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Post by newt5996 on Jun 9, 2016 19:44:33 GMT
Original thread name: What's with the hate for Unregenerate!?
Seriously this is a story that everyone seems to forget or actively dislike or hate. Why? Is it the non-traditional storytelling? Is it David A McIntee? Is it Mel? These are the questions that have been plaguing me for a while.
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Post by constonks on Jun 9, 2016 19:56:16 GMT
No idea. I liked the whole thing but then again I like all of the things you listed about it. David McIntee, Mel, the style...
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Jun 9, 2016 20:01:30 GMT
I've never heard of any hate for it...
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jun 9, 2016 20:42:58 GMT
I've never heard of any hate for it... Me neither. I really like that story.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 22:52:38 GMT
I don't remember loving it, but then I don't remember absolutely loathing it either. It's one of those stories that's just... there. Part of the anti-Season 24 aesthete Big Finish were going for before the latest trilogy alongside Red, Flip Flop and The Fires of Vulcan. From memory, the Doctor spends most of the story incapacitated, so that may be where some of the hate is coming from.
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Post by ausir on Jun 10, 2016 1:24:22 GMT
I actually don't remember much about it, unfortunately.
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Post by barnabaslives on Jun 10, 2016 2:35:51 GMT
It's one of the few from the first 100 that I haven't heard yet, since it's described as being about an asylum and that is a living arrangement that I may be always precariously close to. Some day when I'm pouting about not having any 7th Doctor audios I haven't heard before, I expect I'll stumble over it and be very glad to give it a listen, and twice as glad when I remember that Melanie is in it.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jun 10, 2016 3:09:30 GMT
It's the exclamation point, it's very emotive.
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Post by elgranto on Jun 10, 2016 3:32:48 GMT
I think it's the title. From what I remember the Doctor's regeneration doesn't play into the plot in any significant way; there are at least two offhand remarks by the scientist characters to the effect of "Hmmm... it's looks like he regenerated recently," and that's pretty much it. Unregenerate! doesn't do what it says on the tin, so to speak.
Storywise I think it's alright. Sylvester and Bonnie put in solid performances and the concept was inspired. The plot was very predictable though IMO, and the big reveal in episode four ended up being too obvious because of it. I can't say I hated it, just disappointed by it and yet still a bit entertained at the end of the day.
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Post by Ela on Jun 10, 2016 5:55:38 GMT
As others have said, I don't recall seeing any sort of generalized hate for this release. Then again, it's not one of my favorites. I feel kind of "meh" about it.
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Post by elgranto on Jun 11, 2016 5:05:30 GMT
As others have said, I don't recall seeing any sort of generalized hate for this release. Then again, it's not one of my favorites. I feel kind of "meh" about it. "Meh" is exactly the word I should have used. It sums it up perfectly.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jun 12, 2016 8:51:06 GMT
Good story, i enjoyed it & I'd rate it 7/10
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2016 11:54:26 GMT
As others here have said, I don't recall any actual hate for Unregenerate, it's just an average story that doesn't make too many people's favourite lists. It's certainly not a bad story, but there's nothing special about it either. Unregenerate is certainly worth a listen though.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 3:22:07 GMT
Actually, the more I think about it, the more I remember it feeling like one of those transitional stories you'd occasionally get in Who like Gary Russell's The Scales of Injustice. It's a story that feels closer to the storytelling aesthete of Season 8's Terror of the Autons than it does something like Inferno or The Silurians. Similarly, Unregenerate! feels like something that's trying to shake off the collective pantomimic fugue of Time and the Rani, Paradise Towers and Delta and the Bannermen. It manages to do it but ends up feeling rather unremarkable, which is ironic when you consider -- publication wise -- it's sandwiched between two very strong Seven/Mel stories: The Fires of Vulcan and Red, respectively.
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Post by mark687 on Feb 2, 2021 21:38:35 GMT
Another Underrated one.
Love the set up and the resolution Sylvester is very OTT in the middle though almost as if someone thought he underplayed in Time and the Rani LOL !
4/5
Regards
mark687
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Feb 3, 2021 3:25:31 GMT
I did really like this story. Went in a direction which i didnt expect, after reading the blurb
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Post by Kestrel on Jul 4, 2022 3:54:16 GMT
My cleanup of the "overlooked" early MRs continues! After this, I think I only have one left to go, after which I'll be 100/100. Anyway, I really enjoyed this story. It has the general feel of a disposable Doctor Who adventure, but is very well executed. Considering just how good so many early MRs are, I suppose I can see why Unregenerate! would be overlooked (and like ...ish I suspect some of that, at least, may be down to the silly title) but it's still a pretty damned good yarn. Most of all, I think, it has this fun energy to it. Sylvester McCoy hamming it up as a loon in an asylum? That's some quintessential 7th Doctor stuff right there. The antagonists' MO of approaching random people and arranging "Faustian" bargains is a great little bit of fairy tale-style storytelling that I love, especially with the ambiguity with what happens next: are the antagonists actually doing anything to fulfill their promises, are are they only offering people the futures they already know will come to pass? I like to think it's the latter, but I love that the script proper doesn't really indicate way or another. Maybe these devils are making good on their promises; maybe it's all a trick. Overall the antagonists' actions are a fantastic story hook and I absolutely love it. (Random aside: would a German POW really be allowed to immigrate rather than returning home after WWII? Just like that? If so, the U.K. government in the postwar era is a lot more lenient than I'd've expected.)
Speaking of things I love, I gotta talk about the cabbie--who I don't think was ever named. He's a very personable, down-to-earth character and I love how readily he goes along with Mel for this little adventure. I also really like the fact that he's an ex-con, but is still depicted as a genuine,y good person. I was worried that detail would amount to foreshadowing for a lazy turn to villainy, but fortunately this story was better than that. And on that note, let's talk about those antagonists: the big reveal that they were Time Lords all along was fantastic, and made what I'd initially written off as mere clumsiness in the script apparent as proper foreshadowing. Amazing when that happens, yeah? The antagonists knew the Doctor was a Time Lord, they were familiar with concepts like the "Web of Time," and had access to the Doctor's criminal record. None of these items in isolation or combined necessarily point to Gallifrey, but when they do, it becomes evident that this is a carefully and tightly-constructed narrative. Great stuff. And, naturally, who else but the Time Lords would be up to this ridiculous mad-science nonsense? Implanting TARDIS AIs into human hosts? Utterly insane. (And also utterly familiar.) It's such a fun idea it's easy to see why the TV show would try it out several years later. And the fact that the Time Lords were doing this in the first place is some great characterization that lines up nicely with their extreme ego and eventual descent into madness with the Time War. As such Unregenerate! dovetails nicely with the stories RTD would later tell on television. Its also just a neat idea that the Time Lords could and would set up these little enclaves of mad scientists throughout the universe, quietly mucking about with time to further their own nebulous ends. That said, I think this story falls a bit short with its handling of the Doctor. While it's nice that Mel gets to be more active here, it comes at a price, and the Doctor's initial passivity is just... not that compelling. And given the subject matter, this feels like a perfect opportunity to delve into McCoy's darker, more sinister aspects with the Doctor... but we don't really get that. All in all it makes what could have been a genuinely great story just a bit disappointing: it's got almost all of the right ingredients for a gourmet meal, but just isn't quite cooked all the way through. Ultimately, for me, it lands somewhere between a 3/5 and a 4/5, depending on how charitable I want to be. Great ideas, fiddle execution.
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