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Post by david on Nov 3, 2015 4:30:53 GMT
The idea of the Human and Zygon both working for UNIT and accepting the identity of Osgood is from the Twelfth Doctor era, but it would be hard to do much with her post-Day without referencing it. I think this weeks ep helped solve this potential issue. Both of them just say they're Osgood...that it doesn't matter if it's the human or the Zygon. So, yeah, we- can have a mention of Day Of The Doctor's events but anything that happens after that - well, it's just Osgood either way. We don't need to know which one or even that there are two in the audios. It didn't come up in Death In Heaven after all so I don't see why it couldn't continue in that vein. We'd know there are two as viewers but we'd also know that the moral of The Zygon Invasion is that it doesn't matter which, so if it doesn't matter...it doesn't need to be talked about. Or something...I think that makes sense
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 6:58:49 GMT
It doesn't have to have the Twelfth Doctor in it to follow The Zygon Invasion chronologically. True, but it also wouldn't be allowed to directly reference anything that happened in the Zygon Invasion/Inversion. I wonder what they will do about Osgood though. The idea of the Human and Zygon both working for UNIT and accepting the identity of Osgood is from the Twelfth Doctor era, but it would be hard to do much with her post-Day without referencing it. I don't think that's how the licensing works (it normally isn't anyway). The only things not usable from the current TV story would be the twelfth doctor and some of the peripheral characters never seen before. Having reference, for example, to a recent conflict with zygons should be fine.
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Post by OneTen on Nov 3, 2015 8:11:48 GMT
True, but it also wouldn't be allowed to directly reference anything that happened in the Zygon Invasion/Inversion. I wonder what they will do about Osgood though. The idea of the Human and Zygon both working for UNIT and accepting the identity of Osgood is from the Twelfth Doctor era, but it would be hard to do much with her post-Day without referencing it. I don't think that's how the licensing works (it normally isn't anyway). The only things not usable from the current TV story would be the twelfth doctor and some of the peripheral characters never seen before. Having reference, for example, to a recent conflict with zygons should be fine. I think it would need to be possible to plausibly interpret it as another zygon conflict. From the FAQ, the BF licence "includes storylines and characters up to and including Matt Smith's final appearance in The Time of the Doctor" so I can't see how an unambiguous reference to a 12th Doctor story such as this could fall within that. Out of curiosity, does anyone know how far apart UNIT Extinction & the Zygon Invasion were recorded?
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Post by mark687 on Nov 3, 2015 11:37:19 GMT
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Post by OneTen on Nov 3, 2015 14:58:39 GMT
As a Cabin Pressure fan, the voice in my head when I read "Ultimate Code Red!" is Stephanie Cole's. I'm imagining Arthur is about to say something really stupid...
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Post by Shiny on Nov 3, 2015 16:40:51 GMT
{Very minor spoiler from the synopsis}"The series begins on November 9th with the release of UNIT: Extinction – which takes place between Kate's appearances in the Doctor Who TV episodes The Power of Three and The Day of the Doctor." That clears up any doubts about when this story takes place.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 4, 2015 15:01:34 GMT
They don't have the rights to any of the Twelfth Doctor stuff, so probably not. It doesn't have to have the Twelfth Doctor in it to follow The Zygon Invasion chronologically. Except Big Finish's license only covers them up until Time of the Doctor.
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Post by mark687 on Nov 4, 2015 19:20:16 GMT
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Post by jasonward on Nov 4, 2015 19:26:44 GMT
It doesn't have to have the Twelfth Doctor in it to follow The Zygon Invasion chronologically. Except Big Finish's license only covers them up until Time of the Doctor. BF's licence didn't until recently cover any of the new series, but that in of itself didn't stop BF from not contradicting new series stuff, they don't need 12 or a licence for anything 12 to respect the content of 12'ves run.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 4, 2015 20:04:19 GMT
Except Big Finish's license only covers them up until Time of the Doctor. BF's licence didn't until recently cover any of the new series, but that in of itself didn't stop BF from not contradicting new series stuff, they don't need 12 or a licence for anything 12 to respect the content of 12'ves run. They need the license to produce audios post-Time of the Doctor.
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Post by mrfuggleboppins on Nov 4, 2015 20:32:20 GMT
BF's licence didn't until recently cover any of the new series, but that in of itself didn't stop BF from not contradicting new series stuff, they don't need 12 or a licence for anything 12 to respect the content of 12'ves run. They need the license to produce audios post-Time of the Doctor. I think what Jason is saying is making oblique references to Series 8/9 in the same way that Big Finish made stuff referencing the Time War before having the licence for it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2015 21:58:14 GMT
They need the license to produce audios post-Time of the Doctor. I think what Jason is saying is making oblique references to Series 8/9 in the same way that Big Finish made stuff referencing the Time War before having the licence for it. That's what I was thinking. Academic now we know they've gone for the safe option of setting ore DOTD
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Post by mark687 on Nov 5, 2015 11:38:43 GMT
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 5, 2015 15:15:05 GMT
They need the license to produce audios post-Time of the Doctor. I think what Jason is saying is making oblique references to Series 8/9 in the same way that Big Finish made stuff referencing the Time War before having the licence for it. They've only just got the new series license. They're not going to risk doing that and getting the rights taken back off them because they referenced post-Time of the Doctor events.
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Post by icecreamdf on Nov 5, 2015 15:49:58 GMT
I think what Jason is saying is making oblique references to Series 8/9 in the same way that Big Finish made stuff referencing the Time War before having the licence for it. They've only just got the new series license. They're not going to risk doing that and getting the rights taken back off them because they referenced post-Time of the Doctor events. I imagine that the license lasts a few years anyway, and I doubt that anyone who really cares if BF stretches the rules will be listening too closely. I just can't picture some BBC bueracrat listening to BF's UNIT and saying "wait, they mentioned a Zygon Osgood working for UNIT? Well, even though the Zygon Osgood appeared in Day of the Doctor, it wasn't confirmed that she worked for UNIT until The Zygon Invasion. There's no way we're letting BF make more New Series stories now."
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Post by mark687 on Nov 6, 2015 9:48:29 GMT
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 6, 2015 18:51:29 GMT
They've only just got the new series license. They're not going to risk doing that and getting the rights taken back off them because they referenced post-Time of the Doctor events. I imagine that the license lasts a few years anyway, and I doubt that anyone who really cares if BF stretches the rules will be listening too closely. I just can't picture some BBC bueracrat listening to BF's UNIT and saying "wait, they mentioned a Zygon Osgood working for UNIT? Well, even though the Zygon Osgood appeared in Day of the Doctor, it wasn't confirmed that she worked for UNIT until The Zygon Invasion. There's no way we're letting BF make more New Series stories now." Yeah but that wouldn't be setting it after The Zygon Invasion. To me, it seems obvious Zygon Osgood was working with UNIT since Day of the Doctor. We just didn't see the second Osgood (either human or Zygon) again until the latest episode.
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Post by icecreamdf on Nov 6, 2015 18:55:11 GMT
Well, we saw one of them, in Death in Heaven.
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Post by mark687 on Nov 7, 2015 11:13:02 GMT
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Post by mark687 on Nov 7, 2015 21:10:02 GMT
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