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Post by mrperson on Aug 31, 2016 13:21:19 GMT
I enjoyed it, but I had a problem with the Doctor's solution at the end. He uses the alien holographic machine to make the village look like the caves and vice versa. Isn't the holographic machine in the caves? Therefore as soon as the first bombs fall, the images change and the village is unprotected. If they are making a second sweep they'd see the village in the proper position. Did I miss something or did the writer? Perhaps the possibility of a second sweep was an unavoidable risk he had to take, that it was a bet that the ruins produced by bombing the caves would be so ruinous that the bombing commander would decide no other sweep was necessary (and hopefully, return by taking a direction that would not bring the planes over the village's actual position).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 23:28:38 GMT
Wonderful quasi-historical. Poor Mel, she lives in the universe now, doesn't she?
Mel, The Doctor and Ace seem set to collide this month.....
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Post by Admin on Sept 14, 2016 10:01:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 6:46:17 GMT
I had quite a good time with this. A bit sad there had to be the info-dump about the two sides of the Spanish Civil War - is it really that obscure a conflict for modern audiences? I guess it may be.
Loved that Mel had such a down to earth story even after the sci-fi elements kicked in. She's traveling in time and space but somehow still retains that bit more humanity than a lot of other companions. With many other TARDIS travelers finding love and having to say goodbye to it so soon would be a cliche and probably a bit shoehorned. Yet there's something about Mel's character that makes me believe this whirlwind romance that bit more. Guy manages to make it quite subtle and not as on the nose as I've seen that idea depicted elsewhere.
I'm with Kim that I would probably like this more as a pure historical but that's purely a taste issue.
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Post by Ela on Dec 31, 2017 18:33:27 GMT
I suspect not everyone is familiar with the Spanish Civil War.
An enjoyable listen, was expecting a pure historical, but wasn't disappointed by the sci-fi aspect.
The discussion of finding actors with the right accents in the extras was interesting.
Also, the story Guy Adams told of the man he met from what was formerly a leper colony was very interesting. I liked his treatment of the man with Hansen's disease in the actual story and the way he turned that man into an actual hero. Hansen's disease is still very misunderstood by many.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 19:56:45 GMT
It is interesting to visit other countries histories and insert the Tardis crew .This story actually has some good characterisations and I think serves Mel very well. I am of an age that studied these episodes of history am not sure it is the case nowadays,I may be wrong ,so information in the story is welcome if I am honest.I do like the chemistry between Mel and Juan you definitely get the feeling this Mel having rejoined the Doctor is a maturer woman and Ace and the Doctor are very much in character.It has a nice steady pacing too am surprised I haven’t played it much . I enjoyed Christopher Hatherall in his journalist role and thought I know that name ...yep he has written quite a bit for BF
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Post by slithe on Dec 28, 2020 10:35:22 GMT
It is interesting to visit other countries histories and insert the Tardis crew .This story actually has some good characterisations and I think serves Mel very well. I am of an age that studied these episodes of history am not sure it is the case nowadays,I may be wrong ,so information in the story is welcome if I am honest.I do like the chemistry between Mel and Juan you definitely get the feeling this Mel having rejoined the Doctor is a maturer woman and Ace and the Doctor are very much in character.It has a nice steady pacing too am surprised I haven’t played it much . I enjoyed Christopher Hatherall in his journalist role and thought I know that name ...yep he has written quite a bit for BF I too have studied this period of history and it is probably why this story actually made an impression on me and I enjoyed it more than the casual listener may have done. It is strong on characterisation and the plot is quite a strong one. If I'm honest, I am not sure if this 'works' as a Seventh Doctor story. It may be better as a Fifth/Sixth story - Sixie and Constance could fit this quite easily. Minor criticisms aside, this is the best story out of that trilogy. The older-Mel arc also doesn't seem to go anywhere either. I personally like this and Red Planets out of that run - the rest is not brilliant. I love the Seventh Doctor but his trilogies are very uneven, which is a great shame.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 11:01:01 GMT
It is interesting to visit other countries histories and insert the Tardis crew .This story actually has some good characterisations and I think serves Mel very well. I am of an age that studied these episodes of history am not sure it is the case nowadays,I may be wrong ,so information in the story is welcome if I am honest.I do like the chemistry between Mel and Juan you definitely get the feeling this Mel having rejoined the Doctor is a maturer woman and Ace and the Doctor are very much in character.It has a nice steady pacing too am surprised I haven’t played it much . I enjoyed Christopher Hatherall in his journalist role and thought I know that name ...yep he has written quite a bit for BF I too have studied this period of history and it is probably why this story actually made an impression on me and I enjoyed it more than the casual listener may have done. It is strong on characterisation and the plot is quite a strong one. If I'm honest, I am not sure if this 'works' as a Seventh Doctor story. It may be better as a Fifth/Sixth story - Sixie and Constance could fit this quite easily. Minor criticisms aside, this is the best story out of that trilogy. The older-Mel arc also doesn't seem to go anywhere either. I personally like this and Red Planets out of that run - the rest is not brilliant. I love the Seventh Doctor but his trilogies are very uneven, which is a great shame. I am not sure that we need in the stories a “story arc” or anything fantastic to be exposed if you know what I mean.There should just be a maturer Mel perhaps being a guiding figure to Ace perhaps I mean Ace still appears to be a lover (?) of danger and explosions etc one of the many adrenaline junkies,perhaps she just needs Mel to expose the actual dangers and negative side of these things.I will also give Maker of Demons a relisten as that was one that didn’t quite gel despite its obvious Shakespearean origins but listening to the trailer again I was like mmmmm it definitely needs a relisten. I have been enjoying delving into the vast library at my disposal that hit the Doctor Who notes that the TV series fails to deliver to me. What was good in this definitely was the rapport between the two companions and their partners in this ,some nice touches adding flesh to the bones of their characters. It was a good Guy Adams script and actually quite an interesting BF foe too
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Post by ljwilson on Dec 28, 2020 11:16:28 GMT
The good thing about these past story reviews is that they can inspire a relisten, which I will try and do for this one today.
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Post by grinch on Dec 28, 2020 11:20:52 GMT
To be honest, this is one which I think would have been much better had it simply just been a pure historical. That is just a matter of personal preference though.
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Post by slithe on Dec 29, 2020 12:48:21 GMT
To be honest, this is one which I think would have been much better had it simply just been a pure historical. That is just a matter of personal preference though. Yes, I think it would have been a bit stronger as a pure historical as well.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2020 10:48:24 GMT
To be honest, this is one which I think would have been much better had it simply just been a pure historical. That is just a matter of personal preference though. Yes, I think it would have been a bit stronger as a pure historical as well. Well there is plenty of scope for another writer to take another team and revisit the Historical period might give them a break from Elizabethan England or Victorian England or even just England lol😂😉 I mean damn it we don’t have a Torchwood styled organisation or a Jago and Litefoot/Paternoster type gang for Georgian England yet
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2020 11:08:51 GMT
To be honest, this is one which I think would have been much better had it simply just been a pure historical. That is just a matter of personal preference though. Yes, I think it would have been a bit stronger as a pure historical as well. To be honest, I love Fiesta of the Damned the way it is, the balance between historical and sci-fi is pretty much perfect. This joins Red Planets, Muse of Fire and The Monsters of Gokroth as my favourite Seventh Doctor stories from recent years.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2020 11:46:30 GMT
Yes, I think it would have been a bit stronger as a pure historical as well. To be honest, I love Fiesta of the Damned the way it is, the balance between historical and sci-fi is pretty much perfect. This joins Red Planets, Muse of Fire and The Monsters of Gokroth as my favourite Seventh Doctor stories from recent years. Not the typical choices of most folks I like that
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Post by slithe on Dec 31, 2020 12:23:22 GMT
To be honest, I love Fiesta of the Damned the way it is, the balance between historical and sci-fi is pretty much perfect. This joins Red Planets, Muse of Fire and The Monsters of Gokroth as my favourite Seventh Doctor stories from recent years. I agree that these are probably the better Seventh Doctor stories from recent years. Would add Grey Man of the Mountain (and possibly Subterfuge) to that list as well. This release would probably not have been out of place with the 13th Doctor's TARDIS Crew either - it evokes a similar approach to some of the pseudo-historical we've seen in the Chibnall Era.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2020 14:03:57 GMT
To be honest, I love Fiesta of the Damned the way it is, the balance between historical and sci-fi is pretty much perfect. This joins Red Planets, Muse of Fire and The Monsters of Gokroth as my favourite Seventh Doctor stories from recent years. Not the typical choices of most folks I like that I'm surprised Gokroth wasn't more acclaimed. I love it, but that's probably because of my love of those old-style horror films at which this release makes a few nods. The Grey Man of the Mountain is bubbling under that list too.
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Post by grinch on Dec 31, 2020 14:11:15 GMT
Not the typical choices of most folks I like that I'm surprised Gokroth wasn't more acclaimed. I love it, but that's probably because of my love of those old-style horror films at which this release makes a few nods. The Grey Man of the Mountain is bubbling under that list too. I think the remaining two stories of the dreadful Mags Trilogy might have soured people’s opinions on Gokroth. Even though it’s definitely the best story out of the entire trilogy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2020 14:38:43 GMT
I'm surprised Gokroth wasn't more acclaimed. I love it, but that's probably because of my love of those old-style horror films at which this release makes a few nods. The Grey Man of the Mountain is bubbling under that list too. I think the remaining two stories of the dreadful Mags Trilogy might have soured people’s opinions on Gokroth. Even though it’s definitely the best story out of the entire trilogy. I have to agree. I'm not sure what they were going for with The Moons of Vulpana (a kind of Twilight parody or something?) or An Alien Werewolf in London (the title is the best thing about it), but the results really were pretty bad and a huge waste of the returning Mags. A real shame. As you say, the latter two releases may have dragged down the reputation of Gokroth.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2020 15:01:52 GMT
I think the remaining two stories of the dreadful Mags Trilogy might have soured people’s opinions on Gokroth. Even though it’s definitely the best story out of the entire trilogy. I have to agree. I'm not sure what they were going for with The Moons of Vulpana (a kind of Twilight parody or something?) or An Alien Werewolf in London (the title is the best thing about it), but the results really were pretty bad and a huge waste of the returning Mags. A real shame. As you say, the latter two releases may have dragged down the reputation of Gokroth. It’s funny I really enjoyed Vulpana and did Alien Werewolf the other day and thought it was okay too....but they should definitely give Mags another Trilogy
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2020 15:06:44 GMT
I have to agree. I'm not sure what they were going for with The Moons of Vulpana (a kind of Twilight parody or something?) or An Alien Werewolf in London (the title is the best thing about it), but the results really were pretty bad and a huge waste of the returning Mags. A real shame. As you say, the latter two releases may have dragged down the reputation of Gokroth. It’s funny I really enjoyed Vulpana and did Alien Werewolf the other day and thought it was okay too....but they should definitely give Mags another Trilogy That's the beauty of these releases, I think. You win some, you lose some! But yes, another Mags trilogy - or box-set - would be very welcome.
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