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Post by ollychops on Sept 12, 2016 16:36:45 GMT
Barrowman's gone down in my estimations after that. It's a bit unprofessional and catty. Also, I can't see Moffat having complete control over the Whoniverse - surely the BBC execs are the ones who have the final say over whether Torchwood comes back or not?
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Post by Zagreus on Sept 12, 2016 16:43:34 GMT
I could see it as a situation where Moffat would be given a "sign off on this to make sure it's not going against anything you're doing in the parent show" type of deal. Considering he's already doing Who and Sherlock and having to read over and sign off on Class, I can see how he'd want to not add something else to his plate and just leave it up to his successor.
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Post by xlozdob on Sept 12, 2016 18:12:50 GMT
Tom Spilsbury (DWM editor) on Moffat blocking a Torchwood revival.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 18:49:33 GMT
It could be moffat, but I really don't think that he can block it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 19:05:00 GMT
It could be moffat, but I really don't think that he can block it. No, I don't think so either. Especially since TW has already worked completely autonomously of Doctor Who in it's last series. Comparisons with Class aren't apt since Moffat is actually involved with that on a production level, to some extent. If the Beeb want Torchwood back, there's nothing that Steven Moffat would need to be consulted on at all especially now that he's leaving and any new TW would surely not air until he goes. I suspect that BBC Drama just don't want it to come back enough for anyone to actively champion it.
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Post by elkawho on Sept 13, 2016 13:40:21 GMT
Whatever the reason, TV's loss is our gain. The type and quality of the stories we're getting would never be done on TV. Can you imagine Suzie or Yvonne Hartmann stories on TV? Or a story like Broken? I think BF are doing more with the series, and doing it better, than TV ever did.
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Post by xlozdob on Sept 13, 2016 15:14:44 GMT
A statement issued by the Moff himself ( source):
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 15:27:49 GMT
So it's - seemingly - as we thought above.
I'm loving the audios but it's clear Barrowman and Eve Myles want the "real"show back on screens. If it happens, great - but I'd hate to lose the audios.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 15:39:18 GMT
In fairness, Barrowman didn't name Moffat, or so I understand. It was all just a nod and a wink.
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Post by Ela on Sept 13, 2016 15:42:12 GMT
Fans probably made the assumption that Barrowman meant Moffat. It's kind of scary how quickly some people jump from a comment to assuming they know who's being talked about to sending hate mail to the presumed culprit.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 15:56:32 GMT
Fans probably made the assumption that Barrowman meant Moffat. It's kind of scary how quickly some people jump from a comment to assuming they know who's being talked about to sending hate mail to the presumed culprit. It's not just fans believing it though is it? Media outlets are running the story all over the place so they believe that's who Barrowman meant as well. Crucially though - has Barrowman done anything to deny it is Moffat when the fans and media reported it en masse? It's in newspapers and media outlets like Digital Spy so if Mofffat stumbled on the news by chance, I don't think it would escape Barrowman his words are all over the press and he'd be able to say "it's not Moffat" on one of his many social media platforms or by issuing a statement as Moffat has.
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Post by coffeeaddict on Sept 13, 2016 16:12:46 GMT
I may be missing something, but is there really widespread appetite for the show to be revived? Outside of some of the cast and the odd fan I can't recall ever having heard or seen anything calling for a return to screen. Again, maybe I am missing something and if so please direct me to the relevant articles.
I remember when DW was off the air, even here in Canada we would hear about those looking for a revival, I don't see the same for Torchwood. After the travesty that was the joint production with Starz, I don't think I would be all that keen on a television revival.
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Post by Zagreus on Sept 13, 2016 16:32:24 GMT
Am I the only one who actually liked Miracle Day? "Travesty". Really now.
Get Rex in one of the audios or something.
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Post by ollychops on Sept 13, 2016 17:06:08 GMT
Miracle Day... had its moments. It's not as awful as some make it out to be, but it's far from amazing either. From what I remember at the time, I thought it would've been better if it'd had a shorter number of episodes, instead of being stretched across over 10. But it also doesn't help that it came after the incredible Children of Earth, so it had a lot to live up to.
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Post by Zagreus on Sept 13, 2016 17:27:25 GMT
I know plenty of casual fans of Torchwood who've watched the whole series and like it. I've never met anyone within the more-than-casual Doctor Who fandom scene that likes all of Torchwood. They usually either like series 1 & 2 and dislike CoE & Miracle Day, or like CoE and dislike the rest. And liking Miracle Day is apparently taboo. It's an odd dichotomy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 17:31:59 GMT
Am I the only one who actually liked Miracle Day? "Travesty". Really now. Get Rex in one of the audios or something. Yes, you are. The absolute only one. Not even RTD liked it if the rumours I've heard (i.e the rumour I'm starting now) is to be believed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 18:00:51 GMT
Miracle Day is an odd beast. It's clearly an attempt to relaunch the show for the US market...but it's got absolutely loads of continuity about Gwen and Rhys' lives that really must have been odd for a new viewer to see. They're seeing a mostly US based espionage/conspiracy show..but it keeps cutting to a part of the UK they probably couldn't find on a map and you'd be left wondering why these Welsh people are so important while the characters that really should be the leads are killed off or ignored.
As much as I like Gwen, I think to give the show a fighting chance of getting past Miracle Day, it should have been a soft-reboot with only Jack carrying over and Rex, Vera and Esther being pushed harder as the new leads rather than secondary to Jack and Gwen. Instead the show falls into a trap that RTD has always slagged the TV Movie for - trying too hard to appease an existing audience when you're then hurting your chances to build a whole new one.
That said there's some gorgeous stuff in Miracle Day. Absolutely wonderful in places, and meandering in others. Following CoE meant it was always on a bit of a hiding to nothing already, but much like the first two years of the show it's too inconsistent.
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Post by relativetime on Sept 13, 2016 18:06:44 GMT
Miracle Day had several aspects about it that I liked, but I think there were several decisions toward the last couple of episodes especially that really brought the series down.
Anyways, I will be content if the show does not return to television. Series 1 was a mess, Series 2 was better but still suffered from a lot of the same issues, and Miracle Day, as I said above, falls short. Only the third series blew me away. Torchwood has been far more consistently brilliant on audio and I like how it dedicates time to less developed characters that the show killed off or seriously missed the mark on.
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Post by Ela on Sept 13, 2016 18:24:06 GMT
Fans probably made the assumption that Barrowman meant Moffat. It's kind of scary how quickly some people jump from a comment to assuming they know who's being talked about to sending hate mail to the presumed culprit. It's not just fans believing it though is it? Media outlets are running the story all over the place so they believe that's who Barrowman meant as well. Crucially though - has Barrowman done anything to deny it is Moffat when the fans and media reported it en masse? It's in newspapers and media outlets like Digital Spy so if Mofffat stumbled on the news by chance, I don't think it would escape Barrowman his words are all over the press and he'd be able to say "it's not Moffat" on one of his many social media platforms or by issuing a statement as Moffat has. I can't disagree. Really Barrowman needs to speak more carefully. Or not make statements like the one that started this kerfuffle at all.
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Post by Ela on Sept 13, 2016 18:25:13 GMT
Am I the only one who actually liked Miracle Day? "Travesty". Really now. Get Rex in one of the audios or something. No you are not. Am I the only one who actually liked Miracle Day? "Travesty". Really now. Get Rex in one of the audios or something. Yes, you are. The absolute only one. Not even RTD liked it if the rumours I've heard (i.e the rumour I'm starting now) is to be believed. No he is not the only one who liked it.
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