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Post by fuurei on Sept 8, 2016 14:55:20 GMT
I don't like them being released so close together when we then have to wait until March for more. Well, now that they've announced Torchwood One to be released in January, it seems like the only upcoming months without Torchwood releases (yet! the week of announcements may not be over, as it's only Thursday) are December and February. And who knows, maybe there'll be upcoming announcements for those months as well
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Post by fingersmash on Sept 8, 2016 14:57:34 GMT
I can do without Owen to be honest. He's such a **** in series 1, but having Burn in something would be good. Cheers Tony I will defend Owen to the hilt! Yes he's an a**** but he's got every reason to be an a****, in fact he has, along with Rhys, the best character evolution in the TV EPs .
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Post by mark687 on Sept 8, 2016 15:03:49 GMT
I will defend Owen to the hilt! Yes he's an a**** but he's got every reason to be an a****, in fact he has, along with Rhys, the best character evolution in the TV EPs .
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Figure of speech obviously
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Post by acousticwolf on Sept 8, 2016 15:05:08 GMT
I can do without Owen to be honest. He's such a **** in series 1, but having Burn in something would be good. Cheers Tony I will defend Owen to the hilt! Yes he's an a**** but he's got every reason to be an a****, in fact he has, along with Rhys, the best character evolution in the TV EPs .
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He does get better Cheers Tony
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Post by Ela on Sept 8, 2016 15:36:51 GMT
I was not at all a fan of Owen. And I don't think any excuse justifies the way he behaved in the series. I especially wasn't fond of resurrected (so to speak) Owen. I guess he was "supposed" to be better at that point, but I didn't really see it. Basically a self-interested creep for most of the series.
That said, if he does appear in a series one of these days, I wouldn't complain.
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Post by fingersmash on Sept 8, 2016 15:51:50 GMT
I was not at all a fan of Owen. And I don't think any excuse justifies the way he behaved in the series. I especially wasn't fond of resurrected (so to speak) Owen. I guess he was "supposed" to be better at that point, but I didn't really see it. Basically a self-interested creep for most of the series. That said, if he does appear in a series one of these days, I wouldn't complain. It would take a lot for me to listen to an Owen play. If we got an arc where consequences got thrown at everyone, then I would love to listen to an Owen just because there were no meaningful consequences for him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 18:48:29 GMT
I was not at all a fan of Owen. And I don't think any excuse justifies the way he behaved in the series. I especially wasn't fond of resurrected (so to speak) Owen. I guess he was "supposed" to be better at that point, but I didn't really see it. Basically a self-interested creep for most of the series. That said, if he does appear in a series one of these days, I wouldn't complain. I liked the fact that he wasn't a nice person. He got away with some awful stuff and that's kind of life. It was good to see some of that portrayed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 19:01:51 GMT
I was not at all a fan of Owen. And I don't think any excuse justifies the way he behaved in the series. I especially wasn't fond of resurrected (so to speak) Owen. I guess he was "supposed" to be better at that point, but I didn't really see it. Basically a self-interested creep for most of the series. That said, if he does appear in a series one of these days, I wouldn't complain. I liked the fact that he wasn't a nice person. He got away with some awful stuff and that's kind of life. It was good to see some of that portrayed. That's very well put. Owen was my favourite because he felt the most human because of how he acted. He really felt the most human to me.
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Post by Ela on Sept 8, 2016 19:15:56 GMT
Not to me. Unless being "most human" means to get to act creepy because bad things happen to you. But I don't think that's the case.
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Post by coffeeaddict on Sept 8, 2016 19:31:26 GMT
Wow. They really weren't kidding when they said (in the Kai Owen podcast interview) that this release would include everyone they could get their hands on! Too bad it looks like they still couldn't get Burn/Owen back. I can do without Owen to be honest. He's such a **** in series 1, but having Burn in something would be good. Cheers Tony I'd rather have Owen over Rhys. Lovely actors both, only liked Owen.
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Post by Ela on Sept 8, 2016 20:13:36 GMT
I'd rather have Rhys.
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Post by eldersensorite on Sept 8, 2016 21:02:48 GMT
I haven't been getting the monthly Torchwood releases, but plan to get the box sets and may have to get this too, it sounds pretty great
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 23:40:23 GMT
Not to me. Unless being "most human" means to get to act creepy because bad things happen to you. But I don't think that's the case. I'm with you. One of the first things we see Owen do is date-rape a young woman. If that's being human....well. There's ways of making a character a nasty piece of work without resorting to that cheapness. It's not as if there was anything in his subsequent character that used that perverse aspect of his nature, it was just dropped and never mentioned again. I know Mark said on the last page he'd defend Owen to the hilt and he had his reasons to be an arse...but jeez louise - you have to completely ignore the date-rape stuff to do that and, no, it's indefensible. I know they swiftly toned that more lecherous, wicked side of Owen down and I think the episode where he shoots Jack only to burst into tears at being forgiven was supposed to be something of a rebirth. But the tonal misfire of having him be a rapist at the outset? Hard to get past. I know Chibnall and RTD have both since said they regret lots of Series 1 but that they had such a short time to get it into production or risk losing the commission..still, two writers of that caliber presiding over that characterisation?
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Post by mark687 on Sept 8, 2016 23:52:53 GMT
Not to me. Unless being "most human" means to get to act creepy because bad things happen to you. But I don't think that's the case. I'm with you. One of the first things we see Owen do is date-rape a young woman. If that's being human....well. There's ways of making a character a nasty piece of work without resorting to that cheapness. It's not as if there was anything in his subsequent character that used that perverse aspect of his nature, it was just dropped and never mentioned again. I know Mark said on the last page he'd defend Owen to the hilt and he had his reasons to be an arse...but jeez louise - you have to completely ignore the date-rape stuff to do that and, no, it's indefensible. I know they swiftly toned that more lecherous, wicked side of Owen down and I think the episode where he shoots Jack only to burst into tears at being forgiven was supposed to be something of a rebirth. But the tonal misfire of having him be a rapist at the outset? Hard to get past. I know Chibnall and RTD have both since said they regret lots of Series 1 but that they had such a short time to get it into production or risk losing the commission..still, two writers of that caliber presiding over that characterisation? Hang on I'm in no way condoning rape that scene was in poor taste, but is Gwen's overriding character trait then her cheating with him on Rhys?
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Post by Ela on Sept 9, 2016 0:06:09 GMT
Wow, you're comparing rape with cheating on one's husband?!
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Post by mark687 on Sept 9, 2016 0:11:24 GMT
Wow, you're comparing rape with cheating on one's husband?! Of course not Rape is terrible and heinous!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 0:14:23 GMT
I'm with you. One of the first things we see Owen do is date-rape a young woman. If that's being human....well. There's ways of making a character a nasty piece of work without resorting to that cheapness. It's not as if there was anything in his subsequent character that used that perverse aspect of his nature, it was just dropped and never mentioned again. I know Mark said on the last page he'd defend Owen to the hilt and he had his reasons to be an arse...but jeez louise - you have to completely ignore the date-rape stuff to do that and, no, it's indefensible. I know they swiftly toned that more lecherous, wicked side of Owen down and I think the episode where he shoots Jack only to burst into tears at being forgiven was supposed to be something of a rebirth. But the tonal misfire of having him be a rapist at the outset? Hard to get past. I know Chibnall and RTD have both since said they regret lots of Series 1 but that they had such a short time to get it into production or risk losing the commission..still, two writers of that caliber presiding over that characterisation? Hang on I'm in no way condoning rape that scene was in poor taste, but is Gwen's overriding character trait then her cheating with him on Rhys?
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Mark, in no way do I think you condone, or were even implying that, just that you have to completely ignore that the guy is a rapist to be able to write him off as just being a bit of an arse and, indeed, to defend him at all (much less to the hilt as you said). The show seemed to completely forget that he did it so it's not surprising that a lot of people (genuinely) forget it happened. that the scene is played slightly comedically is still, a decade on, just one of the most baffling decisions I've seen in Who and it's spinoffs. I would say though cheating on your partner is not a crime - rape is. So if you think they're comparable as character traits, I think that's well out. There are fundamentally good, decent people who stray during marriage for many reasons. I don't think there are many good decent rapists. Some things are not just "traits".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 0:14:42 GMT
I want to quickly apologize that my post was not clear. I was trying to refer to season 2 Rebirth Owen, I was in a rush and trying to quickly write a response. I apologize. I also confess that I have only seen Season 2 of Torchwood, so I had know idea that happened. That colours my opinion of Owen a bit I think.
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Post by Ela on Sept 9, 2016 0:22:03 GMT
Thanks for the apology, masterdoctor. I didn't much like rebirth Owen, either, as I said above, but I understand what you are saying.
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Post by mark687 on Sept 9, 2016 0:26:52 GMT
I apologies if anyone is offended by my defending a fictional character. One of he's first activities was a poor taste "humours" sex crime, however the scene and he did remain in the show and IMO he did evolve but clearly it was a terrible and as it turns out long lasting first impression.
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