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Post by aztec on Jun 25, 2016 9:02:55 GMT
I've listened to 10 of the L.S so far, and I've mostly really enjoyed them (Frazer Hines Troughton impression is at times lifelike...) I was wondering whether anyone could explain why the range was ended? Was it simply a lack of suitable/detailed enough stories, rights issues, popularity of the range or something else? Because it seems there are lots more 'lost' stories/scripts/treatments that could get adapated, albeit many of them might not be in much detail (if they still exist in any form): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unmade_Doctor_Who_serials_and_films
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jun 25, 2016 9:12:25 GMT
IIRC it was because they ran out of adaptable stories (ie stories that didn't exist as an idea scribbled on a napkin (ie "Yellow Fever and How to Cure It")).
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Post by aztec on Jun 25, 2016 9:14:27 GMT
IIRC it was because they ran out of adaptable stories (ie stories that didn't exist as an idea scribbled on a napkin (ie "Yellow Fever and How to Cure It")). Yeah that was why I'd assumed, thanks for the reply.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jun 25, 2016 9:21:13 GMT
It's a shame, as Is love to have heard Lucarotti's version of "Ark in Space" or the orginal versions of "Pyramids" and "Morbius".
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 25, 2016 9:23:54 GMT
Perhaps they could revive it with the new series?
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jun 25, 2016 9:25:44 GMT
Perhaps they could revive it with the new series? The infamous Fry episode perhaps?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 25, 2016 9:26:38 GMT
Perhaps they could revive it with the new series? The infamous Fry episode perhaps? That would be brilliant, especially if they actually got Stephen Fry to write it. Has he written audio dramas before?
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Post by mark687 on Jun 25, 2016 9:53:38 GMT
BF had done all the ones that could be fully adapted.
The remaining ones either had rights issues or not enough material to create a workable story.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 10:17:16 GMT
I'm sure David Richardson said that sales were slipping, which might have halted any work on possible future stories - not that there were many left, I think. Robert Holmes's 'Yellow Fever and How to Cure It' has been discussed on forums, but apparently there was never anything other than a vague idea in the first place. And yet other 'reports' have said the story was well into planning stage back in the mid 80's. Shame it isn't being pursued, I'd love to hear it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 10:58:39 GMT
The thing is there are plenty of stories that would probably have sold really well they could've adapted. You could have a full version of Shada directly based off the script featuring 4. There's also Illegal Alien and Lost In The Dark Dimension. I know they can't adapt the Ultimate Evil (due to rights) or Yellow Fever, but there are still plenty of full scripts from the 4th Doctor's era. There's Child Prodigy (Season 17), The Dogs Of Darkness (18/19), Shylock (17/18), Erinella (17/18), (possibly) Fires Of The Starmind (13), (possibly) Invasion Of The Veridans (18), Killers Of The Dark (15), The Lost Legion (14), Nightmare Planet (13), Sealed Orders (18), Space Station (12) and the Tearing Of The Veil (17/18) that all have complete scripts. As for new Who there's a story set in Pompeii (although that would be the 3rd time that's happened), a Paul Abbot episode, Century House, A Midwinter's Tale, The 1920s, The Suicide Exhibition and the JK Rowling episode just from Russell's era. And at least half of them have potential to be Lost Stories, now. At the end of the day, I think they just weren't doing well from a sales perspective during the final series.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 25, 2016 11:09:09 GMT
and the JK Rowling episode just from Russell's era. Although that would require JK Rowling to agree to voicing herself. It is possible that she could given that she guest-starred in The Simpsons but I have no idea if she has done any audio dramas (I would guess not given she is a writer, not an actor).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 11:16:05 GMT
and the JK Rowling episode just from Russell's era. Although that would require JK Rowling to agree to voicing herself. It is possible that she could given that she guest-starred in The Simpsons but I have no idea if she has done any audio dramas (I would guess not given she is a writer, not an actor). I never specified which had potential. That was one that probably wouldn't. I was more referring to Century House and the 1920s.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 25, 2016 11:20:36 GMT
Although that would require JK Rowling to agree to voicing herself. It is possible that she could given that she guest-starred in The Simpsons but I have no idea if she has done any audio dramas (I would guess not given she is a writer, not an actor). I never specified which had potential. That was one that probably wouldn't. I was more referring to Century House and the 1920s. The 1920s one would be good, although I'm not sure I'd want to see it adapted without Stephen Fry onboard. Century House would require Yvette Fielding and I'm not sure if she's done voice acting before. The unmade new series story with the most potential in my opinion is The Suicide Exhibition as it sounds like a nice idea and wouldn't require big names to sign on for it.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 25, 2016 12:26:40 GMT
In fact, after reading the latest Complete History I've changed my mind. The Chelonian space war planned for the Easter Special that later became Planet of the Dead sounded amazing.
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Post by dorney on Jun 25, 2016 12:51:52 GMT
The thing is there are plenty of stories that would probably have sold really well they could've adapted. You could have a full version of Shada directly based off the script featuring 4. There's also Illegal Alien and Lost In The Dark Dimension. I know they can't adapt the Ultimate Evil (due to rights) or Yellow Fever, but there are still plenty of full scripts from the 4th Doctor's era. There's Child Prodigy (Season 17), The Dogs Of Darkness (18/19), Shylock (17/18), Erinella (17/18), (possibly) Fires Of The Starmind (13), (possibly) Invasion Of The Veridans (18), Killers Of The Dark (15), The Lost Legion (14), Nightmare Planet (13), Sealed Orders (18), Space Station (12) and the Tearing Of The Veil (17/18) that all have complete scripts. As for new Who there's a story set in Pompeii (although that would be the 3rd time that's happened), a Paul Abbot episode, Century House, A Midwinter's Tale, The 1920s, The Suicide Exhibition and the JK Rowling episode just from Russell's era. And at least half of them have potential to be Lost Stories, now. At the end of the day, I think they just weren't doing well from a sales perspective during the final series. I'm not actually convinced that all those stories do have complete scripts in existence to be honest. The stories on that list were taken to script, yes, but whether those scripts actually still exist or are available to be made is quite a different matter. I'm pretty certain nothing is known to exist of Erinella or Killers in the Dark, for example. People did look. Sealed Orders wouldn't have the rights available. In most cases there is even less information available than Yellow Fever.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 13:15:36 GMT
The thing is there are plenty of stories that would probably have sold really well they could've adapted. You could have a full version of Shada directly based off the script featuring 4. There's also Illegal Alien and Lost In The Dark Dimension. I know they can't adapt the Ultimate Evil (due to rights) or Yellow Fever, but there are still plenty of full scripts from the 4th Doctor's era. There's Child Prodigy (Season 17), The Dogs Of Darkness (18/19), Shylock (17/18), Erinella (17/18), (possibly) Fires Of The Starmind (13), (possibly) Invasion Of The Veridans (18), Killers Of The Dark (15), The Lost Legion (14), Nightmare Planet (13), Sealed Orders (18), Space Station (12) and the Tearing Of The Veil (17/18) that all have complete scripts. As for new Who there's a story set in Pompeii (although that would be the 3rd time that's happened), a Paul Abbot episode, Century House, A Midwinter's Tale, The 1920s, The Suicide Exhibition and the JK Rowling episode just from Russell's era. And at least half of them have potential to be Lost Stories, now. At the end of the day, I think they just weren't doing well from a sales perspective during the final series. I'm not actually convinced that all those stories do have complete scripts in existence to be honest. The stories on that list were taken to script, yes, but whether those scripts actually still exist or are available to be made is quite a different matter. For example, I'm pretty certain nothing is known to exist of Erinella or Killers in the Dark, for example. People did look. Sealed Orders wouldn't have the rights available. In most cases there is even less information available than Yellow Fever. On the plus side, a lot of these ambiguous premises often become springboards for authors' works that are otherwise wholly original. One example for the former would be the Rani using a university as a front for her experiments, a premise unique to both Network and The Rani Elite, respectively. Another could be JNT's premise for Mel's introduction story where the main villain plans to crash the stock market that is quite possibly used for Davros with TAI. Kit Pedler's Genesis of the Cybermen may even have been the inspiration for Spare Parts. Another possibility is that these lost stories are taken by their original authors and evolve into entirely new beasts. Ed Young's Night Thoughts for the Main Range technically counts as a Lost Stories adaptation as it was considered for Season 27 or maybe 28 at one stage. The wonderful Loups-Garoux was originally pitched as a Five/Tegan/Nyssa story before years and years later it was resculpted to become a Five/Turlough story. Outside of Big Finish, Cat's Cradle was transformed into Time's Crucible, Animal into Warlock, and Avatar into White Darkness. Rarely do these stories simply lie sleeping. We often get to see them in one form or another.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 13:26:01 GMT
The thing is there are plenty of stories that would probably have sold really well they could've adapted. You could have a full version of Shada directly based off the script featuring 4. There's also Illegal Alien and Lost In The Dark Dimension. I know they can't adapt the Ultimate Evil (due to rights) or Yellow Fever, but there are still plenty of full scripts from the 4th Doctor's era. There's Child Prodigy (Season 17), The Dogs Of Darkness (18/19), Shylock (17/18), Erinella (17/18), (possibly) Fires Of The Starmind (13), (possibly) Invasion Of The Veridans (18), Killers Of The Dark (15), The Lost Legion (14), Nightmare Planet (13), Sealed Orders (18), Space Station (12) and the Tearing Of The Veil (17/18) that all have complete scripts. As for new Who there's a story set in Pompeii (although that would be the 3rd time that's happened), a Paul Abbot episode, Century House, A Midwinter's Tale, The 1920s, The Suicide Exhibition and the JK Rowling episode just from Russell's era. And at least half of them have potential to be Lost Stories, now. At the end of the day, I think they just weren't doing well from a sales perspective during the final series. I'm not actually convinced that all those stories do have complete scripts in existence to be honest. The stories on that list were taken to script, yes, but whether those scripts actually still exist or are available to be made is quite a different matter. I'm pretty certain nothing is known to exist of Erinella or Killers in the Dark, for example. People did look. Sealed Orders wouldn't have the rights available. In most cases there is even less information available than Yellow Fever. Since you work at Big Finish, would it ever have been considered to do a Lost Stories season with, say, The Suicide Exhibition or Lost In The Dark Dimension, as they were on the verge of being made.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Jun 25, 2016 13:43:48 GMT
You could have a full version of Shada directly based off the script featuring 4. There's also Illegal Alien and Lost In The Dark Dimension. I know they can't adapt the Ultimate Evil (due to rights) or Yellow Fever, but there are still plenty of full scripts from the 4th Doctor's era. Do those scripts still exist at this late date, though? And are they suitable for adapting? And are they any good? And wouldnt it be cheaper to hire a writer to invent a new story, not adapt an old one that they'd have to buy? It's also worth pointing out there are plenty of versions of "Shada" already; "Illegal Alien" was done as a novel; and "The Dark Dimension" simply isn't worth doing. The script is illicitly out there online, and if you read it you'll find out that practically nothing happens, and the stuff that happens doesn't make sense. Also, you may struggle to find any Doctors willing to perform it!
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jun 25, 2016 13:46:53 GMT
You could have a full version of Shada directly based off the script featuring 4. There's also Illegal Alien and Lost In The Dark Dimension. I know they can't adapt the Ultimate Evil (due to rights) or Yellow Fever, but there are still plenty of full scripts from the 4th Doctor's era. Do those scripts still exist at this late date, though? And are they suitable for adapting? And are they any good? And wouldnt it be cheaper to hire a writer to invent a new story, not adapt an old one that they'd have to buy? It's also worth pointing out there are plenty of versions of "Shada" already; "Illegal Alien" was done as a novel; and "The Dark Dimension" simply isn't worth doing. The script is illicitly out there online, and if you read it you'll find out that practically nothing happens, and the stuff that happens doesn't make sense. Also, you may struggle to find any Doctors willing to perform it! Second the motion to leave Shada alone. Whichever version floats your boat (8's for me) we have enough of them.
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Post by dorney on Jun 25, 2016 14:42:53 GMT
I'm not actually convinced that all those stories do have complete scripts in existence to be honest. The stories on that list were taken to script, yes, but whether those scripts actually still exist or are available to be made is quite a different matter. I'm pretty certain nothing is known to exist of Erinella or Killers in the Dark, for example. People did look. Sealed Orders wouldn't have the rights available. In most cases there is even less information available than Yellow Fever. Since you work at Big Finish, would it ever have been considered to do a Lost Stories season with, say, The Suicide Exhibition or Lost In The Dark Dimension, as they were on the verge of being made. The Suicide Exhibition was the lost Gatiss 10 story, wasnt it? That one's a no, as when the Lost Stories were being done, audios with Tennant were not on the cards. I don't recall Dark Dimension ever really being a contender.
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