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Post by escalus5 on Jun 17, 2016 0:43:45 GMT
Count me in as another viewer who couldn't stand the Zygon two-parter. I didn't even like Capaldi's big speech, which was overwritten and heavy-handed. I saw a video of McGann at a convention performing that speech and even he couldn't make it work.
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Post by bobod on Jun 17, 2016 8:58:57 GMT
I've never liked that thing of getting the other Doctors to deliver a speech at a convention. They've usually had the thing passed to them seconds before they read it. And I know of one Doctor who did it once and afterwards said if he'd known it wasn't just for that moment in the room and was going to be seen by shedloads of folk on the internet he wouldn't have done it.
I don't really think the performance of someone tossing off a reading of a speech they've just been handed is a guide to whether that speech is any good.
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Post by escalus5 on Jun 17, 2016 13:19:20 GMT
I don't really think the performance of someone tossing off a reading of a speech they've just been handed is a guide to whether that speech is any good.
I wasn't using it as a guide. I watched the video because I find McGann more appealing an actor than Capaldi, and in general McGann's cold readings are very good. Thought maybe Capaldi was the problem. Nope. The speech just doesn't work for me with any actor, not in a live reading nor after it's been rehearsed, shot and edited. I think it stinks.
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Post by bobod on Jun 17, 2016 13:26:37 GMT
I don't know who this guy but I'm very concerned that they're bringing back Frank Cottrell Boyce. In the Forest of the Night was painfully bad. It had such a unique concept and utterly ran it into the ground. Whatever some might have thought of In the Forest... someone with Frank Cottrell Boyce's reputation and CV was going to get to do more.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2016 0:56:08 GMT
I've never liked that thing of getting the other Doctors to deliver a speech at a convention. They've usually had the thing passed to them seconds before they read it. And I know of one Doctor who did it once and afterwards said if he'd known it wasn't just for that moment in the room and was going to be seen by shedloads of folk on the internet he wouldn't have done it.
I don't really think the performance of someone tossing off a reading of a speech they've just been handed is a guide to whether that speech is any good. Nah. You can make the argument that some monologues are more fluid than others, but it's more a measure of an actor/actress's improvisational skills than what's written. From what I've seen, Colin Baker is almost always very good at it and I think that's primarily down to his talents as a stage actor. Things occasionally go wrong, you miss a line or there's a prop malfunction and you have to stay in character for the benefit of the audience.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 18, 2016 12:15:12 GMT
I don't know who this guy but I'm very concerned that they're bringing back Frank Cottrell Boyce. In the Forest of the Night was painfully bad. It had such a unique concept and utterly ran it into the ground. Whatever some might have thought of In the Forest... someone with Frank Cottrell Boyce's reputation and CV was going to get to do more. People tend to forget that Russell T Davies produced a widely hated episode too - Love & Monsters - but people still hold him in high regard. Frank Cottrell Boyce might produce an episode this time that a lot more people enjoy (personally, I liked In The Forest Of The Night but it was certainly one of the show's most disliked episodes).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 5:46:25 GMT
Well, we've seen Matt on set now. The duffel coat is back but he is sans massive robot body Pleasingly for me The Doctor is back to his scraggly hoody-tshirt look with longer hair.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 28, 2016 8:32:35 GMT
I can't look at Matt Lucas on set without thinking 'that should be John Barrowman there'. Hopefully Matt Lucas will prove that Nardole is a character deserving of a return but I still think another return appearance from Jack should have come first.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jun 28, 2016 12:00:20 GMT
Pleasingly for me The Doctor is back to his scraggly hoody-tshirt look with longer hair. Does Capaldi actually know what he is doing?
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Post by Timelord007 on Jun 28, 2016 12:06:23 GMT
I can't look at Matt Lucas on set without thinking 'that should be John Barrowman there'. Hopefully Matt Lucas will prove that Nardole is a character deserving of a return but I still think another return appearance from Jack should have come first. Completely agree, Moffats completely ignored this character & it's about time Captain Jack was back, i think he'd be brilliant with Capaldis Doctor. I have 0% interest in Nardole returning but 100% interest in Capt Jacks return.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jun 28, 2016 12:27:46 GMT
I've never liked that thing of getting the other Doctors to deliver a speech at a convention. They've usually had the thing passed to them seconds before they read it. And I know of one Doctor who did it once and afterwards said if he'd known it wasn't just for that moment in the room and was going to be seen by shedloads of folk on the internet he wouldn't have done it.
I don't really think the performance of someone tossing off a reading of a speech they've just been handed is a guide to whether that speech is any good.
I hated cold readings when I was acting. But, also, each line is written specifically for that actor. (Appearing at EdFringe 2016) I could never imagine Pertwee saying "Do I have the right", or "The human race - indomitable" etc.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 28, 2016 13:51:27 GMT
I can't look at Matt Lucas on set without thinking 'that should be John Barrowman there'. Hopefully Matt Lucas will prove that Nardole is a character deserving of a return but I still think another return appearance from Jack should have come first. Completely agree, Moffats completely ignored this character & it's about time Captain Jack was back, i think he'd be brilliant with Capaldis Doctor. I have 0% interest in Nardole returning but 100% interest in Capt Jacks return. Jack would have been great alongside the 11th Doctor. Total missed opportunity.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 14:03:50 GMT
I've never liked that thing of getting the other Doctors to deliver a speech at a convention. They've usually had the thing passed to them seconds before they read it. And I know of one Doctor who did it once and afterwards said if he'd known it wasn't just for that moment in the room and was going to be seen by shedloads of folk on the internet he wouldn't have done it.
I don't really think the performance of someone tossing off a reading of a speech they've just been handed is a guide to whether that speech is any good.
I hated cold readings when I was acting. But, also, each line is written specifically for that actor. (Appearing at EdFringe 2016) I could never imagine Pertwee saying "Do I have the right", or "The human race - indomitable" etc. Huh. I can actually see the Doctor's genocide speech from Genesis of the Daleks working for pretty much any Doctor barring possibly Bill Hartnell. It'd be a rare show of weakness for the Third Doctor, something I think we'd only really see in Planet of the Daleks when he believes Jo is dead and when he confronts the Great One in Planet of the Spiders. I think he'd be about to press the two wires together on his own initiative right before he's interrupted, then he's grateful for not having gone through with it like he intended to rather than being paralysed by indecision like Four was. The monologue about indomitability would be rather grudging coming from him I think. Quietly moved maybe, more focussed on the technology than the individuals behind it. Far from the awestruck attitude of his successor. There will always be exceptions of course. I can't imagine the First Doctor calling the TARDIS "sexy" (or hell even "beautiful" as Neil Gaiman claimed in The Doctor's Wife), his seventh incarnation spinning around the console chanting "Doctor Who", Three saying "Look at me I'm stupid," like Nine does when he's feigning ignorance or Five saying "Judoon platoon upon the moon," although to be fair I can see that between him and Peri with him quietly admonishing her for the rhyme.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jun 28, 2016 15:49:29 GMT
I can't look at Matt Lucas on set without thinking 'that should be John Barrowman there'. Hopefully Matt Lucas will prove that Nardole is a character deserving of a return but I still think another return appearance from Jack should have come first. Well, given that Jack and Nardole are very different characters, I don't think their roles are exactly interchangeable.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 15:52:14 GMT
Pleasingly for me The Doctor is back to his scraggly hoody-tshirt look with longer hair. Does Capaldi actually know what he is doing? Being someone who has won an Oscar and a BAFTA, yes. He does. You clearly don't though and I would seek help for your sever misanthropy if I were you.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jun 28, 2016 17:26:15 GMT
Does Capaldi actually know what he is doing? Being someone who has won an Oscar and a BAFTA, yes. He does. You clearly don't though and I would seek help for your sever misanthropy if I were you. I'm sorry but having an Oscar and BAFTA doesn't help him. His hair has been short, long, short, long. His trousers black, Troughton, Black. He's worn shirt, tshirt, shirt, tshirt. A Black jacket, hoodie, jacket, hoodie. His costume is all over the place, and a mess!
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Post by icecreamdf on Jun 28, 2016 17:46:26 GMT
Being someone who has won an Oscar and a BAFTA, yes. He does. You clearly don't though and I would seek help for your sever misanthropy if I were you. I'm sorry but having an Oscar and BAFTA doesn't help him. His hair has been short, long, short, long. His trousers black, Troughton, Black. He's worn shirt, tshirt, shirt, tshirt. A Black jacket, hoodie, jacket, hoodie. His costume is all over the place, and a mess! I'm pretty sure he's not in charge of his costume or hairstyling.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jun 28, 2016 17:59:58 GMT
I'm sorry but having an Oscar and BAFTA doesn't help him. His hair has been short, long, short, long. His trousers black, Troughton, Black. He's worn shirt, tshirt, shirt, tshirt. A Black jacket, hoodie, jacket, hoodie. His costume is all over the place, and a mess! I'm pretty sure he's not in charge of his costume or hairstyling. What?
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Post by escalus5 on Jun 28, 2016 18:29:19 GMT
Does Capaldi actually know what he is doing? Being someone who has won an Oscar and a BAFTA, yes. He does. I think Paul's question has some weight. I'm not always certain that Capaldi is entirely confident with his acting choices (in Doctor Who), probably because of inconsistencies in the (generally) poor writing. And using an actor's list of awards to counter criticism is never convincing. Even multi-award winning actors can be awful if the writing isn't there and the actor isn't given proper direction. Plus, Capaldi won the Oscar for directing a short film (not acting), so that's a bit misleading.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jun 28, 2016 19:47:38 GMT
I'm pretty sure he's not in charge of his costume or hairstyling. What? I mean, I'm pretty sure he doesn't just come into work with his black pants or his hoodie or whatever, and then they film him wearing his own clothes. If you want to complain about the costume (which is a pretty dumb complaint anyway), then don't blame Capaldi.
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