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Post by mrperson on Apr 22, 2016 14:21:15 GMT
I suppose impersonation just doesn't appeal to me.
[Edit: Oh, what the hell. I have $25 to spare on entertainment for a US download at the moment, so I decided to give Tim Treloar and the concept of recasting a chance....]
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Post by Digi on Apr 22, 2016 14:21:40 GMT
No recasting, period. I know the folks at Big Finish are doing these things with the best of intentions, but I think it's disrespectful to the actors who are no longer with us. Maybe I'm being overly harsh, but to me it feels exploitative to hire an actor to impersonate a beloved actor and character, just to sell some more units. If the story needs to be told, go to prose and let imagination do the work. Even though I'm in favour of cautious and tactful recasting integration, I don't outright disagree with your adamant comments. Do your convictions against recasting apply to you refusing to purchase a Big Finish audio product with what you currently so much oppose? Correct, yes. I've steered well clear of the Early Adventures and the 3DA set, to name two. And I do find myself bristling when it happens in other releases, like the Second Doctor appearing in Return to Telos. I'm not going to tell you or anyone else that you shouldn't be buying and enjoying these stories. Everybody's money and tastes are their to spend and feel as they like. For me, it just rubs the wrong way and feels inappropriate. I would not knowingly buy into recasts, and don't count them as part of my 'head canon.'
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Post by Digi on Apr 22, 2016 14:24:36 GMT
As you are particularly a fan of the Third Doctor, did you not enjoy Tim Treloar's faithful re-enactment of Jon Pertwee's presence in The Third Doctor Adventures? Is Katy Manning's and Richard Franklin's narration of the Third Doctor your only option preference? Nope. The Third Doctor is Jon Pertwee and always will be, other actors pretending to be his Doctor doesn't appeal to me. We are all different I know, but that's my view. I reckon we have enough livng Doctors to be making stories with when it comes to full-cast Doctor Who stories. When Big Finish started their appeal was Doctor Who stories with the original actors reprising their TV roles on audio. Jon Pertwee was dead so I didn't expect or require Third Doctor audios. Now anybody can be a Doctor, but other actors playing classic Doctors would not have got Big Finish off the ground. If people enjoy them, that's fine, but Tim Treloar is obviously not the Third Doctor so why would I bother with Third Doctor audios? Tim Treloar might be a good actor but he is only a fan fiction Doctor... which is pretty much what the BF Third Doctor audios are. Precisely this. Tim Treloar may be a spectacular actor in his own right (I wouldn't know, I haven't bought the 3DA set). And I understand he is an actor who needs work to be creatively fulfilled and earn the money to put a roof over his head, feed his family, etc. I have no disrespect for him at all. But he most assuredly is not the Third Doctor.
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Post by bobod on Apr 22, 2016 14:37:02 GMT
Even though I'm in favour of cautious and tactful recasting integration, I don't outright disagree with your adamant comments. Do your convictions against recasting apply to you refusing to purchase a Big Finish audio product with what you currently so much oppose? Correct, yes. I've steered well clear of the Early Adventures and the 3DA set, to name two. And I do find myself bristling when it happens in other releases, like the Second Doctor appearing in Return to Telos. I'm not going to tell you or anyone else that you shouldn't be buying and enjoying these stories. Everybody's money and tastes are their to spend and feel as they like. For me, it just rubs the wrong way and feels inappropriate. I would not knowingly buy into recasts, and don't count them as part of my 'head canon.' Not to in any way tell you you're wrong (or right) to feel like this but, just out of curiosity, how are you with The Five Doctors and Richard Hurndall?
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Post by Digi on Apr 22, 2016 14:48:28 GMT
It's been a few years since I've watched it, but I find that odd as well. He stands out like a sore thumb, not least of which is because I don't think he even looks like Hartnell. Sort of looks like they just found another older actor, stuck him in some similar clothes, and hoped for the best.
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Post by Ela on Apr 22, 2016 15:04:10 GMT
In general I'm all in favour. it only really seems to have become an issue in more recent years, when I was young, recasting was just part of life, especially in audio. My favourite version of Star Wars is the radio adaptation, and they recast half of the roles. Oh, the audio version of Star Wars is wonderful. Agreed.
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Post by hackmodford on Apr 22, 2016 15:05:49 GMT
I'm all for recasting if the original actor is dead. I wouldn't, for example, want a recast of the 9th doctor.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 16:01:29 GMT
I'm all for recasting if the original actor is dead. I wouldn't, for example, want a recast of the 9th doctor. I wouldn't mind actually, if it was done with the original actor's consent, and the replacement was very good.
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Post by Ela on Apr 22, 2016 16:29:58 GMT
I'm all for recasting if the original actor is dead. I wouldn't, for example, want a recast of the 9th doctor. I wouldn't mind actually, if it was done with the original actor's consent, and the replacement was very good. Yeah, if a substantial amount of time goes by and Chris Eccleston still does not want to reprise his role as the Ninth Doctor and agrees to a replacement, I'd be in favor.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 16:35:51 GMT
Nope. The Third Doctor is Jon Pertwee and always will be. Precisely this. Tim Treloar may be a spectacular actor in his own right . But he most assuredly is not the Third Doctor. I agree 100%.
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Post by jasonward on Apr 22, 2016 16:36:05 GMT
I'm not in favour of recasting living actors, not out of any sense of morality or it being the right thing, but because so long as they are alive their is always a chance they will agree to come back, Tom Baker is but one person that's done this, Janet Feilding another, I'm sure there have been others and will be more in future and I'd rather hold out for "the real thing" so to speak, whilst it's still something that's possible regardless of how unlikely it seems.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 16:53:54 GMT
I'm not in favour of recasting living actors, not out of any sense of morality or it being the right thing, but because so long as they are alive their is always a chance they will agree to come back, Tom Baker is but one person that's done this, Janet Feilding another, I'm sure there have been others and will be more in future and I'd rather hold out for "the real thing" so to speak, whilst it's still something that's possible regardless of how unlikely it seems. Yet in the meantime we get nothing at all. If you look at the Blakes 7 situation that leaves Josette Simon as a real blocker on full cast audios. If she was to say "just recast the part" then I'd be happy. The alternative at the moment would seem to be either no Blakes 7 or "oh that characters gone on holiday" type stories again, which weats thin after a while.
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Post by redsharkJason on Apr 22, 2016 18:35:42 GMT
It's been a few years since I've watched it, but I find that odd as well. He stands out like a sore thumb, not least of which is because I don't think he even looks like Hartnell. Sort of looks like they just found another older actor, stuck him in some similar clothes, and hoped for the best. I wonder if the Doctor's wig was at least authentic. LOL Seriously though, I definitely can appreciate your well thought out convictions. The main attraction of Big Finish audios for me is the utilization of a character's original actor; however, whenever reasonably possible (and that's where we vary). Agreed, Tim Treloar is not the Third TV Doctor. For those of you dabbling with accepting recasting, what Treloar does provide in The Third Doctor Adventures (while being bolstered by 2 other canon actors) is a convincing positive experience illusion that Jon Perwee is actually there.
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Post by iank on Apr 22, 2016 21:25:02 GMT
I've heard the trailer. He sounds absolutely nothing like him!
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Post by barnabaslives on Apr 22, 2016 23:09:53 GMT
I guess I'd be the odd person who's still not very certain about recasting even though I really enjoy the EDAs and 3DAs thus far. I think that's sort of a natural progression, though - the Companion Chronicles and Short Trips essentially "recast" the reader as The Doctor at least for a few lines here and there. I think Hines, Russell and Purves are particularly good at it and it happens to be viable so that's slowly and respectfully grown into something more (I like Katy Manning's impression of the Third Doctor in the CCs a lot but it's probably not as viable to recast her as Pertwee in 3DAs)... so by then Big Finish is able to offer full casts of Doctors 1-8 except 3, so I was very happy when the 3DAs were announced, whereas if it had just come out of the blue at me I'm not as sure how well I would have taken it.
I think Tim really has done a fine job of bringing the Third Doctor to life for Big Finish and so far I've really enjoyed it. Seems hard to tell how it's doing as an experiment though - starting with when the trailer first came out, there seems to be a mix of comments that he sounds just like Pertwee and also that he doesn't sound very much like Pertwee at all, so I guess it's sort of an individual thing? Personally I think Tim struck a very good balance between the two - sort of that he doesn't try to make me think he's Jon Pertwee, but he does succeed nonetheless at making me think he's Third Doctor - which I guess is basically how things work with for me with the First and Second Doctor recastings also.
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Post by christmastrenzalore on Apr 23, 2016 0:08:05 GMT
For special occasions, yes, like with "The Light at the End" or "The Last Adventure", but the whole point of regeneration was that we always have new people to take the reigns of show. I know that now it's more like a collection of eras, each with their own tones and character dynamics, and I think its OK for actors of the time to take on the role of story teller in the style of Companion Chronicles, but if all the original cast members pass, I think it's for the best to focus on the living actors, or just like Companion Chronicles, only have narrated stories. The thought of a full cast of actors replacing the original cast, that were themselves replaced by new actors as the show went on just feels on off concept to me.
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Post by Zagreus on Apr 23, 2016 0:40:30 GMT
I've heard the trailer. He sounds absolutely nothing like him! I find it amusing that people also said this of the fake trailer that came out ahead of the official one... People were going on and on about how this Treloar bloke sounded nothing like Pertwee, and then it was revealed that this fake trailer was actually using voice clips of Pertwee himself! People hear what they want to hear.
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Post by iank on Apr 23, 2016 1:56:01 GMT
Um, no. Jon Culshaw actually does a spot-on Pertwee (more accurate than his more famous Tom, to be honest) but Treloar sounds utterly unlike Jon.
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Post by agentten on Apr 23, 2016 2:11:10 GMT
I just heard The Kingmaker this week and was so convinced by Jon Culshaw's impression of Baker that I had to check the internet to be sure if it was or wasn't Baker.
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Post by redsharkJason on Apr 23, 2016 2:12:54 GMT
What do Big Finish Dark Shadows fans think about the recast of Barnabas Collins in Kingdom of the Dead, Bloodlust, The Curse of Shurafa etc.? For a character whose presence was so prominent in the original TV series is it ever odd or inconvenient not to hear more Big Finish stories that would include Barnabas? Are there other instances where Dark Shadows characters have been allocated to non-original actors within a Big Finish production?
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