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Post by mark687 on Jul 31, 2021 13:26:29 GMT
Slightly controversially perhaps I'd have them reply "No, I just believe in Justice Full Stop." Regards mark687 This is up there with 'all lives matter'. So an individual can no longer have an all inclusive view of Justice in your opinion? Regards mark687
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Post by timegirl on Jul 31, 2021 13:26:32 GMT
If the Doctor ever got called a “Social Justice Warrior” (SJW) to their face they would take it as the biggest compliment and probably confuse the person calling them an “SJW” by thanking them and agreeing that they try to be. Sidenote: I never understood why the phrase “Social Justice Warrior” is considered a bad thing and used as an insult, surely it should be a good thing and a compliment to be considered someone who is progressive and supports and stands up for social justice🤔 I've been called it many times and wear it as a badge of honour. Likewise being called "woke" - I always say "Well, I don't need to be woke...some of us were never sleeping when it comes to fairness". Good one! Just to stick it to NMD types I think there should be a DW episode called “The Social Justice Warrior”
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Post by timegirl on Jul 31, 2021 13:39:27 GMT
Since the Doctor can look like anything and anyone, I just had a thought: Why does the Doctor always have to have a natural looking (in terms of what humans view as natural looking) hair color? Surely they could end up in an incarnation with purple, pink, blue or green hair! I think it would be interesting if 14 or another future Doctor just naturally had an unusual hair color to emphasize their alieness. They could even have running jokes about their strange hair color in certain situations.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2021 13:50:01 GMT
This is up there with 'all lives matter'. So an individual can no longer have an all inclusive view of Justice in your opinion? Regards mark687 I know exactly the sentiment you mean Mark but the problem is that for you and me, two white men, justice is a lot kinder than to other people. And it takes "warriors" to make sure that justice is indeed all-inclusive. Justice, sadly, is not blind.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2021 13:51:28 GMT
Since the Doctor can look like anything and anyone, I just had a thought: Why does the Doctor always have to have a natural looking (in terms of what humans view as natural looking) hair color? Surely they could end up in an incarnation with purple, pink, blue or green hair! I think it would be interesting if 14 or another future Doctor just naturally had an unusual hair color to emphasize their alieness. They could even have running jokes about their strange hair color in certain situations. Pertwee would have rocked a blue rinse!
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jul 31, 2021 13:53:17 GMT
This is up there with 'all lives matter'. So an individual can no longer have an all inclusive view of Justice in your opinion? Regards mark687 It's the same problem as 'I don't see colour': a nice sentiment but it's a lazy way to avoid discusses the uncomfortable nuances and is, alas, used by certain groups to not solve problems and just do finger-in-ear-sticking. It's like when some say 'everyone has it hard' to not talk about poverty.
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Post by barnabaslives on Jul 31, 2021 13:54:03 GMT
If the Doctor ever got called a “Social Justice Warrior” (SJW) to their face they would take it as the biggest compliment and probably confuse the person calling them an “SJW” by thanking them and agreeing that they try to be. Sidenote: I never understood why the phrase “Social Justice Warrior” is considered a bad thing and used as an insult, surely it should be a good thing and a compliment to be considered someone who is progressive and supports and stands up for social justice🤔 I think it's those on the opposite side of the Social Justice War that use SJW as an insult. It SHOULD be a good thing (not counting anyone who tries to give SJWs a bad name by claiming to be one and then making a royal arse of themselves). That really could be something to address in a story. I love the idea about Leela, and I could even see something like maybe a War Doctor story where he's trying to rally a planet to keep them safe from the Time War and ends up getting dismissed as an SJW.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jul 31, 2021 13:54:27 GMT
Meh, beardo on Youtube would still call it propaganda anyway in a 5 hour live stream with yaboi69 and titusmagnusgrandus. Who are they? Some NMDs? Well broad parodies: usernames will usually be stupid, pretentious and often times they do have rather voluminous facial hair.
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Post by timegirl on Jul 31, 2021 13:58:00 GMT
Well broad parodies: usernames will usually be stupid, pretentious and often times they do have rather voluminous facial hair. Neck Beards then?🤔
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Post by timegirl on Jul 31, 2021 13:58:49 GMT
If the Doctor ever got called a “Social Justice Warrior” (SJW) to their face they would take it as the biggest compliment and probably confuse the person calling them an “SJW” by thanking them and agreeing that they try to be. Sidenote: I never understood why the phrase “Social Justice Warrior” is considered a bad thing and used as an insult, surely it should be a good thing and a compliment to be considered someone who is progressive and supports and stands up for social justice🤔 I think it's those on the opposite side of the Social Justice War that use SJW as an insult. It SHOULD be a good thing (not counting anyone who tries to give SJWs a bad name by claiming to be one and then making a royal arse of themselves). That really could be something to address in a story. I love the idea about Leela, and I could even see something like maybe a War Doctor story where he's trying to rally a planet to keep them safe from the Time War and ends up getting dismissed as an SJW. That could make a really good story!😀
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Post by mark687 on Jul 31, 2021 13:59:51 GMT
So an individual can no longer have an all inclusive view of Justice in your opinion? Regards mark687 I know exactly the sentiment you mean Mark but the problem is that for you and me, two white men, justice is a lot kinder than to other people. And it takes "warriors" to make sure that justice is indeed all-inclusive. Justice, sadly, is not blind. Fair enough Regards mark687
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2021 14:03:16 GMT
Since the Doctor can look like anything and anyone, I just had a thought: Why does the Doctor always have to have a natural looking (in terms of what humans view as natural looking) hair color? Surely they could end up in an incarnation with purple, pink, blue or green hair! I think it would be interesting if 14 or another future Doctor just naturally had an unusual hair color to emphasize their alieness. They could even have running jokes about their strange hair color in certain situations. Pertwee would have rocked a blue rinse! What do you mean "would have"?
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Post by timegirl on Jul 31, 2021 14:05:10 GMT
Since the Doctor can look like anything and anyone, I just had a thought: Why does the Doctor always have to have a natural looking (in terms of what humans view as natural looking) hair color? Surely they could end up in an incarnation with purple, pink, blue or green hair! I think it would be interesting if 14 or another future Doctor just naturally had an unusual hair color to emphasize their alieness. They could even have running jokes about their strange hair color in certain situations. Pertwee would have rocked a blue rinse! Yes! And 12 could have pink hair and they could have had a running gag about people mistaking his hair for cotton candy/candy floss!😁
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2021 14:22:49 GMT
I've been called it many times and wear it as a badge of honour. Likewise being called "woke" - I always say "Well, I don't need to be woke...some of us were never sleeping when it comes to fairness". Good one! Just to stick it to NMD types I think there should be a DW episode called “The Social Justice Warrior” Forgive my ignorance, but what are NMD types? Thanks in advance.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Jul 31, 2021 14:23:41 GMT
If the Doctor ever got called a “Social Justice Warrior” (SJW) to their face they would take it as the biggest compliment and probably confuse the person calling them an “SJW” by thanking them and agreeing that they try to be. Sidenote: I never understood why the phrase “Social Justice Warrior” is considered a bad thing and used as an insult, surely it should be a good thing and a compliment to be considered someone who is progressive and supports and stands up for social justice🤔 I've been called it many times and wear it as a badge of honour. Likewise being called "woke" - I always say "Well, I don't need to be woke...some of us were never sleeping when it comes to fairness". (We may be going off topic here, but)
I always understood that a 'Social Justice Warrior' was somebody who was insincere or whose motivations were suspect; who wasn't (apparently, or suspect of being) driven by compassion or an understanding of people's issues and how they inter-relate, but by the desire to have a cause; any cause, even a cause that they would have opposed a few years previously in their career of campaigning (usually, to have a cause that's opposed by specific people). I'm sure we can all think of heroes with feet of clay, demanding justice for minorities (but not neccessarily openly discussing very many groups) or greater opportunities/targeted policies for people who'll then turn round and vote for them - regardless of political affiliation, I'm sure everybody could think of a few examples (although I wouldn't suggest starting to list them here).
Similarly, virtue signalling - it's not virtue signalling just becaus you espouse a cause *unless* you can't reasonably expect anything you say or do to change anything. If you hope to change people's minds, if only a few, and not even people who are influential, then you're not virtue signalling, but if you're only preaching to the choir and/or to people who are never going to respond, then (even if you never intended it as such) your only gain is self-aggrandisment; *that* would be virtue-signalling.
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Post by timegirl on Jul 31, 2021 14:27:07 GMT
Good one! Just to stick it to NMD types I think there should be a DW episode called “The Social Justice Warrior” Forgive my ignorance, but what are NMD types? Thanks in advance. Not My Doctors, whovians who oppose Jodie as the Doctor on the sole basis that she is female rather than any legitimate criticism and also oppose any political DW episodes despite the fact that DW has been political since the beginning.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2021 14:29:12 GMT
Forgive my ignorance, but what are NMD types? Thanks in advance. Not My Doctors, whovians who oppose Jodie as the Doctor on the sole basis that she is female rather than any legitimate criticism and also oppose any political DW episodes despite the fact that DW has been political since the beginning. Ah, thank you, timegirl. I'd not heard the term until recently, and always in its abbreviated form.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jul 31, 2021 14:52:03 GMT
I've been called it many times and wear it as a badge of honour. Likewise being called "woke" - I always say "Well, I don't need to be woke...some of us were never sleeping when it comes to fairness". (We may be going off topic here, but)
I always understood that a 'Social Justice Warrior' was somebody who was insincere or whose motivations were suspect; who wasn't (apparently, or suspect of being) driven by compassion or an understanding of people's issues and how they inter-relate, but by the desire to have a cause; any cause, even a cause that they would have opposed a few years previously in their career of campaigning (usually, to have a cause that's opposed by specific people). I'm sure we can all think of heroes with feet of clay, demanding justice for minorities (but not neccessarily openly discussing very many groups) or greater opportunities/targeted policies for people who'll then turn round and vote for them - regardless of political affiliation, I'm sure everybody could think of a few examples (although I wouldn't suggest starting to list them here).
Similarly, virtue signalling - it's not virtue signalling just becaus you espouse a cause *unless* you can't reasonably expect anything you say or do to change anything. If you hope to change people's minds, if only a few, and not even people who are influential, then you're not virtue signalling, but if you're only preaching to the choir and/or to people who are never going to respond, then (even if you never intended it as such) your only gain is self-aggrandisment; *that* would be virtue-signalling.
That's what those on the right think when they use the term SJW. But those on the right are foul.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2021 14:52:46 GMT
I've been called it many times and wear it as a badge of honour. Likewise being called "woke" - I always say "Well, I don't need to be woke...some of us were never sleeping when it comes to fairness". (We may be going off topic here, but)
I always understood that a 'Social Justice Warrior' was somebody who was insincere or whose motivations were suspect; who wasn't (apparently, or suspect of being) driven by compassion or an understanding of people's issues and how they inter-relate, but by the desire to have a cause; any cause, even a cause that they would have opposed a few years previously in their career of campaigning (usually, to have a cause that's opposed by specific people). I'm sure we can all think of heroes with feet of clay, demanding justice for minorities (but not neccessarily openly discussing very many groups) or greater opportunities/targeted policies for people who'll then turn round and vote for them - regardless of political affiliation, I'm sure everybody could think of a few examples (although I wouldn't suggest starting to list them here).
Similarly, virtue signalling - it's not virtue signalling just becaus you espouse a cause *unless* you can't reasonably expect anything you say or do to change anything. If you hope to change people's minds, if only a few, and not even people who are influential, then you're not virtue signalling, but if you're only preaching to the choir and/or to people who are never going to respond, then (even if you never intended it as such) your only gain is self-aggrandisment; *that* would be virtue-signalling.
That's why it's important to reclaim names, to own them. Diffuse their power. Take away the negative connotations. Then you're being shot at by blanks.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Jul 31, 2021 14:53:55 GMT
That's what those on the right think when they use the term SJW. But those on the right are foul. Fair enough; do you have a preferred term of abuse?
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