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Post by chapwithwings on Jan 27, 2016 21:21:40 GMT
The more I think about Tainted Love, the more I like it. The soap opera, the music -- everything. Wish it had been a little longer. I ordered my copy yesterday. Loving Dark Shadows - my joint favourite range along with Jago & Litefoot - and I have not seen many episodes of the TV series so all I really know is Big Finish version.
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Post by Rob Morris on Mar 7, 2016 9:17:39 GMT
Bumping this as it's this week's listen-thru release...
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Post by kimalysong on Mar 7, 2016 23:34:31 GMT
So my deep dark secret I used to be into Days of Our Lives when I was in High School. I watched until my favorite couple finally got together. They might have broken up since but I remained ignorant to me they are together. It took a whole lot of episodes for this to happen. There was always something standing in their way.
Why do I bring this up? Because more than any other episode this one reminded me of a soap opera (albeit in a more condensed form). Because there is nothing that screams soap to me more than a love triangle and the 3rd part of the triangle keeping the couple apart so they could with one member of the pair.
Of course with Dark Shadows there is a supernatural twist. And in this case the Power of Love broke through the spell (I think that's what happened at least)
But anyways I did really like this one. What can I say I guess I became an Amy/David shippers. And I tried to but I couldn't sympathize with Hailee at all. And what's better unlike Days of Our Lives it didn't take years for Amy & David to get together. I much prefer that type of storytelling.
I also really liked that they we saw the story over a course of a year with major events highlighted during holidays of the calendar year.
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Post by Rob Morris on Mar 8, 2016 0:49:49 GMT
The Amy/David shipping may lead somewhere. That's all I'll say...
It's interestingly structured this one. Dan's approach makes (again) for a very different release. I loved reading it and I think it really works. And if you've listened to previous releases it really maages the "shoppping list" extremely well. Dan is a great actor but his writing here works well too and he really sells it.
And his cameo is actually heartbreaking.
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Post by Rob Morris on Mar 8, 2016 0:53:13 GMT
I will also say I was very touched by the reference to Shurafa. He folded that in nicely and it was quite a surprise.
He'd been very complimentary after reading it so to have him tie it in a bit - given he's a writer of great skill - meant a lot to me.
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Post by kimalysong on Mar 8, 2016 1:06:26 GMT
The Amy/David shipping may lead somewhere. That's all I'll say! I don't know this sounds a bit ominous to me. I may be misinterpreting your words. But now I'm like But you guys want to give them happy endings right right? Or maybe you want to make us suffer. And Rob your story was great too. So far I've loved them all except last week's. Every story felt very different from the next. I am definitely loving how experimental this range is.
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Post by Rob Morris on Mar 8, 2016 1:34:21 GMT
I think it's fair to say we all want the characters to have happy endings. In Collinsport they do go through a lot so they deserve them. Whether they get them is another matter. It is the great strength of the range that Davy and Joe always try and look for a new angle. This year's range is very different from release to release. The other year they did the 1973 storyline. No range at all should sit on the basis of its past glories... I wasn't fishing for compliments by the way, but thank you anyway!
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Post by kimalysong on Mar 8, 2016 1:39:59 GMT
I wasn't fishing for compliments by the way, but thank you anyway! I know but I wanted to say so! I love that you interact with us on here. And if the other writers did I would also share my appreciation for them.
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Post by barnabaslives on Mar 8, 2016 3:38:02 GMT
Poor Hallie... all she wanted was the Violet Chavez treatment, all she got was the Beth Chavez treatment. :-) She's not necessarily quite the intrusion on David and Amy's recent cozy relationship that she might seem. Besides Hallie being the niece of the extraordinary Professor Stokes, David and Hallie shared quite the ordeal on the original series - as touched upon in remarkable audio, Carriage of the Damned. Truly she has become an immortal Dark Shadows legend with this story, tragic though it is. I love that you interact with us on here. And if the other writers did I would also share my appreciation for them. We're very blessed to have Rob hanging out and sharing his love of Dark Shadows with us! We've also been recently joined by Cody (cschell) Schell, the author of The Flip Side and the season finale for the listen-thru, ...And Red All Over, so that's the authors of two of my very favorite DS audios. Hooray!!
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Post by omega on Mar 8, 2016 4:00:18 GMT
I'm on Team Amy (dear god, I actually went there). After everything she has been through, losing her family, boyfriend and being unable to face the ghosts of Collinsport, only to land in an emotionally abusive relationship (there's plenty of discussion on Andrew's character elsewhere, I think it's The Curse of Shurafa thread) that took her back to the town she swore she'd never return to, then losing her husband and the chance to watch her son grow up, she deserves a happy ending that she can fully benefit from. It's not like she was bringing all her emotional baggage to the table. She's far more empathetic to what David has been through in the audios while Hallie is trying to reignite a flame that's over a decade old. Hallie is trying to get David involved in the supernatural without considering he's spent months under the influence of Dr Rankin and Count Petofi. I'm not doubting they have a shared history of supernatural torment, but that got closure, for Hallie at least, in Carriage of the Damned.
Amy proved why she was good for David while Hallie wanted to show why David was good for her. She was under the influence of an obsession demon during Tainted Love though, so we can forgive her, she wasn't herself.
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Post by barnabaslives on Mar 8, 2016 10:32:02 GMT
Amy proved why she was good for David while Hallie wanted to show why David was good for her. She was under the influence of an obsession demon during Tainted Love though, so we can forgive her, she wasn't herself. Very true - I doubt that I could say I think Hallie was good for David by this point due to the circumstances. If not for the dark forces trying to drag her down, though, she might have had a fighting chance to win David's affections, or at least I like to think so. I'm probably rather impartial to both Amy and Hallie as I think a great deal of both of them. I also think a great deal of the story-arc that features Hallie for a number of reasons and have many very fond memories of being completely creeped-out by hanging out with Hallie, David, and Daphne in The Playroom.
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Post by Rob Morris on Mar 8, 2016 11:10:08 GMT
That's where I am in the TV series at the minute. I kind of know where it's headed but it's still exciting!
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Post by bobod on Mar 8, 2016 11:13:29 GMT
Whereas, funnily enough, I'm at the point that Amy and David are possessed by/obsessed with the ghost of Quentin. And I DON'T know where it's heading (although I do know when it's heading).
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Post by kimalysong on Mar 8, 2016 11:19:56 GMT
I don't know Hallie from the show but this episode didn't seem very sympathetic to her. Or I guess it's hard for me to be sympathetic to someone who would willingly hurt or trick someone you supposedly love.
In this case she put a spell on David. Now even Hallie realized how empty it was to have David love her only because of the spell. That what she got was a shell not the real David. Maybe at this point I could have forgiven her if she let him go but then she decides no one else can have him but her.
I know love is cruel and it can hurt to be rejected by someone you have feelings for. And David was a bit harsh with her at one point. But that's still no excuse for what she did.
Of course this being said Hallie was the perfect soap opera villain.
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Post by bobod on Mar 8, 2016 11:22:17 GMT
Hallie was the perfect soap opera villain. I think Kathleen Cody will happily have that.
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Post by bobod on Mar 8, 2016 11:27:08 GMT
I've not met Hallie in the TV show yet and as Carriage of the Damned was quite an ensemble 'group all trapped together' piece, I didn't get that much of a handle on her as a character. But it's interesting to listen to Carriage again after Tainted Love and notice how much the signs are there that she's become so committed that she can be quite callous.
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Post by Rob Morris on Mar 8, 2016 11:30:17 GMT
Yes, I don't think I'd picked up on it either, but when I re-listened to Carriage a few weeks back I suddenly realised that all the signs were there even then.
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Post by barnabaslives on Mar 8, 2016 11:43:48 GMT
Whereas, funnily enough, I'm at the point that Amy and David are possessed by/obsessed with the ghost of Quentin. And I DON'T know where it's heading (although I do know when it's heading). See if Barnabas ever has a phone put in now, eh? ;-) Hopefully things are heading toward a speaking part for Quentin, it would be tragic not to make use of that very wonderful voice of David Selby's soon. When you get when you're heading, I hope you enjoy the roles coming up for Thayer David, Grayson Hall, Marie Wallace and others. It is THE most wonderful epic!
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Post by silverednickle on Mar 9, 2016 3:59:16 GMT
I feel that I posted on this before, but I appreciate that Kathleen Cody, Hallie Stokes herself, was able to suggest Hallie's current path. In the show, Hallie and Amy are somewhat interchangeable- a young girl to be possessed by ghosts along with David. Hallie's path can be compared to Angelique's, so there is hope for her to come around, maybe be forgiven. In the meantime, I'd love for Laura Collins and she to come to the wedding in Bloodlust.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2016 4:13:41 GMT
I don't know Hallie from the show but this episode didn't seem very sympathetic to her. Or I guess it's hard for me to be sympathetic to someone who would willingly hurt or trick someone you supposedly love. In this case she put a spell on David. Now even Hallie realized how empty it was to have David love her only because of the spell. That what she got was a shell not the real David. Maybe at this point I could have forgiven her if she let him go but then she decides no one else can have him but her. I know love is cruel and it can hurt to be rejected by someone you have feelings for. And David was a bit harsh with her at one point. But that's still no excuse for what she did. Of course this being said Hallie was the perfect soap opera villain. I haven't seen the original series either and this might be coming off from Carriage of The Damned, but I actually felt the episode did allow the audience to emphasise and understand Hallie and her actions, monstrous and destructive as they were. She'd experienced a great trauma as a child and never gotten over it and her efforts in dealing with it - becoming a demon hunter (essentinally becoming 'David' to deal) and her methods of dispatching her enemies, her sex life (not that there's anything wrong with a woman having a lot of casual sex, but it really seemed to be about recapturing that moment of security with David) and being able to bond and forgive Gerald Stiles so quickly were very telling. It seems that Hallie didn't really have an environment to deal with the trauma, as well? While I do know that David wasn't told about the various supernatural going ons, I'd imagine that his family and a non too aware Maggie did their best to make sure he moved on somewhat from it - Hallie, it seems, was left to her own devices and sadly grew up to be who she was. I feel Hallie was an object of pity as well as horror.
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