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Post by tuigirl on Jun 25, 2020 18:09:38 GMT
Surely you could give them the benefit of the doubt though? Maybe a bitđ€·đ»ââïžbut it does still rub me the wrong way slightly đ€ If it is any consolation, Sixie wasn't in it, either...
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Post by timegirl on Jun 25, 2020 18:18:10 GMT
Maybe a bitđ€·đ»ââïžbut it does still rub me the wrong way slightly đ€ If it is any consolation, Sixie wasn't in it, either... Trueđđ I guess it just gets under my skin to see my favorite Doctor being ignored, when I feel he should have been included with the other Doctorsđ Even if he wasnât available when they filmed they should have waited until he was! Itâs just not right to skip 12 like thatđ
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Post by tuigirl on Jun 25, 2020 18:47:08 GMT
If it is any consolation, Sixie wasn't in it, either... Trueđđ I guess it just gets under my skin to see my favorite Doctor being ignored, when I feel he should have been included with the other Doctorsđ Even if he wasnât available when they filmed they should have waited until he was! Itâs just not right to skip 12 like thatđ Well, on the cover of the new River and 10 set, Sixie did not even make it onto the cover, while 5 did. And supposedly both are involved. I wonder what that is about... So at least 12 is not the only one singled out. And it might indeed just have been that Capaldi was otherwise engaged and could not take part.
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Post by timegirl on Jun 25, 2020 18:58:24 GMT
Trueđđ I guess it just gets under my skin to see my favorite Doctor being ignored, when I feel he should have been included with the other Doctorsđ Even if he wasnât available when they filmed they should have waited until he was! Itâs just not right to skip 12 like thatđ Well, on the cover of the new River and 10 set, Sixie did not even make it onto the cover, while 5 did. And supposedly both are involved. I wonder what that is about... So at least 12 is not the only one singled out. And it might indeed just have been that Capaldi was otherwise engaged and could not take part.
Very true đ€đ On a side note we definitely need a Sixie and 12 crossover đ
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Post by tuigirl on Jun 25, 2020 18:59:06 GMT
Well, on the cover of the new River and 10 set, Sixie did not even make it onto the cover, while 5 did. And supposedly both are involved. I wonder what that is about... So at least 12 is not the only one singled out. And it might indeed just have been that Capaldi was otherwise engaged and could not take part.
Very true đ€đ On a side note we definitely need a Sixie and 12 crossover đ You bet we do.
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Post by timegirl on Jun 25, 2020 19:00:05 GMT
Very true đ€đ On a side note we definitely need a Sixie and 12 crossover đ You bet we do. Preferably a musical episode đ
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Post by timegirl on Jun 26, 2020 23:09:16 GMT
I really want the Doctor to use the chameleon arch to become something other than human at some point đ€ Imagine the possibilities if they got turned into a different alien species! Imagine an Ood Doctor,a Dalek Doctor, a Great Vampire Doctor, an adipose Doctor, a Silurian Doctor, the possibilities are endless!
On a side note that thinking about the recent Tor article on the Celebrity Mythological, have we ever had a story where the Doctor meets Dracula other than in the land of fiction ?đ§đ»ââïžBecause if not this definitely needs to happen! Possibly involving the Doctor getting mistaken for Van Helsing đ€ I could either see it being played as eerie and serious đor for comedy with it turning out it was all a big misunderstanding and Dracula isnât actually evilđIf this was done for big finish I would want it to be 4,6, or 12
I have a weird relationship with how I view River: In the right story and context I think her character can be a lot of fun but I like her stories spread out or in small doses. I think like 11 himself she exhausts me when I get too much of her like in 11âs erađ€Sheâs better when she is kept as a fun mysterious fem fatale. I love her first appearance in silence in the library/forest of the Dead when she is new and we donât know too much about her. I want to enjoy Husbands of River Song more because it is a really really good episode and her and 12 have lovely chemistry but it rubs me the wrong way that it comes directly after the end to 12 and Claraâs tragic love story. Clara is 12âs (and arguably the Doctor in general) soulmate so it kind of makes me sad that this big romantic episode with River comes directly after 12 and Claraâs parting. I think I would have liked the episode better if it hadnât come directly after his and Claraâs tragic end. I think the Doctor can, does, and should have multiple loves but I just think 12 and Claraâs romance (and yes it is a romanceđ) is so special that there should be space before another relationship is explored with 12. I do enjoy the River box sets Big Finish does but I need space out my listening. Side note: Can we please have another far future incarnation of the Doctor similar to the Great Curator, who has 12âs face and spends at least 24 years (as long as River got if not longer) with the now immortal Clara added to cannon at some point in the future? Please
Sixie looks gorgeous in the Two Doctors in just his waist coatđNot ashamed to say I would rewatch that episode just for thatđ
Even though I love Classic and Modern Who sometimes I wish Classic who was a bit more like Modern Who in terms of character development/interpersonal drama and story arches. I know itâs the way it is because the British tv climate was different to how it is now and that it was more focused on showing different science fiction concepts and time periods rather than interpersonal drama.
This is not to say I think Classic who is devoid of character development/drama and story arches. Just look at the first Doctorâs arch from grumpy old man to starting to feel like the Doctor we know and love, or Ace and 7âs arch which seems like a prototype for modern companions. Plus the key to time arch and Trial of a Timelord. I would never want Classic who to totally be like Modern Who because that would rob it of its uniqueness but sometimes it stories feel a bit too stand-alone or I would like to know more about different companion Doctor relationships and feel more urgency and intrigue during different series. This could be partially because I was introduced to Modern Who first but I think the story arches and character development/ interpersonal drama are some of the best and most compelling aspects of Modern Who. I even love the romance angle of Modern Who, I know a lot of fans donât like this aspect and I completely get why they donât, but I think itâs compelling to see how this aspect is explored with the Doctor. I know you need to be careful how itâs portrayed, so even though itâs an inter species relationship the Doctor and their love interest seem like equals. But it makes total sense to me that someone like the Doctor, who must get very lonely spending all those hundreds and thousands of years flitting among time and space, no wonder they would want a romantic partner to share it with! Sometimes I wish the romance aspect was explored a bit more in classic Who as well. Thereâs a little bit of it with 1in the Aztecs, possibly 2 and Jamie, 3 and Jo had a bit of it especially towards the end of Green Death, 4 and Sarah Jane, 4 and Romana, and arguably all the classic Doctors who went up against the Master (no one can convince me otherwise that the Doctor and Master arenât bitter on again off again lovers). I know that romance was looked down upon during the classic era due to different priorities and standards of what was appropriate for family viewing, but I think it could have been nice if it was explored just a little bit more during the classic era. Donât get me wrong I wouldnât want Classic Doctors snoging their companions left and right, but I donât see why they couldnât have the Classic Doctors have platonic romances with companions.
I also donât agree that romance should be thrown out of Modern Who or that it would be better without it, I think it deepens the show even more and adds more possibilities for storylines. I do love classic who with its unique imagination, mystery, and colorful characters I just would like it even more if some of the character dynamics and story arches were expanded on.
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Post by timegirl on Jul 16, 2020 16:06:27 GMT
I have mixed feelings on 13. I think she is a good Doctor in general and Jodie is doing her best with the materials given to her along with the enormous pressure being the first female Doctor ever. Sometimes 13 seems a bit off to me though. Itâs not Jodieâs fault sheâs doing her best with the material but sometimes I feel her character is written a bit generically ( I think thatâs how I would put it) at times, if that makes sense, she doesnât feel like a real person like some other incarnations. Too cheerful and too much like a childrenâs tv presenter. I want the Doctor to feel alien but also like a real breathing person who has lived a life and not a cartoon character. Also sometimes 13 seems unusually cruel like letting the spiders suffocate to death in âarachnids in the U.K.â, brushing off the horrible capitalist system in âKerblamâ, and turning of the Masterâs perception filter and letting the Nazis get him. I am not opposed to the Doctor having a dark side, in a way sheâs starting to feel like a modern 7. Cheerful and silly on the outside, dark with chess master on the inside. Sort of an inverse of 12, where he is fierce and dark and brooding on the outside and kind, sweet and gentle on the inside, 13 is on the outside perky, colorful, friendly and light where on the inside she is brooding, and has a coldness to her at times. Itâs almost as if the Doctor has put their mask back up with 13 like sheâs hiding behind a false image of almost forced cheerfulness. She seems so distant from her companions as well like she doesnât really let them see her. Like the fam doesnât really know her. I think this will be a bit better in series 13 because I think she will have fewer companions so hopefully they will bond better this time. I do think 13 has some genuinely great moments like: her speech on love in âDemons of the Punjabâ, the look of betrayal she has when she finds out who O really is, and her entire performance in the âTimeless Childrenâ. I think 13âs character writing is continuing to improve. I hope they keep building on this and let 13âs guard drop a bit more. I think I donât completely connect with her because my personal preference is for the Doctor to be less surface level and I would rather have the Doctor be outwardly terrifying but inwardly kind and gentle than outwardly perky and cheerful and inwardly have a cold and manipulative streak. Thatâs just me though. I think 13 does have some genuine kindness to her and I love her childlike enthusiasm and resourcefulness, I just wish she didnât seem like such a displaced childrenâs show host at times and could have her mask slip off a bit more. There is something just a bit too false and cartoonish about cheerfulness at times. That all being said Jodie is giving it her all with the material she is given and I think itâs amazing how well she is dealing with the pressure of being the first official female Doctor!đ Side note: I would be interested if in the 60th, there was a conversation between 12 and 13 where 12 talks to her about how she seems to have put her mask back on. Perhaps 12 could encourage his next incarnation to let her mask come off a bit moređ€
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jul 16, 2020 16:38:54 GMT
I have mixed feelings on 13. I think she is a good Doctor in general and Jodie is doing her best with the materials given to her along with the enormous pressure being the first female Doctor ever. Sometimes 13 seems a bit off to me though. Itâs not Jodieâs fault sheâs doing her best with the material but sometimes I feel her character is written a bit generically ( I think thatâs how I would put it) at times, if that makes sense, she doesnât feel like a real person like some other incarnations. Too cheerful and too much like a childrenâs tv presenter. I want the Doctor to feel alien but also like a real breathing person who has lived a life and not a cartoon character. Also sometimes 13 seems unusually cruel like letting the spiders suffocate to death in âarachnids in the U.K.â, brushing off the horrible capitalist system in âKerblamâ, and turning of the Masterâs perception filter and letting the Nazis get him. I am not opposed to the Doctor having a dark side, in a way sheâs starting to feel like a modern 7. Cheerful and silly on the outside, dark with chess master on the inside. Sort of an inverse of 12, where he is fierce and dark and brooding on the outside and kind, sweet and gentle on the inside, 13 is on the outside perky, colorful, friendly and light where on the inside she is brooding, and has a coldness to her at times. Itâs almost as if the Doctor has put their mask back up with 13 like sheâs hiding behind a false image of almost forced cheerfulness. She seems so distant from her companions as well like she doesnât really let them see her. Like the fam doesnât really know her. I think this will be a bit better in series 13 because I think she will have fewer companions so hopefully they will bond better this time. I do think 13 has some genuinely great moments like: her speech on love in âDemons of the Punjabâ, the look of betrayal she has when she finds out who O really is, and her entire performance in the âTimeless Childrenâ. I think 13âs character writing is continuing to improve. I hope they keep building on this and let 13âs guard drop a bit more. I think I donât completely connect with her because my personal preference is for the Doctor to be less surface level and I would rather have the Doctor be outwardly terrifying but inwardly kind and gentle than outwardly perky and cheerful and inwardly have a cold and manipulative streak. Thatâs just me though. I think 13 does have some genuine kindness to her and I love her childlike enthusiasm and resourcefulness, I just wish she didnât seem like such a displaced childrenâs show host at times and could have her mask slip off a bit more. There is something just a bit too false and cartoonish about cheerfulness at times. That all being said Jodie is giving it her all with the material she is given and I think itâs amazing how well she is dealing with the pressure of being the first official female Doctor!đ Side note: I would be interested if in the 60th, there was a conversation between 12 and 13 where 12 talks to her about how she seems to have put her mask back on. Perhaps 12 could encourage his next incarnation to let her mask come off a bit moređ€ I have an opposite view. One of the things I like about 13 is that I understand who she is as Doctor Who. 12 was all over the place, such an inconsistent character. One of the reasons his era isn't for me is that I never really understood who his Doctor was (on the rare occasions that there was some consistency in the way he was written I did I didn't like what I saw). For me 13 was instantly charismatic & likeable, 12 was like 6 all over again. Grumpy & unlikeable.
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Post by timegirl on Jul 16, 2020 16:52:17 GMT
I have mixed feelings on 13. I think she is a good Doctor in general and Jodie is doing her best with the materials given to her along with the enormous pressure being the first female Doctor ever. Sometimes 13 seems a bit off to me though. Itâs not Jodieâs fault sheâs doing her best with the material but sometimes I feel her character is written a bit generically ( I think thatâs how I would put it) at times, if that makes sense, she doesnât feel like a real person like some other incarnations. Too cheerful and too much like a childrenâs tv presenter. I want the Doctor to feel alien but also like a real breathing person who has lived a life and not a cartoon character. Also sometimes 13 seems unusually cruel like letting the spiders suffocate to death in âarachnids in the U.K.â, brushing off the horrible capitalist system in âKerblamâ, and turning of the Masterâs perception filter and letting the Nazis get him. I am not opposed to the Doctor having a dark side, in a way sheâs starting to feel like a modern 7. Cheerful and silly on the outside, dark with chess master on the inside. Sort of an inverse of 12, where he is fierce and dark and brooding on the outside and kind, sweet and gentle on the inside, 13 is on the outside perky, colorful, friendly and light where on the inside she is brooding, and has a coldness to her at times. Itâs almost as if the Doctor has put their mask back up with 13 like sheâs hiding behind a false image of almost forced cheerfulness. She seems so distant from her companions as well like she doesnât really let them see her. Like the fam doesnât really know her. I think this will be a bit better in series 13 because I think she will have fewer companions so hopefully they will bond better this time. I do think 13 has some genuinely great moments like: her speech on love in âDemons of the Punjabâ, the look of betrayal she has when she finds out who O really is, and her entire performance in the âTimeless Childrenâ. I think 13âs character writing is continuing to improve. I hope they keep building on this and let 13âs guard drop a bit more. I think I donât completely connect with her because my personal preference is for the Doctor to be less surface level and I would rather have the Doctor be outwardly terrifying but inwardly kind and gentle than outwardly perky and cheerful and inwardly have a cold and manipulative streak. Thatâs just me though. I think 13 does have some genuine kindness to her and I love her childlike enthusiasm and resourcefulness, I just wish she didnât seem like such a displaced childrenâs show host at times and could have her mask slip off a bit more. There is something just a bit too false and cartoonish about cheerfulness at times. That all being said Jodie is giving it her all with the material she is given and I think itâs amazing how well she is dealing with the pressure of being the first official female Doctor!đ Side note: I would be interested if in the 60th, there was a conversation between 12 and 13 where 12 talks to her about how she seems to have put her mask back on. Perhaps 12 could encourage his next incarnation to let her mask come off a bit moređ€ I have an opposite view. One of the things I like about 13 is that I understand who she is as Doctor Who. 12 was all over the place, such an inconsistent character. One of the reasons his era isn't for me is that I never really understood who his Doctor was (on the rare occasions that there was some consistency in the way he was written I did I didn't like what I saw). For me 13 was instantly charismatic & likeable, 12 was like 6 all over again. Grumpy & unlikeable. Thatâs fair enoughđ€luckily with Doctor Who thereâs a Doctor for everyone đ
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Post by mark687 on Jul 16, 2020 16:58:58 GMT
I have mixed feelings on 13. I think she is a good Doctor in general and Jodie is doing her best with the materials given to her along with the enormous pressure being the first female Doctor ever. Sometimes 13 seems a bit off to me though. Itâs not Jodieâs fault sheâs doing her best with the material but sometimes I feel her character is written a bit generically ( I think thatâs how I would put it) at times, if that makes sense, she doesnât feel like a real person like some other incarnations. Too cheerful and too much like a childrenâs tv presenter. I want the Doctor to feel alien but also like a real breathing person who has lived a life and not a cartoon character. Also sometimes 13 seems unusually cruel like letting the spiders suffocate to death in âarachnids in the U.K.â, brushing off the horrible capitalist system in âKerblamâ, and turning of the Masterâs perception filter and letting the Nazis get him. I am not opposed to the Doctor having a dark side, in a way sheâs starting to feel like a modern 7. Cheerful and silly on the outside, dark with chess master on the inside. Sort of an inverse of 12, where he is fierce and dark and brooding on the outside and kind, sweet and gentle on the inside, 13 is on the outside perky, colorful, friendly and light where on the inside she is brooding, and has a coldness to her at times. Itâs almost as if the Doctor has put their mask back up with 13 like sheâs hiding behind a false image of almost forced cheerfulness. She seems so distant from her companions as well like she doesnât really let them see her. Like the fam doesnât really know her. I think this will be a bit better in series 13 because I think she will have fewer companions so hopefully they will bond better this time. I do think 13 has some genuinely great moments like: her speech on love in âDemons of the Punjabâ, the look of betrayal she has when she finds out who O really is, and her entire performance in the âTimeless Childrenâ. I think 13âs character writing is continuing to improve. I hope they keep building on this and let 13âs guard drop a bit more. I think I donât completely connect with her because my personal preference is for the Doctor to be less surface level and I would rather have the Doctor be outwardly terrifying but inwardly kind and gentle than outwardly perky and cheerful and inwardly have a cold and manipulative streak. Thatâs just me though. I think 13 does have some genuine kindness to her and I love her childlike enthusiasm and resourcefulness, I just wish she didnât seem like such a displaced childrenâs show host at times and could have her mask slip off a bit more. There is something just a bit too false and cartoonish about cheerfulness at times. That all being said Jodie is giving it her all with the material she is given and I think itâs amazing how well she is dealing with the pressure of being the first official female Doctor!đ Side note: I would be interested if in the 60th, there was a conversation between 12 and 13 where 12 talks to her about how she seems to have put her mask back on. Perhaps 12 could encourage his next incarnation to let her mask come off a bit moređ€ I have an opposite view. One of the things I like about 13 is that I understand who she is as Doctor Who. 12 was all over the place, such an inconsistent character. One of the reasons his era isn't for me is that I never really understood who his Doctor was (on the rare occasions that there was some consistency in the way he was written I did I didn't like what I saw). For me 13 was instantly charismatic & likeable, 12 was like 6 all over again. Grumpy & unlikeable. Out of interest which of the previous Docs does 13 remind you of? I still think she's one of most ill defined versions (for me the best Eps for 13 being what I consider the Doctor are Demons and Fugitive) Regards mark687
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Post by timegirl on Jul 16, 2020 17:07:50 GMT
I have an opposite view. One of the things I like about 13 is that I understand who she is as Doctor Who. 12 was all over the place, such an inconsistent character. One of the reasons his era isn't for me is that I never really understood who his Doctor was (on the rare occasions that there was some consistency in the way he was written I did I didn't like what I saw). For me 13 was instantly charismatic & likeable, 12 was like 6 all over again. Grumpy & unlikeable. Out of interest which of the previous Docs does 13 remind you of? I still think she's one of most ill defined versions (for me the best Eps for 13 being what I consider the Doctor are Demons and Fugitive) Regards mark687 For me she reminds me a bit of a cross between 5 and 7. 5 in regards to her relationship with her many companions and 7 with her outward silliness and inward darkness. I would like more definition to her too, like I said before let that mask slip a bit. I want her to feel more like a real person and not so falsely cheerful all the time. She doesnât quite feel real enough to me. 12 felt like a real person who lived and grew, which is part of why I love his incarnation so much. 13 isnât quite there yet, sheâs improving but not there yet.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jul 16, 2020 17:16:57 GMT
I have an opposite view. One of the things I like about 13 is that I understand who she is as Doctor Who. 12 was all over the place, such an inconsistent character. One of the reasons his era isn't for me is that I never really understood who his Doctor was (on the rare occasions that there was some consistency in the way he was written I did I didn't like what I saw). For me 13 was instantly charismatic & likeable, 12 was like 6 all over again. Grumpy & unlikeable. Out of interest which of the previous Docs does 13 remind you of? I still think she's one of most ill defined versions (for me the best Eps for 13 being what I consider the Doctor are Demons and Fugitive) Regards mark687 5.
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Post by timegirl on Jul 16, 2020 20:14:33 GMT
So I was thinking recently: What if one of the incarnations of the Doctor was chameleon arched into a human and became another incarnation of the Doctorâs companion? This could be really interesting to explore.
Or what if 12 was chameleon arched post Hell Bent and Clara happened to find him with TARDIS and let him be her âhumanâ companion since he had lost her memory of her.
Or what if two chameleon arched into human Doctors met and got married, things could be pretty awkward when they get their memory back and realize they are the same person!
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Post by mark687 on Jul 16, 2020 20:28:16 GMT
Out of interest which of the previous Docs does 13 remind you of? I still think she's one of most ill defined versions (for me the best Eps for 13 being what I consider the Doctor are Demons and Fugitive) Regards mark687 For me she reminds me a bit of a cross between 5 and 7. 5 in regards to her relationship with her many companions and 7 with her outward silliness and inward darkness. I would like more definition to her too, like I said before let that mask slip a bit. I want her to feel more like a real person and not so falsely cheerful all the time. She doesnât quite feel real enough to me. 12 felt like a real person who lived and grew, which is part of why I love his incarnation so much. 13 isnât quite there yet, sheâs improving but not there yet. I'd go with TV 5 too, and as you say, 13's not quite connecting, where as with 12, although it was a evolving character I could always get where they were coming from. mark687
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Post by timegirl on Jul 16, 2020 20:59:56 GMT
For me she reminds me a bit of a cross between 5 and 7. 5 in regards to her relationship with her many companions and 7 with her outward silliness and inward darkness. I would like more definition to her too, like I said before let that mask slip a bit. I want her to feel more like a real person and not so falsely cheerful all the time. She doesnât quite feel real enough to me. 12 felt like a real person who lived and grew, which is part of why I love his incarnation so much. 13 isnât quite there yet, sheâs improving but not there yet. I'd go with TV 5 too, and as you say, 13's not quite connecting, where as with 12, although it was a evolving character I could always get where they were coming from. mark687 Exactly, I think the best Doctors are the the ones who change and grow, not stay at status quo.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2020 21:51:43 GMT
I have an opposite view. One of the things I like about 13 is that I understand who she is as Doctor Who. 12 was all over the place, such an inconsistent character. One of the reasons his era isn't for me is that I never really understood who his Doctor was (on the rare occasions that there was some consistency in the way he was written I did I didn't like what I saw). For me 13 was instantly charismatic & likeable, 12 was like 6 all over again. Grumpy & unlikeable. Out of interest which of the previous Docs does 13 remind you of? I still think she's one of most ill defined versions (for me the best Eps for 13 being what I consider the Doctor are Demons and Fugitive) Regards mark687 Well, it's a tale of two seasons. After her first run where Jodie had so little to work with I would have said she was, sadly, the Doctor whose defining characteristic was that she didn't have any. She was just "there". I couldn't compare that Doctor to others. Luckily after playing it safe to the point of blandness in her debut run, the second run of stories saw her develop a lot more. There are clearly shades of Davison's Doc in her Earthiness, a bit of Tennant in her flippancy ("A platoon of Judoon near...*stretches for something to rhyme*... that lagoon"). Yet the Doctor I think I now think she's closest to in terms of character is the early Lucie era McGann. Kindly, warm, funny...but prone to a bit of a mood, even being a bit up herself (remember her holier than thou rant at Ryan in the Mary Shelley ep?) but quick to come down from her high horse when her companions reach out. Just like "The Fam" tell Jodie what she means to them when she's hiding her worry over Gallifrey, I can see Lucie's latter relationship with McGann's Doc. Especially the moment almost no-one talks about in Relative Dimensions where they both say they love each other explicitly. There's no romance there, it's clearly a familial love as they wrap gifts for Susan and Alex. It's a lovely quiet moment and I think that echoes through to Jodie's Doctor. She's not afraid to leave herself open to emotional ties. I would have agreed in 2018 that she was (the most) ill-defined but now I do think she's at least got her own personality. Presuming she sticks to the three season "rule" we're closer to the end of her era than the start so the next season will be crucial in defining the legacy of this incarnation.
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Post by doctorkernow on Jul 16, 2020 22:05:04 GMT
Hello again.
That first run of stories, definitely reminded me of early Davison. A young Doctor, full of energy and enthusiasm with too many companions not used well in some stories. 13 has developed from her initial goofiness and for me the first sign of that was her confrontation with James I in The Witchfinders and then Resolution. Their first Dalek story usuall gives a new Doctor something to really fight against due to their shared history. Season 13 really added to this, her scenes with Sacha Dhawan are electric. Also in The Haunting of Villa Diodati we see the inner steel in this Doctor. Events like Earthshock for Davison's Doctor totally change 13. After the events of Spyfall she knows things can never be the same and neither can she.
Where this Doctor is going is anybody's guess. Though I feel that in Russell T Davies particularly would handle the development of her Doctor with a surer touch.
As for Twelve being grumpy. I think we needed that. It was a gamble and I think unfortunately Deep Breath put off a lot of viewers including my teenagers. I enjoyed the contrast between him and Eleven. Ole Grumpy was hilarious at times. He also reminded me of the Fourth Doctor in that he didn't really care about what people thought of him. His Doctor Disco persona with sonic shades and electric guitar showed the Doctor's playful side.
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Post by timegirl on Jul 16, 2020 22:26:17 GMT
Hello again. That first run of stories, definitely reminded me of early Davison. A young Doctor, full of energy and enthusiasm with too many companions not used well in some stories. 13 has developed from her initial goofiness and for me the first sign of that was her confrontation with James I in The Witchfinders and then Resolution. Their first Dalek story usuall gives a new Doctor something to really fight against due to their shared history. Season 13 really added to this, her scenes with Sacha Dhawan are electric. Also in The Haunting of Villa Diodati we see the inner steel in this Doctor. Events like Earthshock for Davison's Doctor totally change 13. After the events of Spyfall she knows things can never be the same and neither can she. Where this Doctor is going is anybody's guess. Though I feel that in Russell T Davies particularly would handle the development of her Doctor with a surer touch. As for Twelve being grumpy. I think we needed that. It was a gamble and I think unfortunately Deep Breath put off a lot of viewers including my teenagers. I enjoyed the contrast between him and Eleven. Ole Grumpy was hilarious at times. He also reminded me of the Fourth Doctor in that he didn't really care about what people thought of him. His Doctor Disco persona with sonic shades and electric guitar showed the Doctor's playful side. Completely agree on both your points đ
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jul 16, 2020 22:43:35 GMT
Hello again. That first run of stories, definitely reminded me of early Davison. A young Doctor, full of energy and enthusiasm with too many companions not used well in some stories. 13 has developed from her initial goofiness and for me the first sign of that was her confrontation with James I in The Witchfinders and then Resolution. Their first Dalek story usuall gives a new Doctor something to really fight against due to their shared history. Season 13 really added to this, her scenes with Sacha Dhawan are electric. Also in The Haunting of Villa Diodati we see the inner steel in this Doctor. Events like Earthshock for Davison's Doctor totally change 13. After the events of Spyfall she knows things can never be the same and neither can she. Where this Doctor is going is anybody's guess. Though I feel that in Russell T Davies particularly would handle the development of her Doctor with a surer touch. As for Twelve being grumpy. I think we needed that. It was a gamble and I think unfortunately Deep Breath put off a lot of viewers including my teenagers. I enjoyed the contrast between him and Eleven. Ole Grumpy was hilarious at times. He also reminded me of the Fourth Doctor in that he didn't really care about what people thought of him. His Doctor Disco persona with sonic shades and electric guitar showed the Doctor's playful side. I've never got this newish idea of the character of the Doctor developing, for example Tom Baker was basically the same at the start & end of his run, as was his successor. I feel there are a few issues with a new Doctor settling into their personality but after that they are who they are. As for Deep Breath, when the episode itself highlights the issue of the Doctor being older it, for me, really displayed a lack of confidence in their choice of actor & them worrying that viewers would not take to him. Really turned me off from the start. The only era of New Who I will NEVER return to.
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