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Post by 8doctormcgann on May 20, 2016 15:13:23 GMT
I listened to Damaged Goods today, and I was wondering if the references to Torchwood and the Time War were in the original book?
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Post by Ela on May 20, 2016 15:23:27 GMT
I don't think so, and I don't remember noticing it mentioned. I'm pretty sure it wasn't, as the Damaged Goods novel predated any mention of Torchwood by quite a number of years. I don't think RTD thought of Torchwood - or at least wrote anything relating to it - till he did the new series.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on May 20, 2016 15:27:23 GMT
No i dont think they are referenced in the original book. I assume they only added them in possibly bring the audio version in line with TV
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Post by Ela on May 20, 2016 15:30:03 GMT
Yup, that's my guess. And honestly, really a gratuitous mention, as it's not necessary to the plot.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on May 20, 2016 15:42:50 GMT
Pretty much yeah. Just a random they're around kind of thing
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Post by 8doctormcgann on May 20, 2016 16:12:12 GMT
I thought so, I was just wondering who, if not Torchwood was Dr. Greco working for?
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Post by newt5996 on May 20, 2016 16:12:30 GMT
There really only there because the novel was connected to a storyline which Big Finish didn't end up adapting as it wasn't very good.
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Post by 8doctormcgann on May 20, 2016 16:14:31 GMT
Fair enough
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Post by kennysmith on May 20, 2016 17:18:36 GMT
Not in the original novel. But a nice wee bit of continuity. Subtle but good.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on May 20, 2016 17:29:26 GMT
There really only there because the novel was connected to a storyline which Big Finish didn't end up adapting as it wasn't very good. Where they actually going to adapt the Psi Powers arc were they? I thought it was because it was linked to Russell T. Davies |
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Post by Ela on May 20, 2016 18:23:23 GMT
Not in the original novel. But a nice wee bit of continuity. Subtle but good. Right, it provides a bit of tie-in. |
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Post by newt5996 on May 20, 2016 20:59:17 GMT
There really only there because the novel was connected to a storyline which Big Finish didn't end up adapting as it wasn't very good. Where they actually going to adapt the Psi Powers arc were they? I thought it was because it was linked to Russell T. Davies No they weren't, that's why they changed the Brotherhood to Torchwood. The Time War was already present in the novel |
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Post by omega on May 20, 2016 21:30:48 GMT
In the novel Dr Greco works for the Brotherhood, the group behind the psi-powers arc. That same group reactivated the N-Form. Since Big Finish weren't adapting that storyline Torchwood and the Time War were instead used. It provided nice foreshadowing for them being able to do Torchwood (if you've got a dirty mind get it out of the gutter), whether it was intentional or not. RTD himself is on record as saying he didn't understand much of the arc when writing the book.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on May 21, 2016 9:49:43 GMT
In the novel Dr Greco works for the Brotherhood, the group behind the psi-powers arc. That same group reactivated the N-Form. Since Big Finish were adapting that storyline Torchwood and the Time War were instead used.
Would love for them to adapt a couple of the Psi Power books mins, ie So Vile A Sin and Sleepy |
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Post by newt5996 on Oct 27, 2016 16:27:53 GMT
So I've been giving this one a relisten after reading the book (full reviews to follow) and I must say while the audio is definitely toned down it still has that wonderful bleak atmosphere.
Sure some of the characters don't survive the transition (Mrs. Hearn and Sylvie are cut) but everything just seems to work in this one.
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Post by omega on Aug 30, 2018 8:34:20 GMT
DOCTOR WHO - NOVEL ADAPTATIONS » 6. DAMAGED GOODS (STANDARD EDITION) Released April 2015SynopsisThe year is 1987 and there’s a deadly new narcotic on the streets of London. As part of their investigations the Doctor and his companions Chris and Roz move into the Quadrant, a rundown housing estate. An ancient alien menace has been unleashed, a menace somehow linked to a local gang leader known as The Capper, a charmed young boy called Gabriel and his mother Winnie, the enigmatic Frei Foundation, and Eva Jericho, a woman driven to the brink of madness. As London descends into an apocalyptic nightmare, the Doctor must uncover the truth about the residents of the Quadrant and a desperate bargain made one dark Christmas Eve. Based on the original 1996 New Adventures novel by Doctor Who writer and executive producer Russell T Davies Written By: Russell T Davies, adapted by Jonathan Morris Directed By: Ken Bentley CASTSylvester McCoy (The Doctor), Travis Oliver (Chris Cwej), Yasmin Bannerman (Roz Forrester), Michelle Collins (Winnie Tyler), Denise Black (Eva Jericho), Georgie Fuller (Bev Tyler), Tayler Marshall (Gabriel Tyler), Richard Hope (Harry Harvey), Daniel Brocklebank (David Daniels), Peter Barrett (The Capper), Robert Duncan (Mr Thomas), Damian Lynch (Scott Delaney)
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Post by omega on Aug 30, 2018 8:47:23 GMT
A very good refinement of the book, which was very grimdark and gritty. It's still a bleak story though. The characters are very well performed, of course helped by the fact they're based of characters written by RTD, and of a social group he enjoys writing (the Tyler family, living on a London estate, that doesn't ring any bells). Winnie is a tired mother who just wants the best for her children (the book had a third sibling, omitted for the audio version). Gabriel convinces as a creepy kid, and it's no wonder one character calls him the devil in the second episode. Mrs Jericho is absolutely unhinged, having given over her whole life to her unwell son, yet has enough calm to talk about switching twins while she explains to her husband that she's laced his mashed potatoes with rat poison. It's always the quiet ones you should fear.
Jonathan Morris deftly handles the elements of the book from the Psi-powers arc that was running through the novels at the time, using it as an opportunity to take advantage of the then yet to be announced New Series and Torchwood licences.
The scenes with the Capper and Mr Leather are very tense, and you keep on listening. The effect on the Capper's voice is that captivating and terrifying. The image of the Capper, impaled by metallic tentacles, is one I'm surprised was allowed to stay on the cover for the audio.
I'm thrilled we'll be getting more stories with this TARDIS crew.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Aug 30, 2018 9:04:35 GMT
This is a fantastic adaption. The only thing that stops it from getting a 5 from me is the sound design in certain sections. Makes it difficult to understand whats going on
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Post by shallacatop on Aug 30, 2018 12:19:43 GMT
This is a fantastic adaption. The only thing that stops it from getting a 5 from me is the sound design in certain sections. Makes it difficult to understand whats going on Took the words right out of my mouth. Loved the Time War and Torchwood references. They don’t feel out of place, like these things sometimes do, they just make everything feel more connected. Can’t wait for more adventures with this TARDIS team. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 12:35:43 GMT
Read a bit of the book, quite a number of years ago, but stopped at the point when BF announced the Novel Adaptation itself. So Damaged Goods (pardon the pun), and brilliantly dark, RTD and Jonathan Morris have done a fantastic job with the story!
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