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Post by Tim Bradley on Jan 18, 2019 7:10:18 GMT
I personally would've liked 'Project Zeta-Sigma' to be adapted into a Big Finish audio for the Lost Stories range, now that BF has done audio stories with the complete Season 19 cast of Peter, Sarah, Janet and Matthew. I'm guessing there's a rights issue preventing this from happening with regards to John Flanagan and Andrew McCulloch providing the script. It would be interesting to discover what the Fifth Doctor's original debut story was like had it been made instead of 'Castrovalva'. Though I'm guessing they would have to alter the story's structure somewhat with it being originally a post-regeneration story. Tim.
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Post by kennysmith on Jan 18, 2019 8:16:06 GMT
You could have a full version of Shada directly based off the script featuring 4. There's also Illegal Alien and Lost In The Dark Dimension. I know they can't adapt the Ultimate Evil (due to rights) or Yellow Fever, but there are still plenty of full scripts from the 4th Doctor's era. Do those scripts still exist at this late date, though? And are they suitable for adapting? And are they any good? And wouldnt it be cheaper to hire a writer to invent a new story, not adapt an old one that they'd have to buy? It's also worth pointing out there are plenty of versions of "Shada" already; "Illegal Alien" was done as a novel; and "The Dark Dimension" simply isn't worth doing. The script is illicitly out there online, and if you read it you'll find out that practically nothing happens, and the stuff that happens doesn't make sense. Also, you may struggle to find any Doctors willing to perform it! The man to ask is the fabulous Richard Bignell. He knows what does and doesn't exist.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 10:00:59 GMT
Do those scripts still exist at this late date, though? And are they suitable for adapting? And are they any good? And wouldnt it be cheaper to hire a writer to invent a new story, not adapt an old one that they'd have to buy? It's also worth pointing out there are plenty of versions of "Shada" already; "Illegal Alien" was done as a novel; and "The Dark Dimension" simply isn't worth doing. The script is illicitly out there online, and if you read it you'll find out that practically nothing happens, and the stuff that happens doesn't make sense. Also, you may struggle to find any Doctors willing to perform it! The man to ask is the fabulous Richard Bignell. He knows what does and doesn't exist. One of the wonderful chaps behind, you guessed it, Nothing at the End of the Lane. I got their Farewell, Great Macedon scriptbook release on a recommendation from John Dorney. ^_^ It and Vworp Vworp! are considered very precious entries on my bookshelf nowadays, fanzines meeting their truest potential in the best possible terms. Jam-packed with content.
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Post by dannybl on Jan 18, 2019 11:03:19 GMT
Great photo! I'd almost accept that shoot as being 'in costume' Paul and Lalla look very much in character
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Post by Timelord007 on Jan 18, 2019 11:18:13 GMT
They ran out of lost stories.
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Post by chronotis on Jun 17, 2021 4:01:35 GMT
I would dearly love the Lost Stories to come back, even just a boxset of two. The 4th Doctor's era was barely touched - but now with Tom and Lalla working together now hopefully Big Finish could revisit some of the Lost Stories from their era. From my understanding, from reading various websites and forums over the years, the following 4th Doctor stories had full scripts, that may still exist and in most cases the original writer is still with us who could write/advise on the stories - many of these stories have features written about them in DWM. The Menday Fault By David Wiltshire (was written for Sarah, but even if it made production it probably would have been made with Leela given the script was submitted close to Elisabeth Sladen's departure. The Doomsday Contract by John Lloyd The Psychonauts By David Fisher Tearing of the Veil by Alan Drury The Mouth of Grath by Malcolm Edwards and Leroy Kettle Enough for a couple more 4th Doctor Lost Stores Box Sets. Come on Big Finish I need more lost Tom!!!! Thankfully you got your wish. Back in 2016, I never would have dreamed that we'd get The Doomsday Contract. Do we know if Tearing of the Veil by Alan Drury still exists? Sounds like a draft was completed and accepted by Adams. I'd love it to be a Big Finish release.
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Post by cwm on Jun 17, 2021 9:12:35 GMT
Nothing exists of The Tearing of the Veil any more.
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Post by chronotis on Jun 18, 2021 14:48:59 GMT
Nothing exists of The Tearing of the Veil any more. That is a huge shame. Ah well. Sounds like it was a fun romp. Hopefully we'll get another Season 17 (aka the best season of the show) Lost Story at some point. The Doomsday Contract was great.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2021 22:35:32 GMT
Nothing exists of The Tearing of the Veil any more. That is a huge shame. Ah well. Sounds like it was a fun romp. Hopefully we'll get another Season 17 (aka the best season of the show) Lost Story at some point. The Doomsday Contract was great. Well... Never say die. There's at least a pitch of the story knocking about: Stories have found new life going from much less. I could almost see the script being done by Paul Magrs with his "Nest Cottage" hat on. Or Alan Barnes in his surgical suite of Gothic grotesquery with a touch of whimsy.
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Post by theillusiveman on Jun 19, 2021 4:22:56 GMT
Honestly if they can make the lost stories season 27 Which itself wasn’t accurate to what they set out back in 1990 Then they can easily adapt Yellow Fever as there is an outline according to Ian Levine
Plus there are other lost stories like the six doctors and Gallifrey by Pip and Jane Baker
Plus what about unmade books they could also be an option for the lost stories range like Terrance Dicks The Spin Doctor and Lawrence Miles Valentine’s Day (in which a pregnant woman gives birth to a Dalek)
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Post by cwm on Jun 19, 2021 10:30:28 GMT
Many people whose word I trust over Ian Levine's have said over the years that there is nothing to adapt of Yellow Fever.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 10:45:43 GMT
Honestly if they can make the lost stories season 27 Which itself wasn’t accurate to what they set out back in 1990 Then they can easily adapt Yellow Fever as there is an outline according to Ian Levine Plus there are other lost stories like the six doctors and Gallifrey by Pip and Jane Baker Plus what about unmade books they could also be an option for the lost stories range like Terrance Dicks The Spin Doctor and Lawrence Miles Valentine’s Day (in which a pregnant woman gives birth to a Dalek) I don't disagree with your sentiment, but Series 27 was in the hands of Andrew Cartmel, which lends it an air of 'authenticity'.
Robert Holmes and Pip and Jane have sadly long since gone, and I'm not sure Levine's word counts for much, so I'm not sure who Big Finish could contact about the stories you mention. Having said that, there's clearly such interest in these stories, could BF ever attempt them, with a 'from an idea from ...' credit on the packaging? I think a lot of people would be happy if they did - unless the rights are in the way.
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Post by theillusiveman on Jun 19, 2021 10:46:06 GMT
Many people whose word I trust over Ian Levine's have said over the years that there is nothing to adapt of Yellow Fever. Well considering that Ian worked on the show back in the 80s as the unofficial continuity consultant (for better or worse) during The 80s and apparently was gifted the outline from Eric Saward around that time i am going to give him the benefit of the doubt. if he can give the outline to Big Finish then i am sure they can do something with it
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Post by fitzoliverj on Jun 19, 2021 10:47:42 GMT
Many people whose word I trust over Ian Levine's have said over the years that there is nothing to adapt of Yellow Fever. Problem is, they might be able to attest to the *likelihood* of there being something, but not to whether there's *actually* anything in his vault. And even if there is, that doesn't mean BF can get hold of it, or get permisson from the Holmes estate to use it, or if it's actually worth doing in the first place.
Plus there are other lost stories like the six doctors and Gallifrey by Pip and Jane Baker Plus what about unmade books they could also be an option for the lost stories range like Terrance Dicks The Spin Doctor and Lawrence Miles Valentine’s Day (in which a pregnant woman gives birth to a Dalek) "Gallifrey" seems doubtful; firstly, I don't think there's any material (shades of Yellow Fever), secondly it wouldn't fit continuity from the little we know of the plot; thirdly, there are evidently problems wiht the Baker estate, hence no Rani stories recently. As for the novel proposals, the BBC Books were under-edited as it is, so anything that didn't make the grade can't have been ideal. I can't find anything online for "Spin Doctor", which is an awful title, and your description of the Miles story sounds ghastly. The essential questions in relation to Lost Stories are as follows: 1) does material exist? 2) can it be used? 3) is it any good? (or, if not, is there a presumption of doing it anyway, as with the cancelled Colin Baker stories#) And you need 3 out 3 to proceed. "Dark Dimension" fails on #3 (and probably #2), for example.
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Post by theillusiveman on Jun 19, 2021 11:07:54 GMT
Many people whose word I trust over Ian Levine's have said over the years that there is nothing to adapt of Yellow Fever. Problem is, they might be able to attest to the *likelihood* of there being something, but not to whether there's *actually* anything in his vault. And even if there is, that doesn't mean BF can get hold of it, or get permisson from the Holmes estate to use it, or if it's actually worth doing in the first place.
Plus there are other lost stories like the six doctors and Gallifrey by Pip and Jane Baker Plus what about unmade books they could also be an option for the lost stories range like Terrance Dicks The Spin Doctor and Lawrence Miles Valentine’s Day (in which a pregnant woman gives birth to a Dalek) "Gallifrey" seems doubtful; firstly, I don't think there's any material (shades of Yellow Fever), secondly it wouldn't fit continuity from the little we know of the plot; thirdly, there are evidently problems wiht the Baker estate, hence no Rani stories recently. As for the novel proposals, the BBC Books were under-edited as it is, so anything that didn't make the grade can't have been ideal. I can't find anything online for "Spin Doctor", which is an awful title, and your description of the Miles story sounds ghastly. The essential questions in relation to Lost Stories are as follows: 1) does material exist? 2) can it be used? 3) is it any good? (or, if not, is there a presumption of doing it anyway, as with the cancelled Colin Baker stories#) And you need 3 out 3 to proceed. "Dark Dimension" fails on #3 (and probably #2), for example. Continuity doesnt seem to be an issue now given that Return of The Cybermen is in its own universe
is it any good? well if that the case it didnt stop The Ultimate Evil from being adapted for Audio so Dark Dimension should easily work too.
The Spin Doctor outline is in The DWM which covered Terrance Dicks- i think the article was The Script Doctor. basically The Doctors past companions (eg: Jo, The Brigadier) are brought to gallifrey where they recount several crimes the doctor committed, Fitz goes undercover as The Doctor while Sam Jones finds herself in a alternative universe with a sleazy evil Doctor and its revealed that its the corrupt high council who are behind the ordeal trying to take revenge on the doctor for the events of The 8 Doctors.
tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Enemy_of_the_Daleks_(novel) (apologies it was The Lance Parkin story that had a woman giving birth to a dalek it was going to be released but the author was too busy with Emmerdale so they replaced it with another book Parallel 59 )
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