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Post by dastari on Aug 2, 2017 17:21:08 GMT
That's nothing compared to the horrific ending of Plague Of Dreams. It wasn't the greatest story anyway but I really didn't need the clumsy attempt to justify more Polly & Ben, First Doctor stories with lines like - we are back to proper continuity and telling us his next story is a good one. And yes it's sad that Hartnell didn't get a heroic ending but it's truthful and faithful to how the series was made in those days. I don't need old stories to be made more 'heroic' I just want new stories to be told well. It seemed very self-indulgent, unnecessary, and rather than enhancing that era to me it felt that like it actually denigrated it. I definitely haven't appreciated the need to establish "arcs" for the box sets. I'd also like to leave out ham-fisted attempts to attach things to future continuity. If a story is good then it doesn't need references to other stories to give it more weight or import, which is what the links in this set feel like they're trying to do. I'd also like for Companion Chronicles to be treated like Companion Chronicles and not Early Adventures. Someone on Gallifreybase mentioned that the Short Trips feel more like Companion Chronicles now than the Companion Chronicles themselves. It's very true. Even in the 2nd Doctor box set, the only one that felt like a CC was "The Story of Extinction". "The Mouthless Dead" was good, but was basically an EA with only 3 actors. Oh, and please don't go back to the first two seasons of CC's and add in all those "he said" and "she saids". That was something that easily could have been fixed in editing. I'd really like a return to form with the CC's. |
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Post by shallacatop on Oct 12, 2017 18:01:21 GMT
Just given this a relisten. I still didn’t quite “get” Fields of Terror, but still enjoyed it immensely for the lovely reading from Maureen and atmosphere. Across the Darkened City is fantastic, Purves and Briggs are on fine form and I love how psychological it all is.
Bonfires of the Vanities is a great tale of suspense and Plague of Dreams clicked with me this time around; both well performed by Anneke and Elliot. I’m not normally a fan of trying to cram gaps into non-existent places, but this one is welcome purely because of those two, providing it isn’t exploited too much. I’d love a Short Trip from Elliot and an Early Adventures from the pair, though!
I liked the overall arc. It’s subtle - perhaps to the point of being irrelevant - in the first three stories, but I loved how the Time War seeps through into the First Doctors timeline without seeming out of place.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Feb 8, 2019 15:17:28 GMT
Just had a relisten. Very good indeed. This was only my 2nd listen and I had one question from my first listen that I was hoping to find the answer to, however I didn't. How does the overall arc manifest itself in the first 2 stories? The final story is all about the arc and it is fairly easy to see where it fits into the 3rd, but how were the events of the first 2 affected by it?
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Post by shallacatop on Feb 8, 2019 15:30:07 GMT
Just had a relisten. Very good indeed. This was only my 2nd listen and I had one question from my first listen that I was hoping to find the answer to, however I didn't. How does the overall arc manifest itself in the first 2 stories? The final story is all about the arc and it is fairly easy to see where it fits into the 3rd, but how were the events of the first 2 affected by it? The brief distortion of the soundtrack in the first two stories are a result of the manipulation to the Doctor’s timeline. |
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Post by mark687 on Feb 8, 2019 15:31:09 GMT
Just had a relisten. Very good indeed. This was only my 2nd listen and I had one question from my first listen that I was hoping to find the answer to, however I didn't. How does the overall arc manifest itself in the first 2 stories? The final story is all about the arc and it is fairly easy to see where it fits into the 3rd, but how were the events of the first 2 affected by it? I think in the first they managed to alter the TARDIS landing site to avoid getting captured by the Daleks
2nd one Had the Dalek survived it would've made the rest of them smarter and more dangerous quicker then the Timelords could handle.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Feb 8, 2019 15:33:43 GMT
Just had a relisten. Very good indeed. This was only my 2nd listen and I had one question from my first listen that I was hoping to find the answer to, however I didn't. How does the overall arc manifest itself in the first 2 stories? The final story is all about the arc and it is fairly easy to see where it fits into the 3rd, but how were the events of the first 2 affected by it? The brief distortion of the soundtrack in the first two stories are a result of the manipulation to the Doctor’s timeline. I'm afraid I didn't notice that at all, but if that's all the arc amounts to then it is rather weak (at least as far as stories 1 and 2 are concerned) |
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Feb 8, 2019 15:37:11 GMT
Just had a relisten. Very good indeed. This was only my 2nd listen and I had one question from my first listen that I was hoping to find the answer to, however I didn't. How does the overall arc manifest itself in the first 2 stories? The final story is all about the arc and it is fairly easy to see where it fits into the 3rd, but how were the events of the first 2 affected by it? I think in the first they managed to alter the TARDIS landing site to avoid getting captured by the Daleks
2nd one Had the Dalek survived it would've made the rest of them smarter and more dangerous quicker then the Timelords could handle.
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I'm afraid I'm really not following you. Maybe its just me being dense, but ...
Re the first, I don't recall any evidence to indicate that was the case. There was no mention/indication of daleks at all, as I recall. What are you basing it on?
Re the second, surely post-credits sting in the tail was that the Dalek did survive and went on to become the emperor?
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Post by mark687 on Feb 8, 2019 16:01:45 GMT
I think in the first they managed to alter the TARDIS landing site to avoid getting captured by the Daleks
2nd one Had the Dalek survived it would've made the rest of them smarter and more dangerous quicker then the Timelords could handle.
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I'm afraid I'm really not following you. Maybe its just me being dense, but ...
Re the first, I don't recall any evidence to indicate that was the case. There was no mention/indication of daleks at all, as I recall. What are you basing it on?
Re the second, surely post-credits sting in the tail was that the Dalek did survive and went on to become the emperor?
Sorry your right my misstate on the 2nd one The Dalek had to survive
as to the 1st one I'm sure there was something about the Virgin Mary Statue maybe that was where the ist trace of virus was found.
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Post by shallacatop on Feb 8, 2019 17:23:41 GMT
The brief distortion of the soundtrack in the first two stories are a result of the manipulation to the Doctor’s timeline. I'm afraid I didn't notice that at all, but if that's all the arc amounts to then it is rather weak (at least as far as stories 1 and 2 are concerned) I suppose it depends on what you’re looking for in an arc. It’s not a heavy arc, certainly. It’s more like Bad Wolf or Mr Saxon rather than Dark Eyes or Missy and the Nethersphere. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2021 18:43:59 GMT
“On the planet Shade, The Chaons, an invading race of strange, amorphous creatures that ravenously absorb energy, have reduced the city there to a desolate ruin. Separated from the Doctor and Vicki, Steven has to join forces with an unexpected ally to find his way back to the TARDIS. Ahead, lies a nightmare journey through the dark - a test of endurance and trust.”
Well i got back from work earlier and wasn’t feeling too hot so i tucked myself up under the duvet with plenty of camomile tea and honey so thought just to take it easy with the iPad i mentioned this story in an recent post and thought it was due a revisit.
Peter Purves is an excellent narrator definitely one of Bfs best and this is an interesting story in that it is Peter making an uneasy alliance with a dysfunctional dalek .The things basically you will contemplate to survive.It is a dalek story that works,It is a dalek story that actually keeps me interested so few actually do this to any great degree they inevitably just become grating voices that end up annoying me.But basically as a two hander Peter and Nick make it actually work and it has interesting tie ins to future if the menace.The daleks have met a worthy foe in the Chaons and although you know betrayal will always be on the cards you get that Steven would ally himself to get back to the Tardis .
It is a dalek story that should be listened too and not overlooked...I hate going in to spoilers as am never sure who will read and i dont like stuff being ruined.but listen,i dont think you will be disappointed.great script Mr Bartlett
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Post by grinch on Nov 5, 2021 18:47:01 GMT
A really solid two hander. I’m not sure how I feel about how it ultimately ties into the overall mythology of the Daleks but that’s only my real gripe with it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2021 18:58:16 GMT
A really solid two hander. I’m not sure how I feel about how it ultimately ties into the overall mythology of the Daleks but that’s only my real gripe with it. {Spoiler}
Isn it that the Dalek eventually becomes the Emperor Dalek and Steven has unwittingly brought this about Mind you you only get that bit if you listen to the scene after the final theme finishes |
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Post by grinch on Nov 5, 2021 19:09:45 GMT
A really solid two hander. I’m not sure how I feel about how it ultimately ties into the overall mythology of the Daleks but that’s only my real gripe with it. {Spoiler}
Isn it that the Dalek eventually becomes the Emperor Dalek and Steven has unwittingly brought this about Mind you you only get that bit if you listen to the scene after the final theme finishes That’s the one. I’ve always been of two mind on that revelation. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2021 19:11:31 GMT
{Spoiler}
Isn it that the Dalek eventually becomes the Emperor Dalek and Steven has unwittingly brought this about Mind you you only get that bit if you listen to the scene after the final theme finishes That’s the one. I’ve always been of two mind on that revelation. Yes well must admit i always imagined Davros being that but.....who is to say we haven’t had different emperors anyways so it does work for me |
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