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Post by muckypup on Jun 14, 2016 23:04:25 GMT
An open mind....yes but I doubt I will ever like Matt Lucas in or out of Doctor who... I shudder with horror at the attempt he made at Mr Toad in the BBC's wind in the willows. I hear you. Matt Lucas does seem to be something of an acquired taste but I did think the same thing about Catherine Tate when she was announced as the new companion. I'm approaching this in the hopes of lighting striking twice. But I liked Catherine Tate before she was in Doctor who. but I am hoping lightning strikes twice too....right on Matt Lucas's head
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Post by relativetime on Jun 15, 2016 3:30:17 GMT
I find the reactions from many fans to this news is pretty ridiculous. Really, one person is going to RUIN an entire series for you? We don't even know if it's just for a single episode or not!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 4:49:23 GMT
I find the reactions from many fans to this news is pretty ridiculous. Really, one person is going to RUIN an entire series for you? We don't even know if it's just for a single episode or not! Well the press release quotes Moffat as saying "this time he's staying around" so its not one episode. And most of the posts I've read are commenting that this seems to be reinforcing a trend that they're nervous about, so it's not just a backlash against one stunt casting.
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Post by relativetime on Jun 15, 2016 5:06:06 GMT
I find the reactions from many fans to this news is pretty ridiculous. Really, one person is going to RUIN an entire series for you? We don't even know if it's just for a single episode or not! Well the press release quotes Moffat as saying "this time he's staying around" so its not one episode. And most of the posts I've read are commenting that this seems to be reinforcing a trend that they're nervous about, so it's not just a backlash against one stunt casting. My mistake - I'd only seen the headlines when I posted, which, I admit, makes me look rather foolish for even commenting on a piece of news I hadn't read properly. All the same, I'm curious as to what you mean by "reinforcing a trend"? Are you referring to the announcement of certain writers returning for Series 10 or the quality of the last season?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 5:22:48 GMT
Well the press release quotes Moffat as saying "this time he's staying around" so its not one episode. And most of the posts I've read are commenting that this seems to be reinforcing a trend that they're nervous about, so it's not just a backlash against one stunt casting. My mistake - I'd only seen the headlines when I posted, which, I admit, makes me look rather foolish for even commenting on a piece of news I hadn't read properly. All the same, I'm curious as to what you mean by "reinforcing a trend"? Are you referring to the announcement of certain writers returning for Series 10 or the quality of the last season? The comedic theme, with Bill being positioned as being very jokey and wise-cracking, now followed by this.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jun 15, 2016 6:02:17 GMT
I didn't particularly like or dislike the character in Husbands. He seems like a random character to bring back, but I'm sure Moffat has something good planned for him. Also, wasn't he decapitated in his last appearance?
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Post by icecreamdf on Jun 15, 2016 6:10:40 GMT
OH NO! can the news get any worse.
a doctor I don't like, a Wisemouth teenager and an imbecile.
I want to be positive but head in hands moment here.
Mr Moffat is certainly making some bold choices for his final series.
I'm expecting Kandyman to turn up & be a companion. Please let this happen.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jun 15, 2016 6:10:45 GMT
My mistake - I'd only seen the headlines when I posted, which, I admit, makes me look rather foolish for even commenting on a piece of news I hadn't read properly. All the same, I'm curious as to what you mean by "reinforcing a trend"? Are you referring to the announcement of certain writers returning for Series 10 or the quality of the last season? The comedic theme, with Bill being positioned as being very jokey and wise-cracking, now followed by this. As opposed to Any who was jokey and wisecracking, and Clara who was jokey and wisecracking..
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Post by relativetime on Jun 15, 2016 6:49:18 GMT
My mistake - I'd only seen the headlines when I posted, which, I admit, makes me look rather foolish for even commenting on a piece of news I hadn't read properly. All the same, I'm curious as to what you mean by "reinforcing a trend"? Are you referring to the announcement of certain writers returning for Series 10 or the quality of the last season? The comedic theme, with Bill being positioned as being very jokey and wise-cracking, now followed by this. Compared to what many fans saw in Series 8? Yeah, I can certainly see why that would be a complaint people would have, myself included. In fact, I consider Series 9 a weaker series FOR pursuing a more lighthearted approach. But, the general opinion I've heard from most people I've talked to and seen online was more favorable to Series 9 than Series 8 - a lot of people loved it. According to Rotten Tomatoes, both critics and audiences liked Series 9 JUST A BIT more than Series 8, with it sitting at a 93 compared to Series 8's 91 and with an audience approval rating of 88 to Series 8's 78. That and the reception of each episode as they came out leads me to think people dissatisfied with Series 9's direction - and the supposed direction of the next series - really sit in the minority.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jun 15, 2016 7:07:35 GMT
Series 10 could very well be classic Who's season 24.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jun 15, 2016 7:10:50 GMT
Short of cancelling the show, nothing would please you about it. Nothing. Not at all. DW needs a complete rethink. The scripts are poor, and Capaldi and Missy have fans divided. Continually killing companions and bringing them back are a nonsense. A subtle performance from the right Doctor and Master could work wonders. A companion from a different time zone isn't asking much, and a break from visual effects and sonic devices would definitely help the narrative. Actually i think Paul has raised some good points here, sometimes you just have to tell it as it is.
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Post by chrisscorkscrew on Jun 15, 2016 7:23:55 GMT
You know, I think half the problem is this announcing of companions and other characters in the press.
Frankly I preferred the Classic Who tradition of new companions being a surprise - it kept you guessing throughout stories as to whether one companion would leave and another join, and meant that the dangers in the episode felt real as companions could die or leave at any point.
I can appreciate why new Doctors are announced, but companions? Better to go back to the old system and stop the destructive speculation...
Chriss C.
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Post by bobod on Jun 15, 2016 8:42:50 GMT
Terrible choice of character to bring back. There are far more deserving characters who need to return before Nardole. How about Captain Jack, for instance? He was last in the show six years ago and long overdue a return. I can't help but have formed the impression you'd like Captain Jack to reappear in the show.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 15, 2016 8:44:53 GMT
Terrible choice of character to bring back. There are far more deserving characters who need to return before Nardole. How about Captain Jack, for instance? He was last in the show six years ago and long overdue a return. I can't help but have formed the impression you'd like Captain Jack to reappear in the show. Whatever gave you that impression?
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Post by bobod on Jun 15, 2016 9:08:46 GMT
You know, I think half the problem is this announcing of companions and other characters in the press. Frankly I preferred the Classic Who tradition of new companions being a surprise - it kept you guessing throughout stories as to whether one companion would leave and another join, and meant that the dangers in the episode felt real as companions could die or leave at any point. I can appreciate why new Doctors are announced, but companions? Better to go back to the old system and stop the destructive speculation... What period of the show are you going back to? All the new companions on the period I was watching the original show were in the papers beforehand, following press calls.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 9:11:05 GMT
Not at all. DW needs a complete rethink. The scripts are poor, and Capaldi and Missy have fans divided. Continually killing companions and bringing them back are a nonsense. A subtle performance from the right Doctor and Master could work wonders. A companion from a different time zone isn't asking much, and a break from visual effects and sonic devices would definitely help the narrative. Actually i think Paul has raised some good points here, sometimes you just have to tell it as it is. I'm loathed to throw any season into the mud before it's even had an opportunity to get off the ground, but there's this very nasty little trend that's been developing to the tune of what Paul has said. Unless there's a sudden swerve towards the Heaven Sent-style of storytelling, it may be that we're in for another year of throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. The Twelfth Doctor still hasn't found his feet yet and the companions are starting to become interchangeable facsimiles that can be summed up as "goofy, smarmy and almost constantly showing up the Doctor." Honestly, the solution is very simple. Big Finish managed to have it nailed almost from the get-go -- have dramatic consequences for your story and you fix everything. Kill your cast and keep them dead, show us why we should care about these characters, give us threatening villains who mean what they say and will do what they claim without hesitation. There's a reason why most, if not all Dalek and Cybermen stories during this run haven't worked. There are no stakes, give the characters something to fight for and have the audience fear that they will lose.
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Post by aztec on Jun 15, 2016 10:31:47 GMT
-They didn't really have much choice but to postpone Series 10, Moffat and the crew were exhausted, Moffat had to work on Sherlock series 4 and help set up Class at the same time (whilst its' true RTD had a hand in Torchwood and the SJA he only wrote a handful of episodes of each and largely left the show in other producers hands), would you rather he further divided his time and increase his workload? it's not like the BBC have a backup experienced showrunner on call to parachute in a moments notice for a year... -Judging by the rumours/articles I've read over the years, I wouldn't be at all surprised to find it Chibnall was the only writer deem experienced enough by the BBC that actually wanted, and was able to commit to the job, Gattis and Harness have very limited showrunning experience, the BBC was hardly going to sign up an in-expereinced producer to a 3 or 4 year contract on one of it's biggest money makers, Chibnall ran Torchwood for two years already... Are you trying to tell me that from all the TV Producer in the UK, only Chibnall was suitable? What about the Producers from such shows as Foyles War? Happy Valley? The Crimson Field? or The Musketeers? None of them were suitaible? Now, before you have a go at me. Yes, Doctor Who is Sci-Fi, but its about the drama. You could probably have made The Crimson Field a Sci-Fi. I think in the BBC's view yes that was sadly, and probably likely, Doctor Who maybe a drama, but it's also a family orientated saturday night sci fi show, so perhaps it's viewed primarily as a fluffy entertainment show? Both Moffat and RTD had written comedic and family aimed shows before so they were natural candidates, the writer/producers of the above would be coming at the series from a very different perspective. Moffat implied in interviews that it took him quite a while to find a successor, when you look at the stress and constraints of the job and all the sh*t him and RTD got from fans from trying to inject a bit of their personality into the role, you do have to wonder why any writer would actually want the job nowadays...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 10:58:11 GMT
Are you trying to tell me that from all the TV Producer in the UK, only Chibnall was suitable? What about the Producers from such shows as Foyles War? Happy Valley? The Crimson Field? or The Musketeers? None of them were suitaible? Now, before you have a go at me. Yes, Doctor Who is Sci-Fi, but its about the drama. You could probably have made The Crimson Field a Sci-Fi. I think in the BBC's view yes that was sadly, and probably likely, Doctor Who maybe a drama, but it's also a family orientated saturday night sci fi show, so perhaps it's viewed primarily as a fluffy entertainment show? Both Moffat and RTD had written comedic and family aimed shows before so they were natural candidates, the writer/producers of the above would be coming at the series from a very different perspective. Moffat implied in interviews that it took him quite a while to find a successor, when you look at the stress and constraints of the job and all the sh*t him and RTD got from fans from trying to inject a bit of their personality into the role, you do have to wonder why any writer would actually want the job nowadays... For the rare opportunity to leave an indelible mark on a now worldwide cultural phenomenon? Just work on such a fun series that can be moulded into virtually anything you want it to be?
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Post by bobod on Jun 15, 2016 11:01:00 GMT
I think in the BBC's view yes that was sadly, and probably likely, Doctor Who maybe a drama, but it's also a family orientated saturday night sci fi show, so perhaps it's viewed primarily as a fluffy entertainment show? Both Moffat and RTD had written comedic and family aimed shows before so they were natural candidates, the writer/producers of the above would be coming at the series from a very different perspective. Moffat implied in interviews that it took him quite a while to find a successor, when you look at the stress and constraints of the job and all the sh*t him and RTD got from fans from trying to inject a bit of their personality into the role, you do have to wonder why any writer would actually want the job nowadays... For the rare opportunity to leave an indelible mark on a now worldwide cultural phenomenon? Just work on such a fun series that can be moulded into virtually anything you want it to be? ..and have the internet tell you that you shouldn't be making it in what you want it to be? (and indeed should make it what they want it to be?)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 11:07:06 GMT
For the rare opportunity to leave an indelible mark on a now worldwide cultural phenomenon? Just work on such a fun series that can be moulded into virtually anything you want it to be? ..and have the internet tell you that you shouldn't be making it in what you want it to be? (and indeed should make it what they want it to be?)
Well, to be fair I think there would be a great deal less authors and artists if they stopped to listen to their fans.
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