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Post by omega on Jun 17, 2016 3:17:17 GMT
Eh, they always felt more like they belonged in a comic/superhero thing than a sci-fi show. I wouldn't mind if I never heard from them again. Are you thinking of the Guardians of the Universe from Green Lantern? Considering what they let happen, such as the Manhunters, Blackest Night, the Third Army, Wrath of the First Lantern etc, the Guardians in Doctor Who are preferable. Negligent to deal with big threats at best (and punishing Hal for trying to stop those threats) and endangering the cosmos at worst. Even after they're gone their legacy still comes back to haunt the Green Lantern Corps. |
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Post by constonks on Jun 17, 2016 4:20:18 GMT
They have taken male form in the past, but there is really no reason they couldn't take female form. They aren't men or women. I actually like the idea of a Guardian taking female form than a Timelord switching genders with regeneration. In fact, I think it would be cool if the Guardians were played by a different actor or actress every time they were seen. Like they just don't have enough understanding of humanity to check the details about what they looked like the last time they had to talk to one of us. Just stick the same bird on each actor's head and it'll be clear that they're the same character. No one else would dress like that. |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 17, 2016 13:15:42 GMT
These are the Guardians who should be in Doctor Who:  |
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Post by mrperson on Jun 17, 2016 18:46:20 GMT
Eh, they always felt more like they belonged in a comic/superhero thing than a sci-fi show. I wouldn't mind if I never heard from them again. Are you thinking of the Guardians of the Universe from Green Lantern? Considering what they let happen, such as the Manhunters, Blackest Night, the Third Army, Wrath of the First Lantern etc, the Guardians in Doctor Who are preferable. Negligent to deal with big threats at best (and punishing Hal for trying to stop those threats) and endangering the cosmos at worst. Even after they're gone their legacy still comes back to haunt the Green Lantern Corps. Well, not any particular comic/superhero thing. They just never felt like a proper fit for the Who universe. Perhaps I'll think of a better way to put it, but they were basically a more ambiguous God:Devil relationship. They smelled too much like a deity, even in a show where you have creatures from another universe who appear indistinguishable from actual gods, say, Fenric. Their appearance also calls into my mind Tom Baker's criticism of the guardian arc from his autobiography... Anyway, what more can one really do with them? BF already expanded. I suppose the only other place that might make sense is an appearance in the Time War..... |
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Post by jasonward on Jun 17, 2016 22:37:05 GMT
These are the Guardians who should be in Doctor Who: I have no idea what that is, but just from the look of it, NO. |
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jun 17, 2016 22:46:42 GMT
These are the Guardians who should be in Doctor Who: I have no idea what that is, but just from the look of it, NO. You don't know Guardians of the Galaxy? |
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Post by icecreamdf on Jun 18, 2016 1:10:12 GMT
Doctor Who's already got talking trees. And a talking racoon is no more ridiculous than a shapeshifting penguin.
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Post by jasonward on Jun 18, 2016 2:11:20 GMT
I have no idea what that is, but just from the look of it, NO. You don't know Guardians of the Galaxy? Nope, I don't read/watch any comic book stuff, it really is not to my taste. |
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Post by icecreamdf on Jun 18, 2016 2:13:51 GMT
You don't know Guardians of the Galaxy? Nope, I don't read/watch any comic book stuff, it really is not to my taste. Even if you didn't see the movie, how did you manage to miss all of the marketing for it? |
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Post by jasonward on Jun 18, 2016 2:19:08 GMT
Nope, I don't read/watch any comic book stuff, it really is not to my taste. Even if you didn't see the movie, how did you manage to miss all of the marketing for it? I can't say specifically, but when your really just not interested, it's really easy not to see stuff. If I hated comic book stuff, I'd see it, if I loved comic book stuff I'd see it, but as it basically doesn't register with me one way or the other, I just don't see it. |
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Post by Ela on Jun 19, 2016 16:21:06 GMT
I don't have a strong feeling one or the other on whether the Guardians should return. If there's a good story involving them, I say, bring it on. But they shouldn't be brought back just for the sake of bringing them back.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 19, 2016 18:19:53 GMT
Even if you didn't see the movie, how did you manage to miss all of the marketing for it? I can't say specifically, but when your really just not interested, it's really easy not to see stuff. If I hated comic book stuff, I'd see it, if I loved comic book stuff I'd see it, but as it basically doesn't register with me one way or the other, I just don't see it. I think you'd like Guardians of the Galaxy. Strictly speaking it is a comicbook movie but it's more of a space opera than a part of the superhero genre. I don't know if you like Back to the Future but it's got a very similar tone to BTTF - there's even a cool 80s soundtrack. |
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Post by icecreamdf on Jun 19, 2016 18:27:40 GMT
I can't say specifically, but when your really just not interested, it's really easy not to see stuff. If I hated comic book stuff, I'd see it, if I loved comic book stuff I'd see it, but as it basically doesn't register with me one way or the other, I just don't see it. I think you'd like Guardians of the Galaxy. Strictly speaking it is a comicbook movie but it's more of a space opera than a part of the superhero genre. I don't know if you like Back to the Future but it's got a very similar tone to BTTF - there's even a cool 80s soundtrack. More importantly, it has a talking racoon with a giant gun. |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 19, 2016 19:09:11 GMT
I think you'd like Guardians of the Galaxy. Strictly speaking it is a comicbook movie but it's more of a space opera than a part of the superhero genre. I don't know if you like Back to the Future but it's got a very similar tone to BTTF - there's even a cool 80s soundtrack. More importantly, it has a talking racoon with a giant gun. And who wouldn't want to watch a film about a talking racoon with a giant gun? Let's not forget the massive tree who can only respond with the words "I am Groot!" |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2016 22:00:35 GMT
More importantly, it has a talking racoon with a giant gun. And who wouldn't want to watch a film about a talking racoon with a giant gun? Let's not forget the massive tree who can only respond with the words "I am Groot!" It's a lot better than it sounds. Very cleverly done that film. Also, I can't help but feel there's a Black Guardian by my shoulder... |
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Post by icecreamdf on Jun 19, 2016 23:07:43 GMT
More importantly, it has a talking racoon with a giant gun. And who wouldn't want to watch a film about a talking racoon with a giant gun? Let's not forget the massive tree who can only respond with the words "I am Groot!" Yeah, I was agreeing with you. And Groot learned a couple more words by the end. |
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Post by MayoTango131 on Jun 24, 2016 15:07:03 GMT
They have taken male form in the past, but there is really no reason they couldn't take female form. They aren't men or women. I actually like the idea of a Guardian taking female form than a Timelord switching genders with regeneration. In fact, I think it would be cool if the Guardians were played by a different actor or actress every time they were seen. Like they just don't have enough understanding of humanity to check the details about what they looked like the last time they had to talk to one of us. What you just said also applies to the Time Lords too, they are not human, remember? Marc Platt did a great job to make them as alien as are possible until RTD spoil it all with the Tenth Doctor. And that of "switching genders" may explain the asexual nature of the Time Lords and the classic Doctors. |
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Post by MayoTango131 on Jun 24, 2016 15:12:30 GMT
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Post by MayoTango131 on Jun 24, 2016 15:20:26 GMT
I would have liked to see the Guardians before, in another the Key to Time saga to repair the damage to the universe and time web because of the Time War. That's my theory why not see consequences of the Time War in the New Series as we saw in the books of the Eighth Doctor.
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Post by elkawho on Jun 24, 2016 15:59:06 GMT
I actually like the idea of a Guardian taking female form than a Timelord switching genders with regeneration. In fact, I think it would be cool if the Guardians were played by a different actor or actress every time they were seen. Like they just don't have enough understanding of humanity to check the details about what they looked like the last time they had to talk to one of us. What you just said also applies to the Time Lords too, they are not human, remember? Marc Platt did a great job to make them as alien as are possible until RTD spoil it all with the Tenth Doctor. And that of "switching genders" may explain the asexual nature of the Time Lords and the classic Doctors. Really? Did we really need RTD bashing in this thread? The Timelords have DNA. My biggest problem with regenerating into the opposite sex is that they have DNA. It has nothing to do with being "human". There are a thousand variables that can be expressed by DNA, except for the chromosomes that express sexual orientation. Plus, just for a way to get your audience invested there has to be something that makes a character stay true to that character throughout his/her regenerations. They change face, body, personality so what is the thread that carries through that individual's life? Finally, I have a hard time believing that a species that is higher than a worm evolved with such fluid gender expression when EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT THEM IS HUMANOID. Now, I haven't read Lungbarrow, so I don't really understand the looming stuff, but it seems to me that it makes no sense from an evolutionary standpoint. (The above is not taking about transgender as it relates to humans. That is a completely different subject from what I am describing above.) The Guardians are higher beings that take humanoid form. No DNA or icky evolution to worry about. So they would have to pay attention to details and remember them every time they wanted to mix with us lower beings. That's where I'm coming from. |
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