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Post by christmastrenzalore on Apr 10, 2016 13:41:59 GMT
Honestly, I would be okay with the Seventh Doctor boxset if it stuck to the established continuity. Nothing has showed the Doctor taking Ace to Gallifrey (or how she stopped travelling with him after the Benny box sets). Nothing has showed the Doctor travelling to Skaro, or any adventure directly leading into Doctor Who: The Movie. I just don't need a fourth or fifth explanation for the new console room (some of which BF itself has provided), or anything that denies that Ace has left the Doctor before (especially when Big Finish has already adapted one of those departures). The Master's flashbacks in the Seventh Doctor chapter of The Eight Doctors already explained the deathworm (and showed him swallowing it directly before arriving on Skaro). But I suppose you could have a boxset like this... 1. Final Ace departure story (after New Benny) where she never travels with the Doctor again. 2. Master story where the Master, in his new Gordon Tipple body, threatens the Doctor. At the end, the Master claims to have a plan and sets his coordinates for Skaro... 3. Gallifreyan story about the Eleven, including the flashback from Doom Coalition 1, guest starring Ace and Romana. 4. A Dalek story, set on Skaro. ..and avoid needless contradiction. There's a bit of a contradiction between what was said in The Eight Doctors concerning the Master's capture, and what was described in Mastermind. I seem to remember that in the former he basically hands himself over on Skaro right? In the latter he's cornered in the Valley of the Kings, where his TARDIS was eventually discovered, the subject of scorch marks from Dalek gunfire. It seems that he may have put up a fight in this version of events. I would love for Big Finish to give us the definitive version of events in a 7th Doctor story, which hopefully would involve Gordon Tipple in some capacity. I'd say he was captured on purpose, but he probably had to put up a fight so that it wasn't suspicious.
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Post by kastoniago on Apr 10, 2016 14:42:36 GMT
As much as I love her as a character, I think Ace has been overused in the 7DAs now, and he has possibly become too connected with her in his life. In my mind, the ideal scenario would have been to have Hex leave as he did at the end of Gods and Monsters, and Ace leave in the following trilogy, in some version of Signs and Wonders. I feel that the Seventh Doctor has lived so long in his personal life-span, yet he has only really had 4 (or 5) regular companions on audio. So let Ace leave, and give Seven some more companions.
But now I'm concerned that with the forthcoming Seven/Ace/Mel trilogy, that they will make the same mistake they did with older Nyssa, and keep her travelling with them for way too long, whereas I think one trilogy would suffice.
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Post by constonks on Apr 10, 2016 16:38:42 GMT
True, there is a bit of a contradiction. But all we know is that his TARDIS ended up on Earth. He could have sent his TARDIS there for safe keeping, considering he definitely has it with him in The Eight Doctors and we don't actually see the Daleks capture him in that. What we see is him eating the Deathworm, stepping out of his TARDIS on Skaro and goading the Daleks. Then it cuts away. He easily could have been fired upon and sent his TARDIS away for safe keeping.
In Mastermind, I don't recall the Master himself saying where he was captured, but I'll have to listen to it again.
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Post by CookieMaster on Apr 11, 2016 5:40:12 GMT
True, there is a bit of a contradiction. But all we know is that his TARDIS ended up on Earth. He could have sent his TARDIS there for safe keeping, considering he definitely has it with him in The Eight Doctors and we don't actually see the Daleks capture him in that. What we see is him eating the Deathworm, stepping out of his TARDIS on Skaro and goading the Daleks. Then it cuts away. He easily could have been fired upon and sent his TARDIS away for safe keeping. In Mastermind, I don't recall the Master himself saying where he was captured, but I'll have to listen to it again. I know that he said he was trying to escape the Dalek Prelature, or words to that effect, in my mind it doesn't entirely match-up with 'The Eight Doctors'. I'm not suggesting they should ignore the book, just that there is an opportunity here to expand the tale somewhat, given what we know. I think it would be more fun that way.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 6:07:07 GMT
True, there is a bit of a contradiction. But all we know is that his TARDIS ended up on Earth. He could have sent his TARDIS there for safe keeping, considering he definitely has it with him in The Eight Doctors and we don't actually see the Daleks capture him in that. What we see is him eating the Deathworm, stepping out of his TARDIS on Skaro and goading the Daleks. Then it cuts away. He easily could have been fired upon and sent his TARDIS away for safe keeping. In Mastermind, I don't recall the Master himself saying where he was captured, but I'll have to listen to it again. I know that he said he was trying to escape the Dalek Prelature, or words to that effect, in my mind it doesn't entirely match-up with 'The Eight Doctors'. I'm not suggesting they should ignore the book, just that there is an opportunity here to expand the tale somewhat, given what we know. I think it would be more fun that way. Strangely enough, the biggest issue I can see reconciling those two is whether it was the Ainley!Master or the Tipple/Rathbone!Master who was snatched up by the Daleks. Personally, I thought that once he regained his memory after the events in Master (assuming that's not his final story) then he would have put this whole "trap" as the Eighth Doctor called it into motion. I think it would have taken the Daleks a couple of tries to get the Master before he willingly acquiesced to their plungers, irrespective of whether or not he had a Fu Manchu-style post-execution plan.
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Post by CookieMaster on Apr 11, 2016 6:36:42 GMT
I know that he said he was trying to escape the Dalek Prelature, or words to that effect, in my mind it doesn't entirely match-up with 'The Eight Doctors'. I'm not suggesting they should ignore the book, just that there is an opportunity here to expand the tale somewhat, given what we know. I think it would be more fun that way. Strangely enough, the biggest issue I can see reconciling those two is whether it was the Ainley!Master or the Tipple/Rathbone!Master who was snatched up by the Daleks. Personally, I thought that once he regained his memory after the events in Master (assuming that's not his final story) then he would have put this whole "trap" as the Eighth Doctor called it into motion. I think it would have taken the Daleks a couple of tries to get the Master before he willingly acquiesced to their plungers, irrespective of whether or not he had a Fu Manchu-style post-execution plan. I guess that's the beauty of adaptions, it can be whoever they want it to be. I doubt they'd outright adapt 'The Eight Doctors' (stranger things have happened though) but transplanting parts of the Master's chapter into a full story, which includes the Seventh Doctor, would be spectacular. And yeah, I like the idea that he gave them the run-around for a bit.
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Post by MayoTango131 on Apr 11, 2016 14:49:51 GMT
Any more stories of Seventh Doctor and Mel Bush, I have always thought that his adventures in Big Finish are better than Ace.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Apr 11, 2016 14:57:14 GMT
A trilogy or two with Raine.
Adapts of Sleepy and So Vile a Sin
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A story where Ace finally joins the Prydonian Academy
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Post by bobod on Apr 11, 2016 14:59:43 GMT
Any more stories of Seventh Doctor and Mel Bush, I have always thought that his adventures in Big Finish are better than Ace. Butch Bush!
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