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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jan 18, 2016 14:39:11 GMT
That's really clever. It feels at times that people show more enthusiasm for more of the same rather than something new or different (more movies that are sequels or adaptations instead of based on original ideas for example), thus the nostalgia. Absolutely, you want to relive the good times when a particular show, novel or game made you happy and kept you entertained. It's why so many people try to emulate stories like The Talons of Weng-Chiang or Terror of the Zygons (RIP Robert Banks Stewart), because they're the stories that have brought people the most joy. Personally, I think the mistake people often draw with sequels is that people don't want to see the same story again, they want to revisit the characters from the point they left off and see how they've changed and what new terrors await them. Aliens is the perfect sequel to Alien (although whiskeybrewer may jump in and say it's Alien3 ) because it takes Ellen Ripley from where we left her and charges off in its own direction using familiar elements. That's what I love about Nightshade, it takes elements we recognise and pushes forward with telling a then modern story that wouldn't have been too out of place for something like The X-Files. It loves the past, but wants to push forward towards an even better future. Damn right i would lmao
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Post by constonks on Jan 19, 2016 14:14:09 GMT
I was coming around to the idea that the NAs came before Hex until Signs and Wonders showed that Set Piece, Ground Zero and UNIT: Dominion were all potential futures for Ace.
I definitely agree that the character development leans that way. But I'm willing to say that Robin and Jan dredged up a lot of bad memories and feelings for Ace and she never quite got over it until much later.
EDIT: also just to clarify I slot Timewyrm and Cat's Cradle in with the BBC PDAs and the early Big Finish stuff. It's only Nightshade through Lungbarrow that forms the NA section of the Seventh Doctor's timeline.
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Post by mark687 on Jan 19, 2016 14:44:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 0:05:33 GMT
I know there are only so many pics that can be used but that's the same head shot of Sylv that was used only last month in You Are The Doctor. Normally there's a longer gap before they get used again.
As I said elsewhere, it's been the best part of 20 years since I read it but isn't the Doctor's costume in Nightshade explicitly said to not be the question mark jumper ensemble?
I'm hoping this is up there with Damaged Goods as Nightshade is one of my favourite VNAs and is really where I consider the range to find its feet after the Timewyrm and Cat's Cradle runs were variable at best.
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Post by omega on Jan 20, 2016 0:24:39 GMT
I know there are only so many pics that can be used but that's the same head shot of Sylv that was used only last month in You Are The Doctor. Normally there's a longer gap before they get used again. As I said elsewhere, it's been the best part of 20 years since I read it but isn't the Doctor's costume in Nightshade explicitly said to not be the question mark jumper ensemble? I'm hoping this is up there with Damaged Goods as Nightshade is one of my favourite VNAs and is really where I consider the range to find its feet after the Timewyrm and Cat's Cradle runs were variable at best. They've been reusing that picture of Sylv and Sophie since 2010, with Lurkers at Sunlight's Edge. Nightshade is brilliant because it deals with nostalgia and why you have to live in the present. The idea gets kinda meta, considering the Fourth Doctor range tends to live more in the then than the now. It's fine to dip into the past, but it's more important to change and innovate for the future. If Doctor Who stayed with looking to the past then it wouldn't have become what it is today.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 0:53:43 GMT
I know there are only so many pics that can be used but that's the same head shot of Sylv that was used only last month in You Are The Doctor. Normally there's a longer gap before they get used again. As I said elsewhere, it's been the best part of 20 years since I read it but isn't the Doctor's costume in Nightshade explicitly said to not be the question mark jumper ensemble? I'm hoping this is up there with Damaged Goods as Nightshade is one of my favourite VNAs and is really where I consider the range to find its feet after the Timewyrm and Cat's Cradle runs were variable at best. They've been reusing that picture of Sylv and Sophie since 2010, with Lurkers at Sunlight's Edge. Nightshade is brilliant because it deals with nostalgia and why you have to live in the present. The idea gets kinda meta, considering the Fourth Doctor range tends to live more in the then than the now. It's fine to dip into the past, but it's more important to change and innovate for the future. If Doctor Who stayed with looking to the past then it wouldn't have become what it is today. Yes, I acknowledged they re-use pics but this one was only used weeks ago. Bit soon? I find it interesting that for those of us who read the books in the 90s the Novel Adaptations are a range that are playing heavily on our nostalgia but that for a good chunk of fans (I'd guess a majority on this site who weren't Who fans in the 90s) it's just a new set of stories for McCoy and Tom. So we're one fanbase but coming at these books from different angles. So for me and others here we compare with the books but other fans here who haven't read them will compare them more with main range releases which they share a format with. So that's the meta part of the range for me. It's built on the back of nostalgia...but it's new for a majority of listeners. It's like the old TV exec who justified his channel having so many repeats - "If you haven't seen it, it's new to you"
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Post by Timelord007 on Jan 20, 2016 13:10:55 GMT
I know there are only so many pics that can be used but that's the same head shot of Sylv that was used only last month in You Are The Doctor. Normally there's a longer gap before they get used again. As I said elsewhere, it's been the best part of 20 years since I read it but isn't the Doctor's costume in Nightshade explicitly said to not be the question mark jumper ensemble? I'm hoping this is up there with Damaged Goods as Nightshade is one of my favourite VNAs and is really where I consider the range to find its feet after the Timewyrm and Cat's Cradle runs were variable at best. Completely agree, the sleeve looks sad to say very average bordering bland, shouldn't this cover feature the Doctor is his yellow suit?
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Post by Timelord007 on Jan 20, 2016 13:11:22 GMT
Any idea what the final release of this range will be?
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Post by mark687 on Jan 20, 2016 13:19:41 GMT
Any idea what the final release of this range will be? Still no news its odd especially as we've had bigger news about other Ranges in the meantime.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 13:22:49 GMT
As much as I'd like to place the Hex stories afterwards, the New Adventures offer a good explanation for why Ace doesn't mention him over the course of the novels in the form of Timewyrm: Genesys. As part of their attempt to reintroduce audiences to the concept of Doctor Who, the Doctor's shown to have been fiddling around with his memories using the TARDIS's telepathic circuits and may have inadvertently scrambled Ace's own mnemonic engrams in the process. Personally, I'd prefer to stick the Hex stories just before the Cat's Cradle arc and treat Ace's characterisation in Time's Crucible like an anomaly because Ace grows up so much between the two novels that she's put in charge of a mercenary band and kills a man with a shoddy helmet laser. Bear in mind that a few stories later she'd be wielding duel automatics at the Church of Vacuum in Love and War, placing the Big Finish stories makes the leap from Timewyrm to Cat's Cradle less startling. Alternatively, yet another explanation was offered using Ace's amnesia in the Companion Chronicles The Prisoner's Dilemma as a second introduction to explain why the timecycle has vanished and her battle hardened character growth has up and gone. Death Comes to Time was even posited as a bridgehead between the end of the Hex stories and the beginning of the New Adventures of Bernice Summerfield where she's a Time Lord in training. Keeping all of that in mind, option two is still my preference though. I know there are only so many pics that can be used but that's the same head shot of Sylv that was used only last month in You Are The Doctor. Normally there's a longer gap before they get used again. As I said elsewhere, it's been the best part of 20 years since I read it but isn't the Doctor's costume in Nightshade explicitly said to not be the question mark jumper ensemble? I'm hoping this is up there with Damaged Goods as Nightshade is one of my favourite VNAs and is really where I consider the range to find its feet after the Timewyrm and Cat's Cradle runs were variable at best. Completely agree, the sleeve looks sad to say very average bordering bland, shouldn't this cover feature the Doctor is his yellow suit? Didn't turn up until White Darkness. He should be wearing an ensemble that (with the benefit of hindsight) ironically echoes what he'd eventually be wearing in the television film. Wow. Now that I've seen it, that's a really shoddy cover. It rivals The Highest Science for how slapped together it looks. Is that really supposed to be the Sentience?
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Post by bobod on Jan 20, 2016 13:41:29 GMT
I think people really need to get over the idea of the Novel Adaptations tying in on-going-plot-wise with the other ranges. BF have given no indication that the Tom and Lalla MA trilogy will impact on the the 4Ds or that the NAs will tie with other Sylv audios.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 14:12:14 GMT
Any idea what the final release of this range will be? The range is quite popular, so I'd imagine we're a long way off from it's end and there are plenty of good stories Big Finish can choose from which would be intrest to those unfarmaliar with The New Adventures. At the very least, we know the range won't end until it covers the big events of The New Adventures range which can be rencoiled with Big Finish contiunty (Roz's death, Ace's return, Roz and Chris reliasing how they feel about each other, Chris depature on Galifery (?) etc) and puts these events in play for The New Adventures of Bernice Summerfield range to pick up with as part of Big Finish introducing Benny to a wider audience.
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Post by bobod on Jan 20, 2016 14:19:37 GMT
We don't *KNOW* that at all, do we? BF have never said they'll do this, have they?
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Post by mark687 on Jan 20, 2016 14:25:51 GMT
Any idea what the final release of this range will be? The range is quite popular, so I'd imagine we're a long way off from it's end and there are plenty of good stories Big Finish can choose from which would be intrest to those unfarmaliar with The New Adventures. At the very least, we know the range won't end until it covers the big events of The New Adventures range which can be rencoiled with Big Finish contiunty (Roz's death, Ace's return, Roz and Chris reliasing how they feel about each other, Chris depature on Galifery (?) etc) and puts these events in play for The New Adventures of Bernice Summerfield range to pick up with as part of Big Finish introducing Benny to a wider audience. Realistically I cant think of many more (besides the usual 3 or 4) that would be worth the cost of Adapting, its been a nice stroll down memory lane though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 14:36:20 GMT
I think people really need to get over the idea of the Novel Adaptations tying in on-going-plot-wise with the other ranges. BF have given no indication that the Tom and Lalla MA trilogy will impact on the the 4Ds or that the NAs will tie with other Sylv audios. There's a nice corelation between The New Adventures of Bernice Summerfield range (introducing Benny to a wider audience with pairing her agasint iconic villians in the Doctor Who universe and Ace's life post-Seven and plunging that audience into Benny's reuioun with Seven and Ace without context - and Ace's life at The Academy) and The Novel Adapations which impart to new audiences how she came to be in the TARDIS, her relationship with Ace and Seven and what that means for Ace and Seven's journey moving forward...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 15:10:25 GMT
We don't *KNOW* that at all, do we? BF have never said they'll do this, have they? We know that Original Sin is being adapted, so it's clear that Chris and Roz's apperance in Damaged Goods wasn't an one-off thing with these characters and that there story will be told to new audiences, which includes Roz's end and some sort of conclusion for Chris's time in the TARDIS. Given the corelation between The Novel Adapations and The New Adventures of Bernice Summerfield range (telling Benny's time in the TARDIS and what it means for Seven and Ace's journey moving forward), I think it's safe to say that the big events of the New Adventures will come to play into The New Adventures of Bernice Summerfield range for audiences farmaliar and unfarmaliar with the New Adventures. We'll probably see Chris in the series and they'll be a callback to Roz., etc. Anyway.....I think your being really odd about this. You disagree with me, fine, but your responses have been really weird and really intense and not really suited to talking about Doctor Who. I mean, I'm up there in the TARDIS.....but.....it's getting really unusual now. I'm going be upfront: any further discussion on this topic with you I'm just not going to talk about it with you. Because your making me REALLY uncomfortable and I come to this forum for fun times.
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Post by bobod on Jan 20, 2016 15:16:37 GMT
It's only clear that they are doing more audios with them. We can't assume anything more than that. Certainly not say that we KNOW we'll get Roz's death, etc.
Similarly whilst it's nice to hear some stories with Benny onboard the TARDIS and some in her own range set afterwards, I'd be surprised if that impacted on the Doctor and Ace stories in the main range.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 17:29:43 GMT
Hasn't it been said "No further plans" for more adaptations after ecember? Doesn't mean they're ending but I wonder if they're going to take a back seat in a post Nu-Who BF world.
Michael, worth remembering that the original authors need to sign off on any adaptation - there are some who BF have already said gave a strict "no" and some who have passed on. We don't know who, of course, has kaiboshed anything but if it's some of the folks who wrote the most arc-heavy "important" VNAs, you wouldn't want to set up too much you couldn't pay off. Similiarly you couldn't resolve something that hasn't been set up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 17:42:05 GMT
I was coming around to the idea that the NAs came before Hex until Signs and Wonders showed that Set Piece, Ground Zero and UNIT: Dominion were all potential futures for Ace. I definitely agree that the character development leans that way. But I'm willing to say that Robin and Jan dredged up a lot of bad memories and feelings for Ace and she never quite got over it until much later. EDIT: also just to clarify I slot Timewyrm and Cat's Cradle in with the BBC PDAs and the early Big Finish stuff. It's only Nightshade through Lungbarrow that forms the NA section of the Seventh Doctor's timeline. Yes, that's pretty much exactly how I sequence them
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 21:50:30 GMT
Hasn't it been said "No further plans" for more adaptations after ecember? Doesn't mean they're ending but I wonder if they're going to take a back seat in a post Nu-Who BF world. Michael, worth remembering that the original authors need to sign off on any adaptation - there are some who BF have already said gave a strict "no" and some who have passed on. We don't know who, of course, has kaiboshed anything but if it's some of the folks who wrote the most arc-heavy "important" VNAs, you wouldn't want to set up too much you couldn't pay off. Similiarly you couldn't resolve something that hasn't been set up. I wasn't aware of that It's an odd move, given The New Adventures of Bernice Summerfield and for the reasons I've stated - introducing those threads, although it's possible The New Adventures of Bernice Summerfield range might take a back seat as well. I'd very much say things have been set up, however (Ace's depature and return, Benny's relationship with Ace, Chris and Roz and their time in the TARDIS) to be followed up on for those new to the material and it be odder if authors involved hadn't been consulted if approval was an issue.
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