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Post by iank on Apr 18, 2016 21:59:26 GMT
I think the whole thing's barmy, to be honest.
The whole point of regeneration was so we could have new actors as the Doctor (and the Master as a consequence) without traditional "recasting" (where we're not supposed to notice).
Having "new" 3rd Doctors and the like... no. Just no.
I just don't have any interest in these, I'm afraid.
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Post by icecreamdf on Apr 18, 2016 23:14:32 GMT
You can't properly represent the Third Doctor's era without the Delgado Master and the Brigadier. Both will have to be recast.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2016 23:34:05 GMT
I'm in the same boat as iank , it's a very hard sell. That being said, if Big Finish can find someone who can mimick that Delgado charm, suave wit and intelligence (Alexander Siddig's performance in Cards on the Table springs to mind), I think you'll find an audience to accept and enjoy the change. The eagerness I feel towards Jemma Powell's incoming turn as Barbara was because it was like seeing a ghost in colour and Elliot Chapman's performance as Ben Jackson was virtually seamless. So, it's not impossible. Just really, really difficult. Like trying to recapture the same stroke of lightning in a different-shaped bottle. The main issue I think isn't vocal authenticity, so much as chemistry between the actors. If the writers can get down the banter as it was on television without simply leeching off of it, then it'll go a long way towards making that leap. |
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Post by constonks on Apr 18, 2016 23:52:59 GMT
Absolutely, as long as the impression is as good as Chapman's Ben Jackson.
We should write in as well, as Nick asked listeners to give their opinion on this exact issue during the most recent podcast.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2016 23:54:14 GMT
You can't properly represent the Third Doctor's era without the Delgado Master and the Brigadier. Both will have to be recast. I think The Brigader really is off the table until those involved in the era and Big Finish say otherwise. I remember reading on another forum that the question had been raised at a convention and to be honest, I was shocked it had even been asked. I think I might have said this before: but perhaps, during the course of an adventure, The Brigader is seen to cross the line Whitehall and is removed and replaced with someone who is more mistrustful of The Doctor (particularly with The Master on Earth) and who disrupts the UNIT family. It'd be a nice way to pay homage to Nicholas Courtney's legacy and create an all-new era for The Third Doctor with significant momentum. |
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Post by constonks on Apr 18, 2016 23:57:14 GMT
You can't properly represent the Third Doctor's era without the Delgado Master and the Brigadier. Both will have to be recast. I think The Brigader really is off the table until those involved in the era and Big Finish say otherwise. I remember reading on another forum that the question had been raised at a convention and to be honest, I was shocked it had even been asked. I think I might have said this before: but perhaps, during the course of an adventure, The Brigader is seen to cross the line Whitehall and is removed and replaced with someone who is more mistrustful of The Doctor (particularly with The Master on Earth) and who disrupts the UNIT family. It'd be a nice way to pay homage to Nicholas Courtney's legacy and create an all-new era with significant momentum. Yes, I actually really like this idea, as I said before. Also wouldn't it be cool if the replacement Brig ends up being a decent person if a little unsuited to UNIT instead of a straight-up bad guy. |
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Post by icecreamdf on Apr 19, 2016 0:41:31 GMT
You can't properly represent the Third Doctor's era without the Delgado Master and the Brigadier. Both will have to be recast. I think The Brigader really is off the table until those involved in the era and Big Finish say otherwise. I remember reading on another forum that the question had been raised at a convention and to be honest, I was shocked it had even been asked. I think I might have said this before: but perhaps, during the course of an adventure, The Brigader is seen to cross the line Whitehall and is removed and replaced with someone who is more mistrustful of The Doctor (particularly with The Master on Earth) and who disrupts the UNIT family. It'd be a nice way to pay homage to Nicholas Courtney's legacy and create an all-new era for The Third Doctor with significant momentum. That might make a good story arc, but ultimately the Brigadier's got to come back. |
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Post by Zagreus on Apr 19, 2016 0:44:42 GMT
Terry Molloy of all people actually does a fairly decent Brig in the Lethbridge-Stuart audiobooks. Wouldn't mind him for some Short Trips or Companion Chronicles, or even "The Narrator" in some Third Doctor Adventures so that he can do his take on the Brig without actually being cast as.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Apr 19, 2016 2:15:45 GMT
If they get Terry Molloy, can that mean we get a UNIT/MI:13 crossover?
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Post by Hieronymus on Apr 19, 2016 4:20:56 GMT
I wouldn't mind a recasting of the Delgado Master, but it's got to be a really good performance.
Roger Delgado put all sorts of character touches into his delivery, and was a terrific actor.
Any actor recast in the role would have to use the same precise grammar and diction, with bold confidence and just a touch of sardonic humor.
Or... could we just have Derek Jacobi do it and pretend he looks like Roger Delgado?
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Post by CookieMaster on Apr 19, 2016 5:14:39 GMT
Put it this way, If I can't tell the difference between the recast actor and the real Delgado's voice, then I have no problems with a recast.
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Post by barnabaslives on Apr 19, 2016 5:28:15 GMT
Once you recast the Doctor, and not in a "actor doing double duty" way like Purves, Russell and Hines, you open the door to recasting everyone. If that's going to be the case I do tend to think it almost begs stepping through that door somewhat cautiously? Peter, Bill and Frazer I accept partly because of seniority, which I think makes Tim Treloar still the very first person to be recast as The Doctor in Big Finish who didn't do original series episodes standing right next to the original actor? I think half of my excitement about 3DAs is still wondering how the experiment will continue to go over with people, though. I about felt like an expectant father when they announced the first box set, there was pacing and bracing for public outcry over sacrilege and at least one sleepless moment, lol. Also recasting Barbara makes me a little nervous, it's another risk but at least I think Jemma Powell has some seniority in my eyes also for An Adventure in Space and Time. I know that isn't the same thing but I found that production extremely moving nonetheless - (so much so that I immediately resolved to purchase any remaining 1st Doctor stories from Big Finish). |
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Post by elgranto on Apr 19, 2016 5:31:11 GMT
It'd be far more simple for BF to create a new incarnation of the Master rather than recast Delgado, so I expect that to be the likely route if they go along with it.
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Post by acousticwolf on Apr 19, 2016 7:53:31 GMT
A difficult one this, recasts can work really well if the actors don't try and imitate the original actor but play it in the style of the original actor (Peter Purves, William Russell for Hartnell and Ben Chapman for Michael Craze), they have the essence of the character without it being a direct imitation. Very rarely can you get someone who plays it "in the style" of the original actor and sound almost perfect. Frazer Hines in my mind, is the only one who pulls this off (more so than David Troughton and Richard Hurndall), but Hines has "authenticity" as he played opposite the "original". Trelor does a very good third doctor, but again he is mainly playing it in the style of Pertwee rather than trying a direct impersonation (although he does sound rather good).
To many Delgado is the master and I'm not sure it would work having someone impersonate him, I think they best they could do would be to recast someone who plays it in the same style and I'm not sure there is anybody who could play it that way - Delgado had a unique style that would be very difficult to copy.
However, I thought Ben Miller was brilliant as the Sheriff of Nottingham in Robot of Sherwood and could quite easily have been the Master ...
Perhaps they should try to squeeze another incarnation instead.
Cheers
Tony
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Apr 19, 2016 8:07:32 GMT
Ben Miller could almost have been AA's Giggles Master.
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Post by aztec on Apr 19, 2016 11:18:20 GMT
I don't personally follow the 3DA's but I agree with most of the sentiments above-The Master was such a pivotal part of Pertwee's era something would feel missing if he didn't appear in at least a couple of the new stories, providing whoever is theoretically cast in the part does a decent impersonation/interpretation of Delgrado I don't see a huge problem (though on the other hand not having too many Master stories might give BF more freedom to take the 3rd Doctor to new places), creating a new incarnation of the Master for the 3DA is an interesting idea and would give BF more freedom in some ways, but it could risk undermining the onscreen relationship between Pertwee and Delgrado, and it could be a step too far for some listeners making the series feel less official...
-Maybe they could just save the Master for any future 3rd Doctor companion chronicles?
It's definitely too early to recast the Brig, though I wouldn't mind in they brought him back in companion chronicles or short trips though narration (this could be a decent compromise to get him in some New Series Who stories)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2016 11:45:46 GMT
I'd be happier with a recast Colonel Faraday (who filled in while the Brig was away in 'The Android Invasion') than a recast Brigadier.
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Post by aztec on Apr 19, 2016 11:53:30 GMT
I'd be happier with a recast Colonel Faraday (who filled in while the Brig was away in 'The Android Invasion') than a recast Brigadier. ...I don't think Colonel Faraday would be a big selling point, from memory the character was so generic there wouldn't be much point in recasting him anyway i.m.o Big Finish might just be better off creating their own very different sort of UNIT officer filling in for the Brig whilst he's stuck in geneva (again)... It's a shame they lost the license for Prose short trips as new stories with the Master, Brigadier, Sarah Jane et al would probably be easier to market as they could avoid the issues surrounding recasting... |
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Post by mbt66 on Apr 19, 2016 21:13:06 GMT
It depends what Big Finish want to do with the 3DAs. If it is just about nostalgia then they will have to re-cast the Master, but if they are wanting to explore the Third Doctor as if Jon was still playing the part then I think it would be more interesting for Big Finish to fill in the time between Jo and Sarah Jane. A new companion and a new Master would be very interesting pieces to play with.
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Post by dasmaniac on Apr 19, 2016 21:24:35 GMT
It'd be neat to see a new incarnation in between Delgado and Pratt/Beevers. Not sure what he'd be like though. I suppose a younger looking man might be neat.
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