, someone who is so empty as an audience surrogate that she more or less becomes a cipher. TV!Peri suffered from this on and off when almost all self-assertive characterisation from Planet of Fire was jettisoned in favour of her "damsel in distress" aspect in The Caves of Androzani.Clara needed more substance to her. She's the Dodo of NuWho.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Apr 7, 2016 16:10:18 GMT
Now, I'm not going to discuss individual actors performances, I don't have enough time. The writing in NuWho is abysmal. Moffat is just as bad as RTD. You have Amy giving birth, and almost immediately she "loses" her, and she does nothing! Wouldn't any normal Mother, and Father go in search of her? How ridiculous is the Doctor being taken out of existence, only for Amy to, somehow, remember a person that never existed? The Doctor doesn't give a second thought of Rory committing suicide, but when Amy wants to do it also, he gets all emotional. I can't stand River, and her "spoiler" announcements, but its Moffat that put the lines of dialogue in her mouth about the TARDIS handbrake always being on, even though, The Master, and Romana have also apparently left the handbrake on, too! Rose interferes with the timeline in Fathers Day, and gets off scot free, yet in the previous episode Adam is chastised. The Sonic Screwdriver was vastly over used by RTD, and we get a short reprise, but then Capaldi has those awful Sonic Sunglasses take their place. Just stop using any Sonic devices, it makes it far too easy for the writers. Extremely unhappy with the gender regeneration that Moffat is desperate to ram down out throats.
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While I have issues with Clara's characterisations, I really don't see Clara as sociopathiac. or even that awful . I do think she was ingrained with some negative characrteristics which just won't implemented that well in series eight after the criticism of 'perfect one-dimensional' Clara by some fans, but even in that, I find her to be a realistic human being. I never found Clara to be the 'gamekeeper' or even overally pushy despite Stephen Moffatt's attempt to frame her as such - just someone who liked to tease a friend, maybe a little too far (although Clara's remarks never felt that out of the ordinary for me) but be there for to support them come high water. Moffatt was trying to go for a different dynamic with Clara and Twelve. Some people, even with all of time and space, wouldn't want to abandon their lives enterily for that chance, exspecially someone like Clara who was in her mid-twenties and had finished her degree. While I do think this dynamic did often stop-start the narrative terriblydrag, is the way Clara traveled with The Doctor any different then a night out with your friends? Most people won't give up their lives just to have fun with their friends. As for the resturants, TV showxs, etc- we all sometimes take our friends too much for granted. And I think that was a fair trade off for Clara helping The Doctor through a very troubled regeneration. I don't think The Doctor wants his companions to 'respect' him all that much. He wants to have someone fun to travel the universe with. Except for maybe looking out for that monster of the week. I found most of Clara and Twelve's interacons be actually quite playful and realistic for two friends. If anything, Twelve was the one shown to need to respect Clara - getting uppity and iffy about her boyfriend (yes, I get The Doctor was lonely and searching for Galifery , but still) and dumping her with the fate of the world. Clara didn't know what she wanted. She was settling into her working life and here comes this guy, this nice guy, the guy you might settle down with and have kids with. Oh, we might just do. But, she also had this life of adventure, of adrelien, of the unknown at her finger tips and she was trying to reconcile both. She handled poorly, but it was understandable. I think Clara wasn't ready for Danny and that level of commitment. I think having an escape really messed her up. Was her lying to Danny acceptable? God, no. But, I don't see that as a mark of a irredemeable human being. As for her actions with the TARDIS key...she was grief-stricken. Messed up. To her mind in that moment, she' hadspent all this time with this friend which she could have with a boyfriend, a friend who she felt often took her for granted and who often did. Who she died for once and risked her life for on countless occassions. And she knows he won't save her boyfriend because of stupid laws of time. And her actions didn't come from nowhere: I do think Twelve took Clara for granted. He didn't really communicate how grateful he was for her to be there for him. That was a spark all-too ready to ignitein the face of Danny's death. If Twelve had shown his appreciation earlier, I think Clara wouldn't have done what she'd did and he'd taken her off somewhere tranquil in the TARDIS. It's bad, but I can see the grief-stricken logic and I don't think Clara is a horrible person because of it. Ironically, it wasn't the TARDIS key incident that really had me thinking that she was contemptible, it was her reaction afterwards with Danny trapped in the Matrix splinter where she kept going: "Please don't do this to me," and placing the blame on him. I actually think that moment where she took matters into her own hands was a high point of her character. If we'd had more of that kind of Clara, I'd have a better opinion of the character. It's a bit more metatextual, the part I found really, really grating (and at times sociopathic) was when the series wanted to condone her actions almost at every turn. Her charm got turned on and off at a switch and showed a lack of remorse or reaction in many other areas where most normal people would. Having known actual sociopaths that is very pattern-specific behaviour. But that's if you integrate all her behaviour together into one character, ultimately I think that she was just Mary Sueish and very poorly written. She was Super Special Awesome, but really we don't really know anything about Clara. What does she like? What does she dislike? What are her flaws? What does she excel at? Does it all stay consistent from story-to-story? Clara isn't a lot of things, so much so that once you put her to the screen the "isn't" is virtually all she is. She suffers from being like Bella from Twilight, someone who is so empty as an audience surrogate that she more or less becomes a cipher. TV!Peri suffered from this on and off when almost all self-assertive characterisation from Planet of Fire was jettisoned in favour of her "damsel in distress" aspect in The Caves of Androzani.Clara needed more substance to her. She's the Dodo of NuWho. I don't understand how that makes Clara contempitable. Clara is used to seeing the dark of the universe time and time again. She has seen evil and what it does. The 4WD could (and was) a threat. I don't think she put it all on him - she was rightfully wary and put on guard by The Doctor, struggling through grief and wasn't going to let some bastard use the memory of her recently deceased boyfriend agasint her. She was skeptical, 'Danny' wasn't giving her the right answers and she was laid down by grief and not thinking clearly and I think someone even in a better frame of mind would be skeptical. I'll disagree with you strongly that any of Clara's actions were sociopathic. To me, they defiently weren't. I also think it's important to remember that Clara has been waylaid with responsibility for sometime - kids with grieving parents sometimes do have to grow up faster - and she had helped to look after Angie and Artie for a year. She was also still mourning Eleven. As I said before, I don't think Clara was ready for Danny and all of this and a ready exit factored into the mistakes she made.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 0:33:04 GMT
Ironically, it wasn't the TARDIS key incident that really had me thinking that she was contemptible, it was her reaction afterwards with Danny trapped in the Matrix splinter where she kept going: "Please don't do this to me," and placing the blame on him. I actually think that moment where she took matters into her own hands was a high point of her character. If we'd had more of that kind of Clara, I'd have a better opinion of the character. It's a bit more metatextual, the part I found really, really grating (and at times sociopathic) was when the series wanted to condone her actions almost at every turn. Her charm got turned on and off at a switch and showed a lack of remorse or reaction in many other areas where most normal people would. Having known actual sociopaths that is very pattern-specific behaviour. But that's if you integrate all her behaviour together into one character, ultimately I think that she was just Mary Sueish and very poorly written. She was Super Special Awesome, but really we don't really know anything about Clara. What does she like? What does she dislike? What are her flaws? What does she excel at? Does it all stay consistent from story-to-story? Clara isn't a lot of things, so much so that once you put her to the screen the "isn't" is virtually all she is. She suffers from being like Bella from Twilight, someone who is so empty as an audience surrogate that she more or less becomes a cipher. TV!Peri suffered from this on and off when almost all self-assertive characterisation from Planet of Fire was jettisoned in favour of her "damsel in distress" aspect in The Caves of Androzani.Clara needed more substance to her. She's the Dodo of NuWho. I don't understand how that makes Clara contemptible. Clara is used to seeing the dark of the universe time and time again. She has seen evil and what it does. The 4WD could (and was) a threat. I don't think she put it all on him - she was rightfully wary and put on guard by The Doctor, struggling through grief and wasn't going to let some bastard use the memory of her recently deceased boyfriend agasint her. She was skeptical, 'Danny' wasn't giving her the right answers and she was laid down by grief and not thinking clearly and I think someone even in a better frame of mind would be skeptical. I'll disagree with you strongly that any of Clara's actions were sociopathic. To me, they definitely weren't. I also think it's important to remember that Clara has been waylaid with responsibility for sometime - kids with grieving parents sometimes do have to grow up faster - and she had helped to look after Angie and Artie for a year. She was also still mourning Eleven. As I said before, I don't think Clara was ready for Danny and all of this and a ready exit factored into the mistakes she made. *shrug* Well, that's why I've put it here in the thread about controversial opinions, not everybody's going to agree. I'm not a fan of the Ponds either (albeit for entirely different reasons), so that should be an indicator.
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Post by mrperson on Apr 8, 2016 15:29:03 GMT
As for her actions with the TARDIS key...she was grief-stricken. Messed up. To her mind in that moment, she' hadspent all this time with this friend which she could have with a boyfriend, a friend who she felt often took her for granted and who often did. In addition to what I've said, I'll add: completely inexcusable, imo. I don't care how grief-stricken someone is, if they take actions that they are certain will lead to my death, there couldn't be any forgiveness. "Who she died for once and risked her life for on countless occassions." She was a dalek, to be fair...
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Post by shutupbanks on Apr 9, 2016 9:00:36 GMT
I prefer Dalek Invasion Earth: 2150 to The Dalek Invasion Of Earth.
It has always bothered me that the emotionless, clinical cybermen always say, "Excellent" when things go their way.
I prefer Six's comic adventures to his television adventures.
I don't mind Clara.
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Post by Tony Jones on Apr 9, 2016 9:07:26 GMT
If you ignore the visuals I think Happiness Patrol is really good
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Post by acousticwolf on Apr 9, 2016 10:39:31 GMT
If you ignore the visuals I think Happiness Patrol is really good As a story, Happiness Patrol is excellent and if you listen to the audiobook, you can provide your own visuals. The Kandy Man is serious creepy, and nothing like Bertie Bassett! Cheers Tony
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 1:45:03 GMT
If you ignore the visuals I think Happiness Patrol is really good As a story, Happiness Patrol is excellent and if you listen to the audiobook, you can provide your own visuals. The Kandy Man is serious creepy, and nothing like Bertie Bassett! Cheers Tony I reckon if you switch off the saturation and up the contrast, quite a lot of it starts to look like a German Expressionist film. You tend to notice the production values a little less and the Kandy Kitchen benefits greatly from it.
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Post by icecreamdf on Apr 10, 2016 5:46:28 GMT
If you ignore the visuals I think Happiness Patrol is really good If you don't ignore the visuals, I think Happiness Patrol is really good.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Apr 10, 2016 15:16:04 GMT
I'd have screened Night of the Doctor on prime time Saturday night, the week before DOTD.
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Post by icecreamdf on Apr 11, 2016 2:11:30 GMT
I'd have screened Night of the Doctor on prime time Saturday night, the week before DOTD. I don't think that's exactly odd/unpopular/controversial with this crowd.
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Post by CookieMaster on Apr 11, 2016 10:56:56 GMT
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I like the idea that Peter Cushing's Who was an older Meta-crisis, but i don't subscribe to the theory entirely. The Ganger Doctor did in fact reconstitute himself, but the evil personality of the Dream Lord emerged to form the Valeyard instead.
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I like Time and the Rani and find season 24 to be relatively enjoyable. I really love The End of Time, and it was my favourite story of the new series until Day of the Doctor The TV Movie is some of the best Doctor Who ever made.
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I both love the idea that the War Chief was the Master, and also hate the idea with a passion. I long for Big Finish to finally sort it out one way or another. I would like to see a Doctor Who movie. I have no problems with the next Doctor being female.
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Post by aztec on Apr 11, 2016 11:25:40 GMT
ODDI like the idea that Peter Cushing's Who was an older Meta-crisis, but i don't subscribe to the theory entirely. The Ganger Doctor did in fact reconstitute himself, but the evil personality of the Dream Lord emerged to form the Valeyard instead. UNPOPULARI like Time and the Rani and find season 24 to be relatively enjoyable. I really love The End of Time, and it was my favourite story of the new series until Day of the DoctorThe TV Movie is some of the best Doctor Who ever made. CONTROVERSIAL
I both love the idea that the War Chief was the Master, and also hate the idea with a passion. I long for Big Finish to finally sort it out one way or another. I would like to see a Doctor Who movie. I have no problems with the next Doctor being female. I disagree with virtually all of that, but fair enough
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Post by aztec on Apr 11, 2016 11:28:16 GMT
Evelyn isn't really a very good companion....
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Post by aztec on Apr 11, 2016 11:40:43 GMT
David Tennant though a very talented actor, and 'my' doctor growing up, in retrospect the 10th Doctor dosen't strike me as a particularly interesting incarnation... I liked Rose very much in series 1...not as much...in Series 2. Completely agree. When I see the other Doctors, it doesn't cross my mind that they're acting - they ARE the Doctor. But, as great an actor as David Tennant is, to me he's always an actor playing the Doctor. And Rose went from being a grounded sympathetic character in Series 1 to a smug 2D caricature action girl in Series 2. My problem with Tennant's Doctor was a weird one...he simply felt too human and easy to sympathise with! It's an odd thing to say an character was too easy to understand or written as too likeable, but that's how I felt, the whole cheeky chappy with an eye for the ladies and a tragic time war he constantly moped about got rather grating after a while, I honestly felt RTD went too far pandering to new/casual viewers with the 10th Doctor (and I say that as someone who was a new viewer at the time), he rarely felt like a mysterious ancient timelord with a darkside to me...8 and 5 who are often falsely accused of being kinda bland and/or too heroic certainly have their dark moments and eccentricities and both McGann and Davison were able to act far beyond their years That's not to say Tennant's perforamnce isn't a great one, and his era is one of the most consistentially enjoyable so far i.m.o.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 11:54:30 GMT
Completely agree. When I see the other Doctors, it doesn't cross my mind that they're acting - they ARE the Doctor. But, as great an actor as David Tennant is, to me he's always an actor playing the Doctor. And Rose went from being a grounded sympathetic character in Series 1 to a smug 2D caricature action girl in Series 2. My problem with Tennant's Doctor was a weird one...he simply felt too human and easy to sympathise with! It's an odd thing to say an character was too easy to understand or written as too likeable, but that's how I felt, the whole cheeky chappy with an eye for the ladies and a tragic time war he constantly moped about got rather grating after a while, I honestly felt RTD went too far pandering to new/casual viewers with the 10th Doctor (and I say that as someone who was a new viewer at the time), he rarely felt like a mysterious ancient timelord with a darkside to me...8 and 5 who are often falsely accused of being kinda bland and/or too heroic certainly have their dark moments and eccentricities and both McGann and Davison were able to act far beyond their years That's not to say Tennant's perforamnce isn't a great one, and his era is one of the most consistentially enjoyable so far i.m.o. I'd noticed that too. I think that might've been well earned though because he spent a lot of time in his previous incarnation and then current incarnation returning to London as a touchstone in his travels. He strikes me as the most human of all the Doctors, the one that well and truly considered the Earth his home. I did miss the unearthly qualities of the Doctor towards the end though and as many problems as I have with his eleventh incarnation, they really did make him feel as though his body was just a tawdry marionette for something much larger.
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Post by aztec on Apr 11, 2016 11:59:55 GMT
My problem with Tennant's Doctor was a weird one...he simply felt too human and easy to sympathise with! It's an odd thing to say an character was too easy to understand or written as too likeable, but that's how I felt, the whole cheeky chappy with an eye for the ladies and a tragic time war he constantly moped about got rather grating after a while, I honestly felt RTD went too far pandering to new/casual viewers with the 10th Doctor (and I say that as someone who was a new viewer at the time), he rarely felt like a mysterious ancient timelord with a darkside to me...8 and 5 who are often falsely accused of being kinda bland and/or too heroic certainly have their dark moments and eccentricities and both McGann and Davison were able to act far beyond their years That's not to say Tennant's perforamnce isn't a great one, and his era is one of the most consistentially enjoyable so far i.m.o. I'd noticed that too. I think that might've been well earned though because he spent a lot of time in his previous incarnation and then current incarnation returning to London as a touchstone in his travels. He strikes me as the most human of all the Doctors, the one that well and truly considered the Earth his home. I did miss the unearthly qualities of the Doctor towards the end though and as many problems as I have with his eleventh incarnation, they really did make him feel as though his body was just a tawdry marionette for something much larger. Don't get me wrong I understand why RTD did it, but I think they went too far, too early on in the revival, even now you still read regular articles/rants/videos demanding the reinstating of Tennant's Doctor and/or a return to the tone of his era, I know of several people who stopped watching after he left (and I myself had trouble adapting to Sith at first due to the difference to what I percieved to be the norm for Dr Who) and Capaldi got a lot of hate from many younger fans at first because he wasn't the dashing romantic they had been lead to assume was the norm... I'm not a huge fan of Smith's Doctor either, but he hugely impressed me with his performance and quirky body language you often got the sense that there was a very old man trapped in the body of a awkward, quirky younger man.
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