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Post by omega on Aug 22, 2016 0:54:54 GMT
very few that I consider actively *bad*. Minuet in Hell is one of them. Didn't they discuss this in the podcast a week or so back? Sounds like it was a nightmare recording. The script kept changing up to the day of recording, with Nick having to make on the fly judgements about what to keep during the recording. That's why the first episode is just over forty minutes in length. Had the script been finalised earlier, the first episode could have been streamlined to a more manageable length. Charley's amnesia, the pretty little satin bonnets, Senator Pickering being an ass at the institute etc add little to the story and would certainly not be in any present day version of the production.
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Post by omega on Aug 22, 2016 0:57:00 GMT
I'm kind of surprised how poorly Legend of the Cybermen is fairing. I don't merely consider it a good Cyberman story; I consider it one of the best Cyberman stories ever told. This is one of the few stories where it's important that the villains are Cybermen. In most Cybermen stories, you could replace them with Daleks and still have basically the same story, but not so here. I could understand why some listeners would find the meta-textual commentary near the end a bit twee, but I loved that part. I'm with you bud. Love it to bits. It takes the Cybermen and does something completely different with them. I mean...Cybes versus Little Lord Fauntleroy, The Artful Dodger and Dracula? How easy a sell should that be? It works on a novelty and emotional level for me (like Pirates does) and I think there's more creativity in its 2 hours than some whole subsequent trilogies have managed. The endings a tad contrived, perhaps, but with Jamie and Sixie running into each other so often compared to other out-of-time pairings, at least we get a novel ending. It's also one of my favourite BF cover designs, FWIW. And the credits at the end of Part Four starting out as the Second Doctor theme before changing into the Sixth Doctor theme. IMO it's a far better celebration of the Second Doctor era than Last of the Cybermen.
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Post by kimalysong on Aug 22, 2016 1:08:27 GMT
I also adore the Legend of the Cybermen...I even love it despite a revelation I dislike about Jamie (but I was prepared for that going in). I feel it's one of the most clever uses of the Cybermen and its inspired by one of the best 2nd Doctor stories. I agree it's definitely a love story to the era.
One of these days I'll stop saying audios I love and will say ones I dislike. I just tend to forget about the ones I dislike.
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Post by fingersmash on Aug 22, 2016 1:17:16 GMT
Not Doctor Who but I just listened to Dark Shadows: Dress Me in Dark Desires and did not enjoy it much at all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 1:21:24 GMT
And the credits at the end of Part Four starting out as the Second Doctor theme before changing into the Sixth Doctor theme. IMO it's a far better celebration of the Second Doctor era than Last of the Cybermen. I'm amazed Last Of The Cybermen and the Krelos/Telos 2-parter from the 4DAs haven't been mentioned much. I remember them being very unpopular on the old forum even among those who tend to like almost everything BF do.
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Post by Whovitt on Aug 22, 2016 1:40:22 GMT
I haven't heard Legend of the Cybermen yet, but from what (very) little I know about it I'm actually looking forward to it There aren't any stories that I actively dislike, but there some that I won't go out of my way to hear again. One such story is Nekromantia, which I know isn't very popular in general, though others I feel the same way about are The Holy Terror, The Chimes of Midnight and Master. Everyone knows what's wrong with Nekromantia, but to my understanding the rest are quite popular. I'm not sure what is was about them, but they either didn't live up to the praise people were lumping on them or they just didn't fit my idea of what Doctor Who is. Other stories, such as Energy of the Daleks, The Skull of Sobek, The Book of Kells, the first series of Cyberman and the Season 27 Lost Stories just weren't very engaging, though I may have been listening to them at a bad time so I will give them another go. Similarly, Doom Coaliton 2 did very little for me, though I was definitely going through a rough patch when I heard that, so it's loaded onto iTunes at the moment ready for a relisten And then there are stories that I forget even exist - Prisoner of the Sun, Phantoms of the Deep, The Mega, The Spectre of Lanyon Moor, The Roof of the World - that were obviously so interesting that I barely remember what happens in them. So, like I said, I don't really dislike any, but there are some that I don't really care for that much.
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Post by omega on Aug 22, 2016 5:23:46 GMT
Not Doctor Who but I just listened to Dark Shadows: Dress Me in Dark Desires and did not enjoy it much at all. Dress Me in Dark Dreams.
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Post by fingersmash on Aug 22, 2016 6:58:46 GMT
Not Doctor Who but I just listened to Dark Shadows: Dress Me in Dark Desires and did not enjoy it much at all. Dress Me in Dark Dreams. Yeah, that one. That's the first time I've been so ambivalent at a release I didn't even bother with the name. And it's a shame to because from the cover and synopsis I was really expecting something special. I washed the bad taste out with The Doll House and all is good again.
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Post by theotherjosh on Aug 22, 2016 10:56:05 GMT
And the credits at the end of Part Four starting out as the Second Doctor theme before changing into the Sixth Doctor theme. IMO it's a far better celebration of the Second Doctor era than Last of the Cybermen. I'm amazed Last Of The Cybermen and the Krelos/Telos 2-parter from the 4DAs haven't been mentioned much. I remember them being very unpopular on the old forum even among those who tend to like almost everything BF do. I thought Last of the Cybermen was okay. My big problem with it was that I really enjoyed Legend of the Cybermen, and I had listened to Legend for the first time shortly before I listened to Last. The was nothing per se wrong with Last, in my opinion, I just felt that Legend got there first and did it better. Re: Telos, it's actually one of the few stories I own in hard copy. I live in the US, so digital copies are much more convenient for me. However, it was the last day of a con (The excellent (Re)GenerationWho con) and I wanted a story I hadn't heard to listen to on the ride home. I went to the vendor room and picked up Telos because I saw that it had Jamie and Leela, and I'd always thought that they would make an interesting pair. We put it in the CD player and listened to it as I drove. When it was done, I think my exact words were "That was the most average Cybermen story ever told!" The was really nothing to distinguish it as "bad" except for the missed potential of not having Jamie and Leela interact.
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Post by omega on Aug 22, 2016 11:12:16 GMT
I'm amazed Last Of The Cybermen and the Krelos/Telos 2-parter from the 4DAs haven't been mentioned much. I remember them being very unpopular on the old forum even among those who tend to like almost everything BF do. I thought Last of the Cybermen was okay. My big problem with it was that I really enjoyed Legend of the Cybermen, and I had listened to Legend for the first time shortly before I listened to Last. The was nothing per se wrong with Last, in my opinion, I just felt that Legend got there first and did it better. Re: Telos, it's actually one of the few stories I own in hard copy. I live in the US, so digital copies are much more convenient for me. However, it was the last day of a con (The excellent (Re)GenerationWho con) and I wanted a story I hadn't heard to listen to on the ride home. I went to the vendor room and picked up Telos because I saw that it had Jamie and Leela, and I'd always thought that they would make an interesting pair. We put it in the CD player and listened to it as I drove. When it was done, I think my exact words were "That was the most average Cybermen story ever told!" The was really nothing to distinguish it as "bad" except for the missed potential of not having Jamie and Leela interact. Are you Josh as in The Oncoming Storm? With Last of the Cybermen it's more about namedropping continuity references for the sake of it (the scene with Jamie listing their recent adventures felt too much like explaining where in the Second Doctor's timeline it was) or giving background to mentions from Second Doctor stories while Legend of the Cybermen takes a Second Doctor story, the Cybermen and does something new with them that's organic yet completely fascinating, and explored new territory with the Doctor and Jamie. You can have your Daleks spouting Shakespeare, but I'll raise you the Cyber-Oliver as the scarier creature. Please sir, I want some more never sounded creepier.
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Post by theotherjosh on Aug 23, 2016 10:03:06 GMT
I'm afraid I'm not that Josh. I'm the other Josh.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 16:32:51 GMT
I'm afraid I'm not that Josh. I'm the other Josh. Pigbin? Is it really you?
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Post by fitzoliverj on Aug 23, 2016 18:24:35 GMT
I really loved "Last of the Cybermen". It's rare for me to listen to one of BF's free tasters and then go out and buy the whole thing, but I did straightaway with this.
The Krelos audios though.... I think the problem was twofold. Firstly, this was without doubt one four-part story, and it should have been presented as such. The second problem was that it was very deliberately an intimate character piece, and in that regard it worked very well indeed; but nobody expected that. We expected something climatic. We didn't get it. Although I reckon the "Tomb" characters are in it a lot more than some reviewers give them credit for.
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Post by newt5996 on Aug 24, 2016 3:41:00 GMT
Recently I listened to The Macros, which has such a good concept with let's be honest a dragging story.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 15:52:25 GMT
Recently I listened to The Macros, which has such a good concept with let's be honest a dragging story. Funny, I didn't like the concept behind the story but absolutely loved how the story was told and found it flew past.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 8, 2016 0:11:24 GMT
Renaissance of the Daleks. Somehow, even duller than Asylum, and even more nonsensical than Evolution.
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Post by Digi on Oct 8, 2016 1:07:42 GMT
Putting aside the ones that I just found a bit boring, or the odd one that I kept falling asleep during? The ones I thought just awful and have no interest in revisiting:
Minuet in Hell, Bang-Bang-A-Boom, New Benny Vol 2...
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Oct 8, 2016 7:16:14 GMT
Based on the rubric of "stuff I've removed from my iPod": Chimes of Midnight, New Adevntures of Benny 2, Dark Eyes 4, The Reaping.
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Post by elkawho on Oct 8, 2016 11:44:23 GMT
Based on the rubric of "stuff I've removed from my iPod": Chimes of Midnight, New Adevntures of Benny 2, Dark Eyes 4, The Reaping. Really, Chimes? Among the worst of Big Finish? I find that interesting.
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Post by Whovitt on Oct 8, 2016 11:49:34 GMT
Based on the rubric of "stuff I've removed from my iPod": Chimes of Midnight, New Adevntures of Benny 2, Dark Eyes 4, The Reaping. Really, Chimes? Among the worst of Big Finish? I find that interesting. I wouldn't say The Chimes of Midnight was among the WORST Big Finish (few things come close to the likes of Nekromanteia), but I would say it was lower mid-range. I think people build it up too much for new listeners (or at least this listener) so that it can never quite reach the expectations put on it, reducing a listeners' (at least this listeners') opinion even further. Much like The Holy Terror... though, for me, I think that's getting quite close to Nekromanteia...
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