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Post by constonks on Jul 6, 2016 2:13:40 GMT
Not sure I have any predictions, but I do hope he makes an effort to move away from forcing plot arcs into every season and all the companion home life stuff. Part of me doubts it as, outside of comedy, arcs are pretty much a reality of modern television and the way it's consumed. Even in comedy, to be honest. I can think of one or two comedies without arcs but the definite trend is towards serialization. After all, how hard is it to catch up nowadays?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 5:26:26 GMT
Part of me doubts it as, outside of comedy, arcs are pretty much a reality of modern television and the way it's consumed. Even in comedy, to be honest. I can think of one or two comedies without arcs but the definite trend is towards serialization. After all, how hard is it to catch up nowadays? There are even children's shows like The Amazing World of Gumball where there's a definite sense of continuity between prominent episodes, even if it's in the spirit of "So, you escaped from [Noun]." It's very rare nowadays to see a television series that properly exists in Negative Continuity and doesn't at the very least acknowledge all that has previously transpired in its little corner of existence. Doctor Who is one of those shows that has suffered the Chris Carter effect with its story arcs in most recent years, I hope that there's an effort to steer clear of them for the most part. A show can survive without having a big Question(tm) at the end of each season, there wouldn't be standalone programmes like The Twilight Zone or The Avengers that survive on their eclectic charms and wit otherwise. Make each individual narrative matter by removing the concept that your audience is waiting for the real story and everything should more or less fall into place.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jul 6, 2016 7:56:33 GMT
Hoping Chibnail era becomes a more mysterious sci-fi drama & stops being too soapy.
I think Doctor Who is currently lacking that shock factor, I'd like more uncertainties, maybe a story were a previous Doctor saved a world & then the present Doctor returns to that world to discover his interference has actually caused political unrest or a civil war.
This would question that the Doctors good intentions don't always provide the greater outcome.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 10:30:30 GMT
Hoping Chibnail era becomes a more mysterious sci-fi drama & stops being too soapy. I think Doctor Who is currently lacking that shock factor, I'd like more uncertainties, maybe a story were a previous Doctor saved a world & then the present Doctor returns to that world to discover his interference has actually caused political unrest or a civil war. This would question that the Doctors good intentions don't always provide the greater outcome. An idea I had for the Eleventh Doctor's regeneration before it was broadcast was to have the same story told from two differing perspectives a la The Veiled Leopard with the Twelfth Doctor having to go back just after he'd regenerated and make sure his prior incarnation was manoeuvred into just the right circumstances for him to perish. For an added bit of drama, the story actually an alternate Twelfth Doctor who was trying to do the same thing to make sure he would live but in the end, it'd all prove for naught and he'd take it sadly, but gracefully. I thought that would add an interesting element we hadn't seen in a regeneration story before.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 6, 2016 14:51:19 GMT
The Face of Evil.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jul 6, 2016 15:08:59 GMT
Hoping Chibnail era becomes a more mysterious sci-fi drama & stops being too soapy. I think Doctor Who is currently lacking that shock factor, I'd like more uncertainties, maybe a story were a previous Doctor saved a world & then the present Doctor returns to that world to discover his interference has actually caused political unrest or a civil war. This would question that the Doctors good intentions don't always provide the greater outcome. So, basically Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jul 6, 2016 17:02:11 GMT
Hoping Chibnail era becomes a more mysterious sci-fi drama & stops being too soapy. I think the 'soapy' elements work quite well, especially the way RTD did it by introducing a heavy focus on the domestic life. Besides, Moffat hasn't really done it much - only Brian Williams has had any kind of major domestic focus.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jul 6, 2016 17:42:42 GMT
Hoping Chibnail era becomes a more mysterious sci-fi drama & stops being too soapy. I think Doctor Who is currently lacking that shock factor, I'd like more uncertainties, maybe a story were a previous Doctor saved a world & then the present Doctor returns to that world to discover his interference has actually caused political unrest or a civil war. This would question that the Doctors good intentions don't always provide the greater outcome. So, basically Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways? Not quite previous back story I'd focus on a civil war that the Doctor arrives to & set's up peaceful negotiations, those negotiations would change that planets history for the worst as that war actually needed to happen to secure peace, this also shows the doctor is fallible & doesn't always get it right despite his best intentions. I'd bring in a add mystery to the companion if he/she was morally good or bad & if the companion could be trusted or is simply using the doctor for there time travelling in the tardis for he/she own devious plan. I'd tease hints about if the new companion could be trusted or not but let the audience to draw there own conclusions about him/her until the final episode revealed the truth.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jul 6, 2016 17:44:51 GMT
Hoping Chibnail era becomes a more mysterious sci-fi drama & stops being too soapy. I think Doctor Who is currently lacking that shock factor, I'd like more uncertainties, maybe a story were a previous Doctor saved a world & then the present Doctor returns to that world to discover his interference has actually caused political unrest or a civil war. This would question that the Doctors good intentions don't always provide the greater outcome. An idea I had for the Eleventh Doctor's regeneration before it was broadcast was to have the same story told from two differing perspectives a la The Veiled Leopard with the Twelfth Doctor having to go back just after he'd regenerated and make sure his prior incarnation was manoeuvred into just the right circumstances for him to perish. For an added bit of drama, the story actually an alternate Twelfth Doctor who was trying to do the same thing to make sure he would live but in the end, it'd all prove for naught and he'd take it sadly, but gracefully. I thought that would add an interesting element we hadn't seen in a regeneration story before. Great idea mate, i like it.
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Post by mrperson on Jul 6, 2016 17:56:25 GMT
Not sure I have any predictions, but I do hope he makes an effort to move away from forcing plot arcs into every season and all the companion home life stuff. Part of me doubts it as, outside of comedy, arcs are pretty much a reality of modern television and the way it's consumed. Perhaps that's why there's a lot of modern television I don't like (almost all of it). Some shows are built for arcs - Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones, etc, - but I just never felt that they're needed in Who. (Though I do like everything but the very conclusion of Season 5's arc in the reboot. But Season 5's arc actually had a function in each story it appeared in. The others felt tacked on, at the expense of episodes which I already think are rushed given the usual 45-50m running time.). I hope Chinball uses them more sparingly.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 6, 2016 18:15:39 GMT
Hoping Chibnail era becomes a more mysterious sci-fi drama & stops being too soapy. I think the 'soapy' elements work quite well, especially the way RTD did it by introducing a heavy focus on the domestic life. Besides, Moffat hasn't really done it much - only Brian Williams has had any kind of major domestic focus. Are you serious? What about Amy and Rory, Craig Owens and baby, and Clara and Danny?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jul 6, 2016 19:58:46 GMT
I think the 'soapy' elements work quite well, especially the way RTD did it by introducing a heavy focus on the domestic life. Besides, Moffat hasn't really done it much - only Brian Williams has had any kind of major domestic focus. Are you serious? What about Amy and Rory, Craig Owens and baby, and Clara and Danny? What's soapy about Amy and Rory or Clara and Danny? Romance isn't exclusive to soaps and is found in many sci-fi stories. Would you call Jurassic World 'soapy' too? Also: Craig and his baby was one episode. The baby wasn't even the main focus.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jul 6, 2016 20:24:06 GMT
So, basically Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways? Not quite previous back story I'd focus on a civil war that the Doctor arrives to & set's up peaceful negotiations, those negotiations would change that planets history for the worst as that war actually needed to happen to secure peace, this also shows the doctor is fallible & doesn't always get it right despite his best intentions. I'd bring in a add mystery to the companion if he/she was morally good or bad & if the companion could be trusted or is simply using the doctor for there time travelling in the tardis for he/she own devious plan. I'd tease hints about if the new companion could be trusted or not but let the audience to draw there own conclusions about him/her until the final episode revealed the truth. Well, I think Bad Wolf does do that. The Doctor defeated the Jagrofess in The Long Game, and that caused Earth society to completely collapse. I'm perfectly happy with the companions just being good guys. I was never a huge fan of Turlough.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jul 6, 2016 20:36:57 GMT
I reckon Chris Chibnail will be brought back to write some stories for this era, you wait and see.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 6, 2016 21:30:58 GMT
Are you serious? What about Amy and Rory, Craig Owens and baby, and Clara and Danny? What's soapy about Amy and Rory or Clara and Danny? Romance isn't exclusive to soaps and is found in many sci-fi stories. Would you call Jurassic World 'soapy' too? Also: Craig and his baby was one episode. The baby wasn't even the main focus. The baby became the focus twice. First, when he spoke to the Doctor, and again when Craig thought of him to stop becoming a Cyberman. And, Brian Williams only did one episide, whilst Craig did two.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jul 6, 2016 21:39:40 GMT
What's soapy about Amy and Rory or Clara and Danny? Romance isn't exclusive to soaps and is found in many sci-fi stories. Would you call Jurassic World 'soapy' too? Also: Craig and his baby was one episode. The baby wasn't even the main focus. The baby became the focus twice. First, when he spoke to the Doctor, and again when Craig thought of him to stop becoming a Cyberman. And, Brian Williams only did one episide, whilst Craig did two. Brian did two.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jul 6, 2016 21:44:10 GMT
What's soapy about Amy and Rory or Clara and Danny? Romance isn't exclusive to soaps and is found in many sci-fi stories. Would you call Jurassic World 'soapy' too? Also: Craig and his baby was one episode. The baby wasn't even the main focus. The baby became the focus twice. First, when he spoke to the Doctor, and again when Craig thought of him to stop becoming a Cyberman. And, Brian Williams only did one episide, whilst Craig did two. Baby talk was a gag, not a focus. Craig thinking of him to stop the Cybermen was the episode's resolution (albeit a poor one), not the baby being a major focus. Brian Williams was in two episodes - Dinosaurs on a Spaceship and The Power of Three.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jul 6, 2016 21:53:12 GMT
I think Doctor Who needs a more serious shift in tone, it's become little lacklustre of late, tv is changing for the better but Doctor Who for me has lost that shock factor, Heavens Sent was a amazing episode ruined by Hell Bent & Claras resurrection.
So all that drama built up in Face The Raven evaporated into nothing because Moffat can't kill of characters instead uses another get out of jail free card.
The companions just feel there being churned out on a factory line & have no variety, no doubt Bill is another universe saviour.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 6, 2016 22:53:25 GMT
The baby became the focus twice. First, when he spoke to the Doctor, and again when Craig thought of him to stop becoming a Cyberman. And, Brian Williams only did one episide, whilst Craig did two. Baby talk was a gag, not a focus. Craig thinking of him to stop the Cybermen was the episode's resolution (albeit a poor one), not the baby being a major focus. Brian Williams was in two episodes - Dinosaurs on a Spaceship and The Power of Three. God, forgot about Power of Three. The baby is the whole point of the episode.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jul 6, 2016 23:05:38 GMT
Baby talk was a gag, not a focus. Craig thinking of him to stop the Cybermen was the episode's resolution (albeit a poor one), not the baby being a major focus. Brian Williams was in two episodes - Dinosaurs on a Spaceship and The Power of Three. God, forgot about Power of Three. The baby is the whole point of the episode. I disagree. The point of the episode is the crashed spaceship under the department store. The baby doesn't become significant to the main plot until the climax.
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