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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2016 11:09:01 GMT
Hey everyone,
What are your Doctor Who head canons?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 4, 2016 11:31:49 GMT
I like to believe that when the Doctor fell down his time stream in Name of the Doctor, it caused splinters of the Doctor to be scattered across the timeline as with Clara. The major difference was that with the Doctor being a Time Lord who due to time travel exists in the past, present and future simultaneously, rather than splinter his current incarnation it splintered his future one in the 12th Doctor. Whilst the Doctor likes to believe he chose his face as a reminder that he saves people, it's actually more that Caelicius and John Frobisher were splinters of himself who exist to remind him of that fact.
Caelicius was always going to be there to be saved by the Doctor and Frobisher saved his children and wife from the 456 by killing them. They both reflect two sides of the coin; sometimes to save people you either have to let them live or let them die. The Doctor's choice in The Girl Who Died was to make that decision. He made the wrong choice and chose to let Ashildr live, condemning her to what living forever really is: a life of hell, as described in The Woman Who Lived.
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Post by barnabaslives on Jun 4, 2016 19:22:25 GMT
He made the wrong choice and chose to let Ashildr live, condemning her to what living forever really is: a life of hell, as described in The Woman Who Lived. That reminds me of my least favorite trope, living forever is no fun at all. Judging by the Doctor, living a really long time apparently becomes much more bearable through community service. I made an involuntary addition to my head canon last night, there's apparently 3 minutes missing from the otherwise phenomenally good story The Reaping, where the Doctor explains ala Adric about the inflexibility of time-lines as with the Fifth Doctor regarding Adric so that he doesn't seem horribly insensitive after being apparently somewhat complicit in events. I have the idea that Gallifreyans and Earthlings are not at all distantly related. This explains what seems like a certain Gallifreyan closet preoccupation with Earth that arises from scriptwriters for Gallifrey using familiar Earth expressions and thankfully not trying to come up with uniquely Gallifreyan expressions like, "By the hoary drawers of Rassilon!" and so forth. Thus we far too frequently hear "What is it they say on Earth?" and seldom if ever anything like "What is they say on Raxacoricofallapatorius?" in the hallowed halls of Gallifrey - because they're all voyeuristic cousins of humanity, sopping up Earth culture every chance they get, with the High Council catching up on Real Housewives or Eastenders in between sessions. The Gallifreyans are terrified that someday we will learn how closely related we are, and then we too will want TARDISEs, and the timelines will all go to hell in a handbasket. The Doctor likes us Earthlings so much because so many of us are nowhere near as stuffy and full of ourselves as the average Gallifreyan, even though we essentially come from the same cloth. (This is also why the Gallifreyans in general find us so interesting although they'd never admit it in a billion trillion years). I think there was actually something in the OS that might be taken to support this notion but I cannot remember where for the life of me, although probably something with a monster that's been on Earth since before people have in order to be going back that far in Earth's history as to possibly touch on our origins - like Hand of Fear or something else with Doctor Tom. (I really should start keeping a TV diary to make notes on things like that). I'll be happy for this to remain mostly in my head canon though, because somehow I was really disappointed with what ST:NG did with the idea of humanoids having common roots.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jun 4, 2016 21:46:59 GMT
Canon is canon! If its on tv, its canon. Books, audio etc are the alternative realities canon.
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Post by mark687 on Jun 4, 2016 22:00:06 GMT
TV, BF and Novels (don't count Comics. Comic characters portrayed in BF I can live with)
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jun 5, 2016 1:32:07 GMT
Up until "Day of the Doctor" spelt it out, in my head the Doctor fought WITH the Daleks against the Time Lords and then betrayed the Daleks when he blew up Gallifrey.
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Post by SG. on Jun 5, 2016 2:23:44 GMT
Everything TV and audio.
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Post by relativetime on Jun 5, 2016 3:04:29 GMT
Anything that's on TV, in audio format, and some books is canon to me. And there most certainly was a Season 6B to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 6:44:00 GMT
Oh, the powers of the imagination. With a few exceptions, I consider much of television canonical with Big Finish, the DWM comics and most novels shortly following. I personally like to think that the Eleventh Doctor comics take precedence over his actual televised adventures as what Morris and Grey do with his character is rather fun. In terms of the purely theoretical, I have a litany of future incarnations which exist almost exclusively within my own head with a few examples based on actual published materials shown below. I'll put them in spoiler tags so people can avoid the block of text: Merlin the Wise This incarnation of the Doctor may have taken a bibliothecarial attitude to his past lives and inveigled himself amongst the High Evolutionaries within the Matrix with the intention of monitoring and assisting his past selves wherever he could as part of his custodial responsibility as one of the more elderly (and therefore wiser) iterations of his life. His interactions with his past incarnations and mindful tampering may have lead to his expulsion from the microuniversal complot and further involvement with the alternate dimensions existing both in parallel and adjunctly to the third universe, leading to his fascination with the sorcerous continuum in which Arthur and his knights dwelt. It is suspected that the events depicted in various Marvel graphic stories are distorted accounts of various battles between Arthur and Morgaine spanning over a relative twelve centuries and by this time the Doctor had acquired an ability unique to this incarnation that allowed him to transphase between various renderings of himself and interact through these facets with the inhabitants of the other dimensions. It is unclear where Merlin may have acquired this skill set, but given his affinity with the Matrix and Arthur's universe it's not entirely inappropriate to suggest that in his aged wisdom he has adopted several magical powers as a means to facilitate his ends in much the same manner as his fourth self's sonic screwdriver or his seventh self's umbrella. He much like his successor would spend a great deal of time with Arthur and his knights, experiencing most (if not all) of his adventures in reverse order before regenerating. He would seem to have abandoned the normal universe to its own devices prior to his estrangement (presumably to escape Morgaine's trap in the ice forests of Brecelainde) to the surface of Antykhon with a new face.
Muldwych An incarnation with a head of unruly red hair wearing a tatty embroidered Afghan coat and a floppy hat of brown felt with a saffron bandana who forced himself free of Morgaine's trap on Breceliande using the astral plane. The effort subsequently marooned him on Antýkhon in N-Space. His decision to send the moribund King Arthur aboard the King's Hall ship would earlier leave him responsible for the events of Battlefield as faced by his seventh incarnation.
"Audio Visuals" Doctor A gentleman, a scientist and an explorer with an insatiable sense of curiosity, this iteration was known for always keeping his moral imperative even in the face of the abject and seemingly ubiquitous evil prevalent throughout his travels across the universe. He was an ardent devotee of tea and was known to be impatient with misguided or purely evil individuals; often irritated at their lack of prudence and Weltanschauung, rather than out of a more tralatitious sense of righteous moral indignation.
Dr. Who He had been defeated and become trapped in one of the Toymaker's celestial games as a plaything, forced to live out a portion of his incarnation as a doddering English artificer from Earth in Tardis as seen in AARU's Dr. Who and the Daleks and Dalek Invasion Earth 2150 A.D. It's conceivable that he and his companions eventually became aware of their predicament and engineered their escape from the Celestial Toyroom using the real TARDIS. This incarnation of the Doctor was known to have travelled with seven different companions including, but not necessarily limited to several exaggerated caricatures of his previous companions from the fantastical realms of the Celestial Toyshop to his good colleagues Preponderant Jormunaire Kharis (Christopher Lee) and Archtreasuerer Wreave Slyne (Vincent Price) of 14460s Irulaius to whom he maintained a tender confidence.
"Richard E. Grant" Doctor Self-indulgent, manipulative and arrogant to a fault, this incarnation is nevertheless a provocative figure who serves as a powerful force for inspiration and change across much of the universe. His predecessor met a rather gruesome end when he was shot in the back upon arrival at the London docks in 1949 by a woman named Mestizer during the Cabinet of Light Affair. He spent several months lying low while Honoré Lechasseur conducts his investigations for him in the interregnum before departing to future adventures. I also have this running theory on John Hurt's incarnation: I think he's the control condition for his future/past incarnations as they become victims of the Time War. For example, if the Daleks turn up during The Keys of Marinus and wipe out the TARDIS crew, he's the one who knows whether or not there is a discontinuity. In reality, all eight of his previous incarnations are fighting in the War in this microcosm that appears as soon as the it "begins" and collapses like a quantum event once it "ends".
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Post by liam on Jun 5, 2016 21:15:02 GMT
TV, BF and Novels (don't count Comics. Comic characters portrayed in BF I can live with) Regards mark687 Really? The Titan comics are great! The new companions with 10 & 11 are fantastic. And the stories fit into his timeline perfectly. And what about the ones way back when with Izzy, Destrii, etc?
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Post by mark687 on Jun 5, 2016 21:21:43 GMT
TV, BF and Novels (don't count Comics. Comic characters portrayed in BF I can live with) Regards mark687 Really? The Titan comics are great! The new companions with 10 & 11 are fantastic. And the stories fit into his timeline perfectly. And what about the ones way back when with Izzy, Destrii, etc? Only ever read DWM I've no interest in Titan ones at all and while DWM ones aren't bad I just don't count them as "Canon".
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Post by liam on Jun 5, 2016 21:32:45 GMT
Really? The Titan comics are great! The new companions with 10 & 11 are fantastic. And the stories fit into his timeline perfectly. And what about the ones way back when with Izzy, Destrii, etc? Only ever read DWM I've no interest in Titan ones at all and while DWM ones aren't bad I just don't count them as "Canon".
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mark687
That's fair. That's what's great about DW. Each Whovian has there own opinion of the whole Whoniverse. I think that's what keeps it exciting!
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jun 6, 2016 11:19:20 GMT
TV, BF, NSA Books, DWM Comics and the Titan Comics are part of what i call the Prime Continuity. also included in this are the BBC audios Paradise of Death, Ghosts of N-Space, Slipback, Earth and Beyond and their six story Short Trips collection
VNA & MA Books are a second continuity
EDA & PDA are a third continuity.
Not sure how to count the IDW Comics as of yet. For now, they are a seperate fourth continuity.
Now when some of the stories from the 2nd, 3rd and 4th continuities are adapted by BF and TV, they become apart of the Prime continuity, but only in their adapted form, the original versions, which happen differently and sometimes with different Doctors are part of their respective continuities.
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Post by Ela on Jun 16, 2016 19:17:09 GMT
I'm not a big reader of fan fic, but my daughter pointed me in the direction of this Tenth Doctor fan fic, which takes place in series 4, more or less between Turn Left and Journey's End. It made so much sense to me that I instantly put it into my head canon.
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Post by Star Platinum on Jun 16, 2016 20:16:25 GMT
Everything is canon, and discrepancys are explained by the hypertime model.
This has a rather nice effect of making even the distant stuff like the unbounds canon too!
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Post by Star Platinum on Jun 16, 2016 22:34:39 GMT
In terms of Doctor Who, think of the Doctors timeline as a river. As it flows it occasionally splits and branches off of itself. Sometimes these branches reconnect (Think of seven post survival, you have the VNAs, Big Finish and the comics) each one tells its own story, and it can be difficult to reconcile them, but they all MUST reconvene at the TV movie, doesn't matter which smaller flow you followed, they all meet up again at the same place.
Other branches diverge and don't return to the main river, such as the unbounds, (Look at sympathy for the devil, everything is the same until the point of divergence at the end of war games.)
Due to the nature of time travel, if the Doctor references a VNA in one story and in the next, makes a remark that would invalidate that VNA, it still happened just the mechanics of time travel change his personal history.
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Post by relativetime on Jun 29, 2016 23:48:32 GMT
So, one theory I've recently decided to accept as head canon is that the Clara we saw in Series 7B is NOT the same Clara in The Day of the Doctor and onwards. It explains a lot of the huge differences that were suddenly introduced in The Day of the Doctor, in regards to her life outside of the Doctor. Plus, it doesn't contradict how the Doctor would treat a fourth splinter Clara - he didn't really mourn Victorian Clara all that much before he set out to find a new Clara - and it also explains why Clara, who went through the Doctor's entire time stream and met his former selves, would be uncomfortable with the idea of the Doctor regenerating.
Of course, this could probably all fall to pieces if there's some dialogue somewhere in The Day of the Doctor or Series 8 and 9 where Clara mentions being present for the adventures of Series 7B - it has been a very long time since I've watched any of the episodes - but until then, this is what I accept as canon.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jun 30, 2016 15:48:31 GMT
So, one theory I've recently decided to accept as head canon is that the Clara we saw in Series 7B is NOT the same Clara in The Day of the Doctor and onwards. It explains a lot of the huge differences that were suddenly introduced in The Day of the Doctor, in regards to her life outside of the Doctor. Plus, it doesn't contradict how the Doctor would treat a fourth splinter Clara - he didn't really mourn Victorian Clara all that much before he set out to find a new Clara - and it also explains why Clara, who went through the Doctor's entire time stream and met his former selves, would be uncomfortable with the idea of the Doctor regenerating. Of course, this could probably all fall to pieces if there's some dialogue somewhere in The Day of the Doctor or Series 8 and 9 where Clara mentions being present for the adventures of Series 7B - it has been a very long time since I've watched any of the episodes - but until then, this is what I accept as canon. Pretty much any discussion of "the women in the shop" probably contradicts that. Plus, the Doctor would probably treat the loss of the original Clara differently to the loss of one of her splinters. Just look how he reacted when she died in Face the Raven.
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Post by mrperson on Jun 30, 2016 21:00:20 GMT
If "head canon" is something one makes up on one's own and chooses to believe, I don't have any. There's more than enough to keep track of in stories produced by other people....
For me, canon is essentially defined by what the BBC produces or by what those licensed by it produce. Books from random authors are "fanfic" in my opinion, even if they wrote for the show.
(Incidentally, I may be biased, because I've only ever followed TV and BBC or BF audio Who)
Somewhat arbitrary? Sure, but whatever. It seems to me that the owner or progenitor of a work of fictional world gets to say what is supposed to be part of the world. But it doesn't really matter because nobody can tell you what to consider part of it.
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Post by relativetime on Jul 1, 2016 3:17:55 GMT
So, one theory I've recently decided to accept as head canon is that the Clara we saw in Series 7B is NOT the same Clara in The Day of the Doctor and onwards. It explains a lot of the huge differences that were suddenly introduced in The Day of the Doctor, in regards to her life outside of the Doctor. Plus, it doesn't contradict how the Doctor would treat a fourth splinter Clara - he didn't really mourn Victorian Clara all that much before he set out to find a new Clara - and it also explains why Clara, who went through the Doctor's entire time stream and met his former selves, would be uncomfortable with the idea of the Doctor regenerating. Of course, this could probably all fall to pieces if there's some dialogue somewhere in The Day of the Doctor or Series 8 and 9 where Clara mentions being present for the adventures of Series 7B - it has been a very long time since I've watched any of the episodes - but until then, this is what I accept as canon. Pretty much any discussion of "the women in the shop" probably contradicts that. Plus, the Doctor would probably treat the loss of the original Clara differently to the loss of one of her splinters. Just look how he reacted when she died in Face the Raven. I completely forgot about that... Well, I'm not a Doctor Who fan for nothing! I'm sure at some point I'll come up with some way to make it fit!
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