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Post by redsharkJason on Feb 11, 2020 2:50:36 GMT
[2010] Main Range #140 - Doctor Who: A Death in the Family CD is out of print!
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Post by redsharkJason on Feb 11, 2020 2:58:25 GMT
[2009] Main Range #127 - Doctor Who: Castle of Fear CD is out of print!
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Feb 11, 2020 3:45:14 GMT
If you are a new convert to BF and are a physical copy mainly, now is not a good time to start.!
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Post by frisby78 on Feb 11, 2020 11:48:32 GMT
If you are a new convert to BF and are a physical copy mainly, now is not a good time to start.! That is a valid point actually. I wonder if they are losing any potential customers if they don't have a physical option.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Feb 11, 2020 12:48:09 GMT
[2001] The Treason Show - A Bit of Treason on the Side CD is out of print! Finally lmao
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Feb 11, 2020 12:48:59 GMT
Okay my Ebay Wishlist is filling up now
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Post by frisby78 on Feb 11, 2020 13:13:13 GMT
[2001] The Treason Show - A Bit of Treason on the Side CD is out of print! Finally lmao I found it quite humerus, but I am odd. 😁
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Post by polly on Feb 11, 2020 23:57:20 GMT
If you are a new convert to BF and are a physical copy mainly, now is not a good time to start.! That is a valid point actually. I wonder if they are losing any potential customers if they don't have a physical option. I'm sure there are some but in this day and age I kind of doubt it's many. Audible and iTunes and so forth are well established successes and I think that most people are accustomed to buying music and other audio digitally. If they pay for it at all, that is. Those for whom a lack of physical copies are a dealbreaker are likely a minority who don't outweigh the cost of reprints.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Feb 11, 2020 23:59:24 GMT
That is a valid point actually. I wonder if they are losing any potential customers if they don't have a physical option. I'm sure there are some but in this day and age I kind of doubt it's many. Audible and iTunes and so forth are well established successes and I think that most people are accustomed to buying music and other audio digitally. If they pay for it at all, that is. Those for whom a lack of physical copies are a dealbreaker are likely a minority who don't outweigh the cost of reprints. I will very politely and respectfully disagree with you At the local monopoly music place here in Australia, there is always a huge lineup of physical cd/vinyl/dvd/bluray etc purchasers. It isn't going away anytime soon
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Post by polly on Feb 12, 2020 0:12:49 GMT
I'm sure there are some but in this day and age I kind of doubt it's many. Audible and iTunes and so forth are well established successes and I think that most people are accustomed to buying music and other audio digitally. If they pay for it at all, that is. Those for whom a lack of physical copies are a dealbreaker are likely a minority who don't outweigh the cost of reprints. I will very politely and respectfully disagree with you At the local monopoly music place here in Australia, there is always a huge lineup of physical cd/vinyl/dvd/bluray etc purchasers. It isn't going away anytime soon I don't think physical media in general will go away, either. I still buy all my TV and movies and video games on disc. It's just that in my experience most casual people don't care how they get their media as long as it's convenient for them. It's nerds like us who do, and I think that's probably where physical media will end up - an enthusiast market like laserdisc was and like the resurrected vinyl format is. So doing one print run for said enthusiasts and then leaving digital for the rest makes a certain degree of sense to me. And I don't think it would be too much of a deterrent.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 0:43:14 GMT
I will very politely and respectfully disagree with you At the local monopoly music place here in Australia, there is always a huge lineup of physical cd/vinyl/dvd/bluray etc purchasers. It isn't going away anytime soon I don't think physical media in general will go away, either. I still buy all my TV and movies and video games on disc. It's just that in my experience most casual people don't care how they get their media as long as it's convenient for them. It's nerds like us who do, and I think that's probably where physical media will end up - an enthusiast market like laserdisc was and like the resurrected vinyl format is. So doing one print run for said enthusiasts and then leaving digital for the rest makes a certain degree of sense to me. And I don't think it would be too much of a deterrent. You're absolutely right, physical media is indeed in decline and anecdotal "well, one shop near me does well..." doesn't mean anything in a worldwide industry of media struggling to justify many releases. There are many new films who don't go to bluray now at all much less 4K, including Doctor Who which dropped the 4K releases after one Capaldi special. The US doesn't get any of the Who animations on bluray. Many bands don't release anywhere near as much new music as they would have years ago since they get so little from it that touring is really their only income. It's never been easier to get a book published but the amount of authors making (literally) pennies from their work compared to what they would in the era of the thriving bookstore only a few years ago is shocking. Yet you nail exactly where physical media is indeed thriving - smaller runs sold directly and quickly to existing dedicated fanbases. That's why the UK classic Who blurays are limited - to sell faster but with guaranteed upfront sales. Ditto with countless boutique bluray labels who are thriving with limited editions - Arrow, Indicator, BFI, Scream/Shout and many others. Or bands now releasing massive "Super Deluxe" editions at £100 with all the bells and whistles, selling a lot less in volume but faster and to the existing diehards just like BF's vinyl or the BBC's soundtrack releases. They're not saving the physical media market. BF are doing this exact same thing now with them already indicating that the time between a CD release and it going out of print will be lesser than it was for their first 20 years. We see limited runs of Class, or the BF originals and Dorian (initially) being download only. Things are only going to go further in that direction, Nick's even taken to saying it's not just for cost reasons but environmental ones that they'd rather sell downloads over hard copies. Audio Watchdog and I discuss this all the time geeking out about movies coming to bluray - the market for deluxe editions, with big booklets and multiple commentaries and documentaries is relatively huge for the cultiest of cult films. Yet mainstream movies struggle massively compared to where they stood a decade ago and certainly 15-20 years ago. I'm a massive physical media buyer - I get albums, books and movies almost daily never mind weekly - but physical media in general to "casuals" is indeed just not what it was even 10 years ago. When I go to FOPP before work, I work with some people in their 20s who just can't fathom why anyone would possibly want to buy a film. Just "wait till it's on Netflix or download it". The hunger for media is still huge...the amount of people willing to actually pay for it? Not quite so big!
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Post by frisby78 on Feb 12, 2020 7:37:51 GMT
I so think the environmental argument that Nick has raised recently is slightly spurious to be blunt. The majority of people who buy CDs are going to keep them, it's not going to be added to any rubbish or waste.
The poll on BFs FB page recently asked CD or download. And it was 54% in favour of CD. I don't think the CD releases are going anywhere soon, especially when you consider they have previously orders up to 2023.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Feb 12, 2020 8:14:15 GMT
I so think the environmental argument that Nick has raised recently is slightly spurious to be blunt. The majority of people who buy CDs are going to keep them, it's not going to be added to any rubbish or waste. The poll on BFs FB page recently asked CD or download. And it was 54% in favour of CD. I don't think the CD releases are going anywhere soon, especially when you consider they have previously orders up to 2023.
Exactly, what about all the electricity it takes to download?..
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Post by shutupbanks on Feb 12, 2020 9:07:34 GMT
I so think the environmental argument that Nick has raised recently is slightly spurious to be blunt. The majority of people who buy CDs are going to keep them, it's not going to be added to any rubbish or waste. The poll on BFs FB page recently asked CD or download. And it was 54% in favour of CD. I don't think the CD releases are going anywhere soon, especially when you consider they have previously orders up to 2023.
Exactly, what about all the electricity it takes to download?..
Environmentally, it's more about the waste generated during production rather than the consumption. Then you have the carbon miles accumulating from delivery - especially for those of us on the other side of the world. The state of media is an interesting one. I'm a huge fan of books: I spend roughly a week's wages over the course of a year on Folio Society editions of books but I'm also a fan of Golden Age Sf, a lot of which can really only be found in e-book editions these days so I think the market can support physical and digital artifacts but it's going to be a few more years before it settles in a way that people will be able to make accurate predictions about what the market for one particular thing over another might be... and then the Next Big Thing will come around and change things appreciably again. The fact that we can get our stuff in so many different formats is, quite frankly, just a damned miracle to me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 9:24:52 GMT
Exactly, what about all the electricity it takes to download?.. Environmentally, it's more about the waste generated during production rather than the consumption. Then you have the carbon miles accumulating from delivery - especially for those of us on the other side of the world. The state of media is an interesting one. I'm a huge fan of books: I spend roughly a week's wages over the course of a year on Folio Society editions of books but I'm also a fan of Golden Age Sf, a lot of which can really only be found in e-book editions these days so I think the market can support physical and digital artifacts but it's going to be a few more years before it settles in a way that people will be able to make accurate predictions about what the market for one particular thing over another might be... and then the Next Big Thing will come around and change things appreciably again. The fact that we can get our stuff in so many different formats is, quite frankly, just a damned miracle to me. Oh, I have a story in that vein. A friend of mine used to work in one of the more prominent bookstores in the city. Freshly minted bestsellers could usually be found there. What they tended to do after a certain point with the books that didn't sell after a certain number of days was that they'd take them off the shelves, out of their boxes and rip them in half. That was company policy. From spine to page number. De-covered and mangled. Hundreds upon hundreds of copies. So, they couldn't be picked up by a competitor or sold on as secondhand stock. It's an absurdly common practice apparently and it makes my skin crawl just thinking about it. It's little wonder that storefronts are disappearing with a policy like that enshrined in their commerce. The waste is appalling.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Feb 12, 2020 9:33:04 GMT
Environmentally, it's more about the waste generated during production rather than the consumption. Then you have the carbon miles accumulating from delivery - especially for those of us on the other side of the world. The state of media is an interesting one. I'm a huge fan of books: I spend roughly a week's wages over the course of a year on Folio Society editions of books but I'm also a fan of Golden Age Sf, a lot of which can really only be found in e-book editions these days so I think the market can support physical and digital artifacts but it's going to be a few more years before it settles in a way that people will be able to make accurate predictions about what the market for one particular thing over another might be... and then the Next Big Thing will come around and change things appreciably again. The fact that we can get our stuff in so many different formats is, quite frankly, just a damned miracle to me. Oh, I have a story in that vein. A friend of mine used to work in one of the more prominent bookstores in the city. Freshly minted bestsellers could usually be found there. What they tended to do after a certain point with the books that didn't sell after a certain number of days was that they'd take them off the shelves, out of their boxes and rip them in half. That was company policy. From spine to page number. De-covered and mangled. Hundreds upon hundreds of copies. So, they couldn't be picked up by a competitor or sold on as secondhand stock. It's an absurdly common practice apparently and it makes my skin crawl just thinking about it. It's little wonder that storefronts are disappearing with a policy like that enshrined in their commerce. The waste is appalling. We have had about 3-5 major book store chains close in Australia over the last few years.. It's literally cheaper for me to buy books from Book Depository in UK then at the "QBD" book store chain of shops 5 minutes down the road.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 10:06:28 GMT
Oh, I have a story in that vein. A friend of mine used to work in one of the more prominent bookstores in the city. Freshly minted bestsellers could usually be found there. What they tended to do after a certain point with the books that didn't sell after a certain number of days was that they'd take them off the shelves, out of their boxes and rip them in half. That was company policy. From spine to page number. De-covered and mangled. Hundreds upon hundreds of copies. So, they couldn't be picked up by a competitor or sold on as secondhand stock. It's an absurdly common practice apparently and it makes my skin crawl just thinking about it. It's little wonder that storefronts are disappearing with a policy like that enshrined in their commerce. The waste is appalling. We have had about 3-5 major book store chains close in Australia over the last few years.. It's literally cheaper for me to buy books from Book Depository in UK then at the "QBD" book store chain of shops 5 minutes down the road. Right? For no readily discernable reason. I'm assuming tariffs, but I'm amazed that it's cheaper to purchase something on another continent and fly it here than physically pick it up from a shelf and walk home with it. It's not just books either. I was in the supermarket a while back, looking at gourmet cheese for $65-70AUD and thinking... No one's going to buy all this. No one here has the money or inclination, so it's all going to end up in a dumpster at the back of the store. It and perfectly good food like it. By the truckload. There's something fundamentally wonky with trying to use a supply to force a demand, rather than vice versa.
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Post by number13 on Feb 12, 2020 11:34:56 GMT
Environmentally, it's more about the waste generated during production rather than the consumption. Then you have the carbon miles accumulating from delivery - especially for those of us on the other side of the world. The state of media is an interesting one. I'm a huge fan of books: I spend roughly a week's wages over the course of a year on Folio Society editions of books but I'm also a fan of Golden Age Sf, a lot of which can really only be found in e-book editions these days so I think the market can support physical and digital artifacts but it's going to be a few more years before it settles in a way that people will be able to make accurate predictions about what the market for one particular thing over another might be... and then the Next Big Thing will come around and change things appreciably again. The fact that we can get our stuff in so many different formats is, quite frankly, just a damned miracle to me. Oh, I have a story in that vein. A friend of mine used to work in one of the more prominent bookstores in the city. Freshly minted bestsellers could usually be found there. What they tended to do after a certain point with the books that didn't sell after a certain number of days was that they'd take them off the shelves, out of their boxes and rip them in half. That was company policy. From spine to page number. De-covered and mangled. Hundreds upon hundreds of copies. So, they couldn't be picked up by a competitor or sold on as secondhand stock. It's an absurdly common practice apparently and it makes my skin crawl just thinking about it. It's little wonder that storefronts are disappearing with a policy like that enshrined in their commerce. The waste is appalling. You're sure it wasn't insightful literary criticism expressed as performance art?
Seriously, that is ridiculous. Whatever happened to returning excess stock to meet its doom in the dreaded netherworld of the 'remaindered'?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 12:01:49 GMT
Oh, I have a story in that vein. A friend of mine used to work in one of the more prominent bookstores in the city. Freshly minted bestsellers could usually be found there. What they tended to do after a certain point with the books that didn't sell after a certain number of days was that they'd take them off the shelves, out of their boxes and rip them in half. That was company policy. From spine to page number. De-covered and mangled. Hundreds upon hundreds of copies. So, they couldn't be picked up by a competitor or sold on as secondhand stock. It's an absurdly common practice apparently and it makes my skin crawl just thinking about it. It's little wonder that storefronts are disappearing with a policy like that enshrined in their commerce. The waste is appalling. You're sure it wasn't insightful literary criticism expressed as performance art?
Seriously, that is ridiculous. Whatever happended to returning excess stock to meet its doom in the dreaded netherworld of the 'remaindered'?
Oh, could you imagine...?
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Post by shutupbanks on Feb 12, 2020 12:24:24 GMT
Oh, I have a story in that vein. A friend of mine used to work in one of the more prominent bookstores in the city. Freshly minted bestsellers could usually be found there. What they tended to do after a certain point with the books that didn't sell after a certain number of days was that they'd take them off the shelves, out of their boxes and rip them in half. That was company policy. From spine to page number. De-covered and mangled. Hundreds upon hundreds of copies. So, they couldn't be picked up by a competitor or sold on as secondhand stock. It's an absurdly common practice apparently and it makes my skin crawl just thinking about it. It's little wonder that storefronts are disappearing with a policy like that enshrined in their commerce. The waste is appalling. We have had about 3-5 major book store chains close in Australia over the last few years.. It's literally cheaper for me to buy books from Book Depository in UK then at the "QBD" book store chain of shops 5 minutes down the road. Same: I’m not a difficult person to by books for (it’s just that as I get older it seems that nobody can write anything good anymore) but quite a lot of the time I have to have something that I want ordered in (I’m talking things like thrillers or fantasy novels, not anything truly obscure) and Australia’s diminishing bookstores, who I would much prefer to support, often just work as a middleman to that end. And Amazon’s extortive retorts to our laughable “import laws” - written, I’ll add, purely as a sop to the likes of Gerry Harvey - make it even harder.
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