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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2018 0:58:26 GMT
It was very clearly the Delgado Master: Although "two and a half bodies" doesn't ring true either with UNIT: Dominion. I think Legacy is just an aberrant timeline at this point - Susan's life doesn't match, the Master doesn't match... I'm willing to say someone messed with something along the way. Maybe the Monk, maybe the Master, maybe another time traveler altogether. Ah damn, well we have plenty of retcons that could wipe it from history. Faction Paradox, Council of Eight , Romana's temporal messing in Enemy Lines, the Time War... He could be wearing one of his trademark masks. A Town Called Eternity initially appears to be a story about the Ainley Master, and it is, but when his face gets ripped off... Well, he's very close to the Beevers Master after that point. Badly burned by his experiences on Sarn.
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Post by sherlock on Jan 22, 2019 16:42:01 GMT
River Song 5 {Spoiler} The Bekdel Test could be either before or after Series 8 for Missy. River speculates at one point that Missy’s met the Doctor in the future, but Missy doesn’t confirm or deny. The only really firm statement is that she mentions having a TARDIS, which she doesn’t seem to have in Series 9.
Animal Instinct could be anywhere in crispy Master’s life. He makes no reference to any other stories.
The Lifeboat and the Deathboat follows on from the Movie. How it fits with Mastermind or DWM comics is anyone’s guess.
Concealed Weapon is sometime between The Master of Callous and Only the Good.
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Post by Whovitt on Feb 13, 2019 11:20:15 GMT
Having only recently listened to both stories, I have a theory about reconciling The Lifeboat and the Deathboat and Mastermind. {Spoiler} As the Master is only telling his story under interrogation in Mastermind (an interrogation that was ultimately simply an escape plan for him), what's to say that he was telling the truth? He could have made up any old story. Besides, by pretending that he didn't escape in his Bruce body, that's one less body that UNIT are aware of and would allow that version of him to act more freely (only on Earth, of course) with a significantly lower level of risk of being detected. It's not a great explanation, but it works well enough. I'm not sure whether I read somewhere that there were some written Short Trips that backed up his story though? If that's the case, then add this to the pile of dead-in-the-water theories
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Post by sherlock on Feb 13, 2019 11:26:44 GMT
Having only recently listened to both stories, I have a theory about reconciling The Lifeboat and the Deathboat and Mastermind. {Spoiler} As the Master is only telling his story under interrogation in Mastermind (an interrogation that was ultimately simply an escape plan for him), what's to say that he was telling the truth? He could have made up any old story. Besides, by pretending that he didn't escape in his Bruce body, that's one less body that UNIT are aware of and would allow that version of him to act more freely (only on Earth, of course) with a significantly lower level of risk of being detected. It's not a great explanation, but it works well enough. I'm not sure whether I read somewhere that there were some written Short Trips that backed up his story though? If that's the case, then add this to the pile of dead-in-the-water theories His story is documented in The Centenarian collection, specifically this story: tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forgotten_(short_story)
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Feb 13, 2019 11:27:46 GMT
Having only recently listened to both stories, I have a theory about reconciling The Lifeboat and the Deathboat and Mastermind. {Spoiler} As the Master is only telling his story under interrogation in Mastermind (an interrogation that was ultimately simply an escape plan for him), what's to say that he was telling the truth? He could have made up any old story. Besides, by pretending that he didn't escape in his Bruce body, that's one less body that UNIT are aware of and would allow that version of him to act more freely (only on Earth, of course) with a significantly lower level of risk of being detected. It's not a great explanation, but it works well enough. I'm not sure whether I read somewhere that there were some written Short Trips that backed up his story though? If that's the case, then add this to the pile of dead-in-the-water theories Yeah, a story called Forgotten in the Short Trips anthology, The Centenarian depicted his escape from the Eye of Harmony. Mastermind references this and his story picks up immediately where Forgotten left off.
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Post by Whovitt on Feb 13, 2019 14:21:08 GMT
Oh well... Thanks guys I've seen other people's theories of how they both fit (something to do with comics, I think), but I think that's all I can add to the debate.
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Post by mark687 on Mar 28, 2019 12:33:51 GMT
Today's news could make this section interesting reading at the end of the year
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Post by Jeedai on Apr 1, 2019 7:23:15 GMT
Re: The Missy Chronicles: "Dismemberment" should go pretty soon after the Simm Master regenerates into her. She starts the story trying to engage in a post-regeneration tradition. "Lords and Masters," "Teddy Sparkles Must Die" and "The Lair, the Glitch and the War-Zone" could possibly go before the Missy audio box set because she has her normal, black-interiored Tardis in those stories, and the audios all build up to her destroying it to power up the Master Tardis
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Post by sherlock on Jul 3, 2019 14:52:38 GMT
Rage of the Time Lords occurs after The Master of Callous and before Only the Good. Concealed Weapon from River Song 5 occurs sometime between episodes 1 and 3 of Rage of the Time Lords.
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Post by mark687 on Jul 7, 2019 15:28:04 GMT
Scott Handcock himself says
Slip Concealed Weapon between eps 2 and 3 of Rage for extra fun!
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Post by Digi on Jul 7, 2019 16:22:39 GMT
Scott Handcock himself says Slip Concealed Weapon between eps 2 and 3 of Rage for extra fun! Source:
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Oct 9, 2019 13:56:51 GMT
{Ravenous 4 Planet of Dust / Day of the Master spoilers } Roberts Master Day of the Master seems to be the first time the Master encounters the Doctor since the TV movie, but who knows. At the end, Jacobi and Missy conspire to wipe his memory and throw him back into the Time vortex in order to keep the timeline in order.
Beevers Master Planet of Dust is after Mastermind, the Master is dying finally and refers to his time in the Eye of Harmony. He says that he escaped for some time in Bruce’s body but got drawn back in eventually, so that confirms that the Master does in fact have multiple stints in the Eye of Harmony. He also mentions that he found a permanent way out eventually. He is killed by the Ravenous at the end. Then in Day of the Master, the other three Masters who are working with the CIA, get permission to ressurect the Beevers Master from his predicament with a new regeneration cycle. Missy says “Hello You” to the new incarnation, so it’s Macqueen. They also mention in Planet of Dust that the Tzun was one of the ways that the Master previously escaped death, along with the Traken source, the Cheetah virus and the deathworm Morphant.
Jacobi Master Not really anything to go on. He’s got his TARDIS and he makes a veiled reference to coming from the Time War. I’m sure we’ll have a better idea of where it fits once the last War Master set comes out.
Missy She’s using a vortex manipulator, which is her main mode of transportation and refers directly to River Song, so I’m guessing this is after their meeting, although obviously Missy had already met her before so it doesn’t have to be. I’d put it between Series 9 and Missy Series 1.
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Post by mark687 on Oct 9, 2019 14:32:49 GMT
{Ravenous 4 Planet of Dust / Day of the Master spoilers } Roberts Master Day of the Master seems to be the first time the Master encounters the Doctor since the TV movie, but who knows. At the end, Jacobi and Missy conspire to wipe his memory and throw him back into the Time vortex in order to keep the timeline in order.
Beevers Master Planet of Dust is after Mastermind, the Master is dying finally and refers to his time in the Eye of Harmony. He says that he escaped for some time in Bruce’s body but got drawn back in eventually, so that confirms that the Master does in fact have multiple stints in the Eye of Harmony. He also mentions that he found a permanent way out eventually. He is killed by the Ravenous at the end. Then in Day of the Master, the other three Masters who are working with the CIA, get permission to ressurect the Beevers Master from his predicament with a new regeneration cycle. Missy says “Hello You” to the new incarnation, so it’s Macqueen. They also mention in Planet of Dust that the Tzun was one of the ways that the Master previously escaped death, along with the Traken source, the Cheetah virus and the deathworm Morphant.
Jacobi Master Not really anything to go on. He’s got his TARDIS and he makes a veiled reference to coming from the Time War. I’m sure we’ll have a better idea of where it fits once the last War Master set comes out.
Missy She’s using a vortex manipulator, which is her main mode of transportation and refers directly to River Song, so I’m guessing this is after their meeting, although obviously Missy had already met her before so it doesn’t have to be. I’d put it between Series 9 and Missy Series 1.
The end of Day of the Master will make it clear [/p]
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Oct 9, 2019 16:27:04 GMT
{Ravenous 4 Planet of Dust / Day of the Master spoilers } Roberts Master Day of the Master seems to be the first time the Master encounters the Doctor since the TV movie, but who knows. At the end, Jacobi and Missy conspire to wipe his memory and throw him back into the Time vortex in order to keep the timeline in order.
Beevers Master Planet of Dust is after Mastermind, the Master is dying finally and refers to his time in the Eye of Harmony. He says that he escaped for some time in Bruce’s body but got drawn back in eventually, so that confirms that the Master does in fact have multiple stints in the Eye of Harmony. He also mentions that he found a permanent way out eventually. He is killed by the Ravenous at the end. Then in Day of the Master, the other three Masters who are working with the CIA, get permission to ressurect the Beevers Master from his predicament with a new regeneration cycle. Missy says “Hello You” to the new incarnation, so it’s Macqueen. They also mention in Planet of Dust that the Tzun was one of the ways that the Master previously escaped death, along with the Traken source, the Cheetah virus and the deathworm Morphant.
Jacobi Master Not really anything to go on. He’s got his TARDIS and he makes a veiled reference to coming from the Time War. I’m sure we’ll have a better idea of where it fits once the last War Master set comes out.
Missy She’s using a vortex manipulator, which is her main mode of transportation and refers directly to River Song, so I’m guessing this is after their meeting, although obviously Missy had already met her before so it doesn’t have to be. I’d put it between Series 9 and Missy Series 1.
The end of Day of the Master will make it clear [/p]
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[/quote] Oh, I’d already heard the full set when I wrote this, but I must have missed something.
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Post by mark687 on Oct 9, 2019 18:43:26 GMT
The end of Day of the Master will make it clear [/p]
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[/quote] Oh, I’d already heard the full set when I wrote this, but I must have missed something.[/quote][/p]
I'm referring to the very last scene
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Oct 9, 2019 18:49:15 GMT
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[/quote] Oh, I’d already heard the full set when I wrote this, but I must have missed something.[/quote][/p]
I'm referring to the very last scene
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[/quote] I didn’t pick up on anything that indicated placement for the War Master in that particular scene, so I must have missed something unless I’m being very dumb right now.
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Post by sherlock on Oct 9, 2019 23:40:33 GMT
{Spoiler} The only reference I picked up for Jacobi was him mentioning how paradoxes happen almost daily where he comes from, so he’s from during the Time War. The only definitive placement that gives us is between The Master of Callous and Only the Good.
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Post by sherlock on Oct 10, 2019 14:46:20 GMT
Tim Bradley , I was looking over your timeline and I think you have some errors regarding the Time War section atm. The Master in the 11th Doctor Titan comics issue isn’t the Jacobi Master. In those comics the Master is in a different incarnation, who appears to be a small child. Towards the end of that comic arc, the Master regenerates into the Jacobi incarnation. Therefore the Titan comics have to go before the War Master Series. The Jacobi Master only appears in one episode of Gallifrey-Time War, The Devil You Know. This episode belongs between episodes 1 and 2 of Only the Good (The Master is summoned to Gallifrey at the end of Beneath the Viscoid and the Gallifrey episode sets up for The Good Master). The final point concerns spoilers for The Heavenly Paradigm- {Spoiler} The end of The Heavenly Paradigm sees the Master witness the Dalek Emperor seizing the Cruciform and then fleeing to the end of the universe and turning himself into a human, setting up Utopia.
Therefore no Time War stories can go after Only the Good, all of the subsequent War Master releases have actually been prequels.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Oct 10, 2019 21:06:44 GMT
Tim Bradley , I was looking over your timeline and I think you have some errors regarding the Time War section atm. The Master in the 11th Doctor Titan comics issue isn’t the Jacobi Master. In those comics the Master is in a different incarnation, who appears to be a small child. Towards the end of that comic arc, the Master regenerates into the Jacobi incarnation. Therefore the Titan comics have to go before the War Master Series. The Jacobi Master only appears in one episode of Gallifrey-Time War, The Devil You Know. This episode belongs between episodes 1 and 2 of Only the Good (The Master is summoned to Gallifrey at the end of Beneath the Viscoid and the Gallifrey episode sets up for The Good Master). The final point concerns spoilers for The Heavenly Paradigm- {Spoiler} The end of The Heavenly Paradigm sees the Master witness the Dalek Emperor seizing the Cruciform and then fleeing to the end of the universe and turning himself into a human, setting up Utopia.
Therefore no Time War stories can go after Only the Good, all of the subsequent War Master releases have actually been prequels. Just to follow up on this, the correct order is something like this: {War Master Timeline} Outrun The Then and the Now The Organ Grinder Kill God Fast Asleep
Call for the Dead The Glittering Prize The Persistence of Dreams Sins of the Father
The Survivor The Coney Island Chameleon Concealed Weapon The Missing Link Darkness and Light
Master of Worlds (No confirmed placement) Day of the Master (No confirmed placement)
From the Flames (TBC) The Master's Dalek Plan (TBC) Shockwave (TBC) He Who Wins (TBC)
Beneath the Viscoid The Devil You Know The Good Master The Sky Man The Heavenly Paradigm
Utopia
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Post by sherlock on Dec 17, 2019 19:16:47 GMT
Anti-Genesis {Spoiler} The ending leads directly into the events of Beneath the Viscoid, therefore the entirety of Anti-Genesis set goes right before it.
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