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Post by mark687 on Jan 16, 2016 21:47:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2016 1:26:32 GMT
Spoilers for the novel I wonder if that ending will lead-in to next year's main range triolgey, perhaps? Mel returning is going to shakeup things for Seven and Ace and might be the impetus for her depature, a look back at the when the cracks began to show?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2016 2:32:38 GMT
It'll be interesting to see how they tackle doing a Quatermass serial for audio, particularly with their casting of Trevithick. I don't think this adaptation could have come at a better time considering {Spoiler}
we as a society are on a huge nostalgia kick as of late. I love this book, particularly the idea of the Sentience: a devastatingly powerful entity made manifest by a longing for something past, which feeds on the regret of other lifeforms. Honestly, what could be a better distortion of Big Finish's modus operandi? Here in Crook Marsham, 1968. Nostalgia is not only dangerous -- it's lethal. |
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Post by omega on Jan 17, 2016 2:38:03 GMT
I don't think this adaptation could have come at a better time considering {Spoiler}
we as a society are on a huge nostalgia kick as of late. I love this book, particularly the idea of the Sentience: a devastatingly powerful entity made manifest by a longing for something past, which feeds on the regret of other lifeforms. Honestly, what could be a better distortion of Big Finish's modus operandi? Here in Crook Marsham, 1968. Nostalgia is not only dangerous -- it's lethal. That's really clever. It feels at times that people show more enthusiasm for more of the same rather than something new or different (more movies that are sequels or adaptations instead of based on original ideas for example), thus the nostalgia. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2016 2:46:27 GMT
I don't think this adaptation could have come at a better time considering {Spoiler}
we as a society are on a huge nostalgia kick as of late. I love this book, particularly the idea of the Sentience: a devastatingly powerful entity made manifest by a longing for something past, which feeds on the regret of other lifeforms. Honestly, what could be a better distortion of Big Finish's modus operandi? Here in Crook Marsham, 1968. Nostalgia is not only dangerous -- it's lethal. That's really clever. It feels at times that people show more enthusiasm for more of the same rather than something new or different (more movies that are sequels or adaptations instead of based on original ideas for example), thus the nostalgia. Absolutely, you want to relive the good times when a particular show, novel or game made you happy and kept you entertained. It's why so many people try to emulate stories like The Talons of Weng-Chiang or Terror of the Zygons (RIP Robert Banks Stewart), because they're the stories that have brought people the most joy. Personally, I think the mistake people often draw with sequels is that people don't want to see the same story again, they want to revisit the characters from the point they left off and see how they've changed and what new terrors await them. Aliens is the perfect sequel to Alien (although whiskeybrewer may jump in and say it's Alien3  ) because it takes Ellen Ripley from where we left her and charges off in its own direction using familiar elements. That's what I love about Nightshade, it takes elements we recognise and pushes forward with telling a then modern story that wouldn't have been too out of place for something like The X-Files. It loves the past, but wants to push forward towards an even better future. |
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jan 17, 2016 2:46:34 GMT
It'll be interesting to see how they tackle doing a Quatermass serial for audio, particularly with their casting of Trevithick. I don't think this adaptation could have come at a better time considering {Spoiler}
we as a society are on a huge nostalgia kick as of late. I love this book, particularly the idea of the Sentience: a devastatingly powerful entity made manifest by a longing for something past, which feeds on the regret of other lifeforms. Honestly, what could be a better distortion of Big Finish's modus operandi? Here in Crook Marsham, 1968. Nostalgia is not only dangerous -- it's lethal. Once upon a time, when the New a Series came back, Nightshsde was at the top of the list of stores we'd love to see adapted, with a certain Thomas Baker as Trevithick, I always said "the Shat", with permission to use clips from Trek as part of his flashbacking. |
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Post by seeley on Jan 17, 2016 2:46:58 GMT
Interesting... Not the best of trailers. Rather too unfocused, IMO. If I hadn't read the book, I'd be thoroughly nonplussed. And I'm still quite curious how they've adapted it. A straight-up adaptation would require lots of clunky, expository dialogue. So, logically, a good adaptation would have to change a lot of things, though the bits in the trailer were all from the book, if memory serves. I don't think this adaptation could have come at a better time considering {Spoiler}we as a society are on a huge nostalgia kick as of late. I love this book, particularly the idea of the Sentience: a devastatingly powerful entity made manifest by a longing for something past, which feeds on the regret of other lifeforms. Honestly, what could be a better distortion of Big Finish's modus operandi? Here in Crook Marsham, 1968. Nostalgia is not only dangerous -- it's lethal. {Spoiler}
Indeed.
It's also a release that, by its very nature, is deliciously ironic. McCoy, Aldred, et al. are, like the Sentience, giving life to the memories of those who've read the book.
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Post by omega on Jan 17, 2016 2:56:31 GMT
It'll be interesting to see how they tackle doing a Quatermass serial for audio, particularly with their casting of Trevithick. I don't think this adaptation could have come at a better time considering {Spoiler}
we as a society are on a huge nostalgia kick as of late. I love this book, particularly the idea of the Sentience: a devastatingly powerful entity made manifest by a longing for something past, which feeds on the regret of other lifeforms. Honestly, what could be a better distortion of Big Finish's modus operandi? Here in Crook Marsham, 1968. Nostalgia is not only dangerous -- it's lethal. Once upon a time, when the New a Series came back, Nightshsde was at the top of the list of stores we'd love to see adapted, with a certain Thomas Baker as Trevithick, I always said "the Shat", with permission to use clips from Trek as part of his flashbacking. Nightshade could have easily been adapted. Mark Gatiss has worked with Big Finish before in both a writing and acting capacity. Special effects aren't an issue, almost all the cast is human, it's got a deeply relevant theme {Spoiler}
Carole Ann Ford could have cameo-ed (the older Susan in the Coal Hill uniform could be very handy to show the Doctor's internal conflict) and the sub-plot where Ace falls in love with and sleeps with Robin could easily be cut (keep in the romance angle to give the companion something to do though). I suppose that the Nightshade creatures would be a bit ropy, but manageable. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2016 3:07:35 GMT
It'll be interesting to see how they tackle doing a Quatermass serial for audio, particularly with their casting of Trevithick. I don't think this adaptation could have come at a better time considering {Spoiler}we as a society are on a huge nostalgia kick as of late. I love this book, particularly the idea of the Sentience: a devastatingly powerful entity made manifest by a longing for something past, which feeds on the regret of other lifeforms. Honestly, what could be a better distortion of Big Finish's modus operandi? Here in Crook Marsham, 1968. Nostalgia is not only dangerous -- it's lethal. Once upon a time, when the New a Series came back, Nightshsde was at the top of the list of stores we'd love to see adapted, with a certain Thomas Baker as Trevithick, I always said "the Shat", with permission to use clips from Trek as part of his flashbacking. I remember reading it in school and thinking how awesome it would've been to have it directed by Graeme Harper and have Trevithick played by... Oh. Huh, I don't remember. David Warner, maybe. Although considering the character's origins, if you were to do an adaptation in this decade I think David Bradley would do a phenomenal job. Once upon a time, when the New a Series came back, Nightshsde was at the top of the list of stores we'd love to see adapted, with a certain Thomas Baker as Trevithick, I always said "the Shat", with permission to use clips from Trek as part of his flashbacking. Nightshade could have easily been adapted. Mark Gatiss has worked with Big Finish before in both a writing and acting capacity. Special effects aren't an issue, almost all the cast is human, it's got a deeply relevant theme {Spoiler}Carole Ann Ford could have cameo-ed (the older Susan in the Coal Hill uniform could be very handy to show the Doctor's internal conflict) and the sub-plot where Ace falls in love with and sleeps with Robin could easily be cut (keep in the romance angle to give the companion something to do though). I suppose that the Nightshade creatures would be a bit ropy, but manageable. I always had this image in my mind's eye that the creatures from Nightshade started out as costumes before slowly metamorphosing over the course of the book into the horrific things that eventually kill the poor man as the Sentience grows stronger. I'd liked to have seen that done on television if at all possible. The only issue I can really think of is that the atmosphere would really suffer if it were truncated down to one or two forty-five minute episodes. It's the kind of story where you need room for it to breathe. Easy to do on paper, but on television it would require a certain deft hand to accomplish. |
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Post by omega on Jan 17, 2016 3:16:31 GMT
Nightshade could have easily been adapted. Mark Gatiss has worked with Big Finish before in both a writing and acting capacity. Special effects aren't an issue, almost all the cast is human, it's got a deeply relevant theme {Spoiler}Carole Ann Ford could have cameo-ed (the older Susan in the Coal Hill uniform could be very handy to show the Doctor's internal conflict) and the sub-plot where Ace falls in love with and sleeps with Robin could easily be cut (keep in the romance angle to give the companion something to do though). I suppose that the Nightshade creatures would be a bit ropy, but manageable. I always had this image in my mind's eye that the creatures from Nightshade started out as costumes before slowly metamorphosing over the course of the book into the horrific things that eventually kill the poor man as the Sentience grows stronger. I'd liked to have seen that done on television if at all possible. The only issue I can really think of is that the atmosphere would really suffer if it were truncated down to one or two forty-five minute episodes. It's the kind of story where you need room for it to breathe. Easy to do on paper, but on television it would require a certain deft hand to accomplish. True. Love and War could have used more running time, if only to make the Ace and Jan romance seem more believable, and that was on just under two and a half hours run time! If you wanted to preserve the atmosphere for Nightshade, a four part classic series style would be better suited. |
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Post by newt5996 on Jan 17, 2016 3:54:23 GMT
Listening to the trailer music in the background is eerily similar to the imaginary score in the back of my head when I was reading the book. Sort of a mix between a toned down Requiem for a Dream and some of the music for Sweeney Todd
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Post by mark687 on Jan 17, 2016 11:28:40 GMT
Spoilers for the novel I wonder if that ending will lead-in to next year's main range triolgey, perhaps? Mel returning is going to shakeup things for Seven and Ace and might be the impetus for her depature, a look back at the when the cracks began to show?
Hope not otherwise it mucks up my own continuity
For me the NA's occur before Hex. You are the Doctor is set after Hex. The linking theme of You are the Doctor is the TARDIS looking for someone Mel? though its not been confirmed
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2016 12:53:40 GMT
Spoilers for the novel I wonder if that ending will lead-in to next year's main range triolgey, perhaps? Mel returning is going to shakeup things for Seven and Ace and might be the impetus for her depature, a look back at the when the cracks began to show?
Hope not otherwise it mucks up my own continuity
For me the NA's occur before Hex. You are the Doctor is set after Hex. The linking theme of You are the Doctor is the TARDIS looking for someone Mel? though its not been confirmed
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I'm pretty sure it's intended to be the other way around. |
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Post by mark687 on Jan 17, 2016 13:58:41 GMT
Hope not otherwise it mucks up my own continuity
For me the NA's occur before Hex. You are the Doctor is set after Hex. The linking theme of You are the Doctor is the TARDIS looking for someone Mel? though its not been confirmed
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I'm pretty sure it's intended to be the other way around.
How so?
Especially as the TV Movie Console effect are introduced in the Hex Arc but aren't used in the NA's?
But as I said that's just my own opinion.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jan 17, 2016 14:03:30 GMT
Is this the one were the seventh Doctor is chased around the block by a lamp?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2016 16:21:47 GMT
I'm pretty sure it's intended to be the other way around.
How so?
Especially as the TV Movie Console effect are introduced in the Hex Arc but aren't used in the NA's?
But as I said that's just my own opinion.
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Mainly because the character developments for Ace in the novels make it pretty unlikely the audios come after. I'm more than happy to think of the TV movie console room as a glorified secondary console room, with the Doctor swapping backwards and forwards between that and gleaming white ones. |
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Post by mark687 on Jan 17, 2016 16:28:55 GMT
How so?
Especially as the TV Movie Console effect are introduced in the Hex Arc but aren't used in the NA's?
But as I said that's just my own opinion.
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Mainly because the character developments for Ace in the novels make it pretty unlikely the audios come after. I'm more than happy to think of the TV movie console room as a glorified secondary console room, with the Doctor swapping backwards and forwards between that and gleaming white ones. That doesn't work for me as I think she's more mature in the Hex Arc then in the NA's, but as I said I've no problem if it works for you the other way round.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2016 16:46:07 GMT
Mainly because the character developments for Ace in the novels make it pretty unlikely the audios come after. I'm more than happy to think of the TV movie console room as a glorified secondary console room, with the Doctor swapping backwards and forwards between that and gleaming white ones. That doesn't work for me as I think she's more mature in the Hex Arc then in the NA's, but as I said I've no problem if it works for you the other way round.
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Well certainly in terms of stories like Nightshade yes, but by the time she leaves the Doctor at the end of the NAs, Id say less so, but as you say, each to his (or her) own. One of the great things I like about Doctor Who is we can each arrange many things to suit our own personal ideas. |
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Post by seeley on Jan 17, 2016 20:34:50 GMT
Mainly because the character developments for Ace in the novels make it pretty unlikely the audios come after. I'm more than happy to think of the TV movie console room as a glorified secondary console room, with the Doctor swapping backwards and forwards between that and gleaming white ones. That doesn't work for me as I think she's more mature in the Hex Arc then in the NA's, but as I said I've no problem if it works for you the other way round.
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The NA's don't really fit comfortably with BF's Seventh Doctor stories, from at least the Harvest onwards. This was always going to be a problem, I imagine. After all, consistently aping something as popular as the NA's threatens unflattering comparisons, as well as restricting possibilities for development. So it makes sense that Big Finish struck out in a different, albeit not wholly dissimilar, direction, with Shadow of the Scourge and the Dark Flame labelled as side-steps. Personally, I suspect that 100 Days of the Doctor is to blame. You've got the Sixth Doctor puttering around his past and future, observing both Ace and Hex as well as Benny Summerfield. While observing the former, Evelyn says something to the effect of "So this is your future" and he responds by telling her that it's not set in stone. The latter bit takes place later in the episode, so presumably the NA's are the replacement timeline, caused by something in the course of the story. Perhaps the assassin-virus decided to take the Doctor's remark as a cue, and subtly altered his neurological makeup.
How so?
Especially as the TV Movie Console effect are introduced in the Hex Arc but aren't used in the NA's?
But as I said that's just my own opinion.
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Mainly because the character developments for Ace in the novels make it pretty unlikely the audios come after. I'm more than happy to think of the TV movie console room as a glorified secondary console room, with the Doctor swapping backwards and forwards between that and gleaming white ones. Speaking of console-rooms, Nightshade introduces the tertiary one, which, while not identical, bears a certain resemblance to the TV Movie one. |
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Post by mark687 on Jan 18, 2016 14:17:02 GMT
Speaking of console-rooms, Nightshade introduces the tertiary one, which, while not identical, bears a certain resemblance to the TV Movie one.
Darn
I forgot that.
i'm still sticking to my way round though 
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) because it takes Ellen Ripley from where we left her and charges off in its own direction using familiar elements. That's what I love about Nightshade, it takes elements we recognise and pushes forward with telling a then modern story that wouldn't have been too out of place for something like The X-Files. It loves the past, but wants to push forward towards an even better future.
