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Post by icecreamdf on Nov 8, 2016 5:03:14 GMT
I have an irritating question for anyone who might wish to help me. Thing is, I'm not a massive Torchwood fan, but I have bought and loved 'Zone 10', 'Moving Target', 'Made You Look' and especially 'One Rule'. Or in other words, I've really enjoyed the self-contained stories involving the featured characters. Will I like 'The Torchwwod Archive', do we think? Or is it something you need to be well-versed in the history of the show to enjoy, as I suspect? You might want to watch Captain Jack's section of Fragments, because that ties into part of the Torchwood Archive.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 17:27:11 GMT
Many thanks for your replies. Although I'm sure I'd like The Torchwood Archive, it seems a little to much based within the overall 'mythos' for me to justify spending the cash on it at the moment. Especially as I fully intend to get 'Before the Fall' (there's no shortage of TW stuff being released at the moment!) in January, and ESPECIALLY as I've just blown a wad of cash on the upcoming Dark Shadows short stories collections 
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Nov 16, 2016 11:28:04 GMT
tdp review
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Post by kimalysong on Nov 19, 2016 16:34:40 GMT
Many thanks for your replies. Although I'm sure I'd like The Torchwood Archive, it seems a little to much based within the overall 'mythos' for me to justify spending the cash on it at the moment. Especially as I fully intend to get 'Before the Fall' (there's no shortage of TW stuff being released at the moment!) in January, and ESPECIALLY as I've just blown a wad of cash on the upcoming Dark Shadows short stories collections  I think you made the right decision as someone who is in a similar boat to you I found it a bit hard to follow Archive with having seen very little of the TV series. This was a celebration of Torchwood as a whole and I think I probably should have waited a bit before listening to it. Not that there weren't moments I really loved. I thought the ending was especially clever and fun and the one scene that really stood out to me was the scene with Tosh. But overall I felt this was harder for me to follow as a someone fairly new to the Torchwood world. But I think I should have realized that going into this. Maybe I'll give this a relisten when I get to know Torchwood a bit more.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 17:04:41 GMT
Many thanks for your replies. Although I'm sure I'd like The Torchwood Archive, it seems a little to much based within the overall 'mythos' for me to justify spending the cash on it at the moment. Especially as I fully intend to get 'Before the Fall' (there's no shortage of TW stuff being released at the moment!) in January, and ESPECIALLY as I've just blown a wad of cash on the upcoming Dark Shadows short stories collections I think you made the right decision as someone who is in a similar boat to you I found it a bit hard to follow Archive with having seen very little of the TV series. This was a celebration of Torchwood as a whole and I think I probably should have waited a bit before listening to it. Not that there weren't moments I really loved. I thought the ending was especially clever and fun and the one scene that really stood out to me was the scene with Tosh. But overall I felt this was harder for me to follow as a someone fairly new to the Torchwood world. But I think I should have realized that going into this. Maybe I'll give this a relisten when I get to know Torchwood a bit more. That's the great thing about buying these audios - you can go back and revisit them at any time. With Dark Shadows, there are a number of releases I've re-listened to having become more acquainted with the show, and found new ways to enjoy them. Regarding Torchwood, I'm still looking forward to 'Before the Fall' and cherry-picking from the less continuity-laden single-disc releases - the first one with Nerys Hughes sounds suitably intriguing!
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Post by icecreamdf on Nov 19, 2016 17:29:08 GMT
Many thanks for your replies. Although I'm sure I'd like The Torchwood Archive, it seems a little to much based within the overall 'mythos' for me to justify spending the cash on it at the moment. Especially as I fully intend to get 'Before the Fall' (there's no shortage of TW stuff being released at the moment!) in January, and ESPECIALLY as I've just blown a wad of cash on the upcoming Dark Shadows short stories collections I think you made the right decision as someone who is in a similar boat to you I found it a bit hard to follow Archive with having seen very little of the TV series. This was a celebration of Torchwood as a whole and I think I probably should have waited a bit before listening to it. Not that there weren't moments I really loved. I thought the ending was especially clever and fun and the one scene that really stood out to me was the scene with Tosh. But overall I felt this was harder for me to follow as a someone fairly new to the Torchwood world. But I think I should have realized that going into this. Maybe I'll give this a relisten when I get to know Torchwood a bit more. I've seen every episode on TV, and heard all of Big Finish's Torchwood stuff, and I still found it a bit hard to follow.
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Post by barnabaslives on Nov 24, 2016 19:53:20 GMT
Perhaps because I haven't gotten to Outbreak yet, I continue to dwell some on how well I think this all worked together, and how well it works out there's a lot of connectivity as a bonus for those who can catch it and yet it doesn't seem mandatory to enjoying this audio (I think I only caught about half).
Maybe the most remarkable thing was how well Rowena Cooper succeeded at her character putting the story to bed, I think that's a bit of a tougher sell for a non-Torchwood character but she absolutely aced it. If not her best performance for Big Finish (which I think it is), it has to be her most impressive one. Well done, everyone!
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Post by Ela on Jan 15, 2017 19:47:38 GMT
Well, I re-listened to this again, a week or so ago. I'm not really sure how it "wraps" up the Committee arc. Sure, it explains how and why the Committee was formed. But as others have said, it raises as many questions as it answers. Specifically, what the heck are Jeremiah and Norton up to? Lots of nice nods to things from previous Torchwood episodes. And I liked that Andy got to give the "tour" of the Archives. But I really wonder what was up with John Barrowman using his Scottish accent at one point. I don't recall Jack ever speaking "Scottish." 
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Post by Zagreus on Jul 19, 2017 23:40:12 GMT
I notice Mr Colchester stops to talk to Orr at one point early in his report. Neat. Nice little laying of groundwork there
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Post by Zagreus on Jul 20, 2017 20:47:58 GMT
For the hell of it, I went through and made notes of all the references to other stories in this release.
The Unquiet Dead - Jack investigating The Rift in Victorian times Boom Town - the Doctor stops off at the Rift to refuel Bad Wolf - the great cobalt pyramid
Tooth & Claw - Queen Victoria, Torchwood House, et al Impossible Planet / The Satan Pit - ood, the dating system, the torchwood archive Army of Ghosts / Doomsday - fall of Torchwood One segment, Yvonne, et al
Everything Changes - origin of weevils, Archie at Torchwood Two, the disappearance of Torchwood Four Cyberwoman - Ianto looks for Lisa during the events of Doomsday They Keep Killing Suzie - Suzie's muttered comment about Jack's "daddy's girls" quip
Adam - "the enemy" of humanity in the far future, which The Committee had created (and was destroyed by) Dead Man Walking - little alien fortune telling girl Fragments - Alex Hopkins segment, the locket, Archie's comments on the "smirking chits in suits" Exit Wounds - "the enemy" of humanity in the far future, "smirking chits in suits"
Children of Earth - what Alex sees in the locket
Trace Memory - the KVI Golden Age - Torchwood India segment Department X / Ghost Train - shipments of fridge parts through Rhys' company are part of a Committee plot.
Miracle Day - what Alex sees in the locket, Toshiko comes up with the idea while fiddling with the locket (though retcons her memory of it)
The Conspiracy - Gwen checks an informant to after to see what Jack's on about, The Committee et al Forgotten Lives - The Committee have the ability to hop into new bodies, are "cloud based", Torchwood is up and operating again by 2017 One Rule - Yvonne, her dealings with The Committee Uncanny Valley - Miss Trent follows up with Jack afterwards, Ovid factory in 2004 More Than This - Torchwood is up and operating with new members in 2017 The Victorian Age - Queen Victoria recording a speech after the events, Archie references being aged Zone 10 - Tosh drunk at the bar a week or two later, the KVI et al Ghost Mission - Norton's epilogue, Norton in general, Mr Colchester visiting the old folks' home, David Warner's character
Outbreak - Norton's 1953 bit prefigures it somewhat, with The Committee having some drug-related "new product" they want to test out Before The Fall - Yvonne's 2004 segment somewhat prefigures this, her talking about 'The Fall'
Aliens Among Us - Mr Colchester, Orr, Ianto & Jack & Dog (?), what Alex sees in the locket (?)
David Warner says in his seen watching Jack and Ianto and Untitled the Dog that humanity will need to be replaced. Alex sees in the locket, in addition to the 456 and The Miracle, a time when "we're all wiped out and replaced." More forshadowing of the plot of Aliens Among Us?
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Post by mark687 on Jul 20, 2017 20:54:25 GMT
For the hell of it, I went through and made notes of all the references to other stories in this release. The Unquiet Dead - Jack investigating The Rift in Victorian times Boom Town - the Doctor stops off at the Rift to refuel Bad Wolf - the great cobalt pyramid Tooth & Claw - Queen Victoria, Torchwood House, et al Impossible Planet / The Satan Pit - ood, the dating system, the torchwood archive Army of Ghosts / Doomsday - fall of Torchwood One segment, Yvonne, et al Everything Changes - origin of weevils, Archie at Torchwood Two, the disappearance of Torchwood Four Cyberwoman - Ianto looks for Lisa during the events of Doomsday They Keep Killing Suzie - Suzie's muttered comment about Jack's "daddy's girls" quip Adam - "the enemy" of humanity in the far future, which The Committee had created (and was destroyed by) Dead Man Walking - little alien fortune telling girl Fragments - Alex Hopkins segment, the locket, Archie's comments on the "smirking chits in suits" Exit Wounds - "the enemy" of humanity in the far future, "smirking chits in suits" Children of Earth - what Alex sees in the locket Trace Memory - the KVI Golden Age - Torchwood India segment Department X / Ghost Train - shipments of fridge parts through Rhys' company are part of a Committee plot. Miracle Day - what Alex sees in the locket, Toshiko comes up with the idea while fiddling with the locket (though retcons her memory of it) The Conspiracy - Gwen checks an informant to after to see what Jack's on about, The Committee et al Forgotten Lives - The Committee have the ability to hop into new bodies, are "cloud based", Torchwood is up and operating again by 2017 One Rule - Yvonne, her dealings with The Committee Uncanny Valley - Miss Trent follows up with Jack afterwards, Ovid factory in 2004 More Than This - Torchwood is up and operating with new members in 2017 The Victorian Age - Queen Victoria recording a speech after the events, Archie references being aged Zone 10 - Tosh drunk at the bar a week or two later, the KVI et al Ghost Mission - Norton's epilogue, Norton in general, Mr Colchester visiting the old folks' home, David Warner's character Outbreak - Norton's 1953 bit prefigures it somewhat, with The Committee having some drug-related "new product" they want to test out Before The Fall - Yvonne's 2004 segment somewhat prefigures this, her talking about 'The Fall' Aliens Among Us - Mr Colchester, Orr, Ianto & Jack & Dog (?), what Alex sees in the locket (?) David Warner says in his seen watching Jack and Ianto and Untitled the Dog that humanity will need to be replaced. Alex sees in the locket, in addition to the 456 and The Miracle, a time when "we're all wiped out and replaced." More forshadowing of the plot of Aliens Among Us? I'd agree with that Well Done!
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Post by sherlock on Jan 22, 2020 16:26:03 GMT
This release is quite the mountain of information. There are a lot of good scenes and character moments overall, and I’m glad I didn’t come to this expecting any closure on the arc (as I’m aware it’s carried on in stories since) as it leaves a lot of loose ends. Just wanted to check I understood everything right: {Spoiler} 1890s: The Tsar and Victoria create the Committee, from contacts of aliens caught on Earth, to act as a test on Torchwood and the KVI. The Committee go rogue, build up a power base on Erebus and start their own schemes of conquest and profit for their own ends. The Tsar tries to rein them in and they gift him a bad luck device, the Red Key.
1897: The Tsar gives the Red Key to Victoria, who has Archie place it as the first object in the Torchwood Archive.
1900: After years of study, Jack presents Victoria with a theory that the Red Key caused strife in Russia, affecting its infancy mortality rates, crop yields and political dissatisfaction. Victoria worries what effects it may have had on Britain’s empire and decides to have it disposed off, ordering Jack to throw it into the Cardiff Rift. Jack doesn’t, hoping to use the Key for his own gain.
1914: Jack discovers sailors have begun mutating into monsters that locals are calling Weevils. He attributes this to the Red Key and finally chucks it into the Rift as Victoria told him to. He also implies it may have had an influence on the start of World War I.
1924: After Jack shuts it down, Torchwood India sends Jack the Red Key, which is implied to be an act of revenge on the Duchess’ part.
1953: Norton, having recovered the Key with Andy in 2016 (Ghost Mission), gives it to a gangster, Mandrake. The Committee hope this will set Mandrake’s organisation and Torchwood One at odds, giving them an opening into the London black market.
1960s: Losing the alien tech race with rival powers, the KVI turn to the Committee for aid. The Committee takes full advantage and grows it’s influence over the KVI. This presumably culminates in the war that created Zone 10 in 1965 (Zone 10).
1999: The fortune teller gives Alex Hopkins the Red Key, telling him it will prove who he can trust in Torchwood Three and warning him the Committee is coming. Alex gives in to temptation and opens it, giving him visions of the 456, the Miracle and all manner of other terrible things. He kills his team out of mercy, earning himself a place on the Red List.
2004: Torchwood Three discover an Ovid Industries factory making duplicates of the population of a Welsh town. They blow up the factory, discovering the Red Key there. Jack has Suzie pass the Key onto Torchwood One. Yvonne gladly accepts it and sends a warning to Ovid that Torchwood Three is taking an interest in them.
2007: Ianto is given the Red Key by a dying colleague during the fall of Canary Wharf. Yvonne had ordered for it to be thrown into the Void.
2007: A week after the death of George Wilson (The Conspiracy), Gwen visits a conspiracy journalist, Madeline, who has a Committee member occasionally possessing her. The Committee member drives Madeline to over dose before she can give Gwen much information, but becomes trapped in her mind by a tumour and dies with her.
2007: After the death of Neil Redmond and his duplicate (Uncanny Valley) the KVI plot to deal with 5 girlfriends of Russian billionaires, who are actually Ovid dolls encouraging their spouses to buy Redmond’s AI weaponry. About the same time Eve Trent, a senior worker in Ovid, calls Jack to confess her involvement with the Committee after discovering the bunkers they offered their agents a place in were actually abandoned. Another Committee agent kills her.
2007: Weeks after retrieving the Red Key from Zone 10 (Zone 10) Tosh has managed to devise a way to have the Key produce good luck. After 2 days, she decides this power is too great and breaks her modifications and retcons her memories of the Key.
2008-09: The Red Key materialises from the Rift in the Hub in front of Tosh, Ianto, Jack and Gwen.
2009 (probably): A Committee member spies on Jack and Ianto playing with their dog, Untitled. The member reflects that the Committee has decided human civilisation is useless.
2009: Harwoods Haulage takes a series of deliveries of refrigerator parts, unknowingly on the Committee’s behalf.
2017: Mr Colchester decides to investigate the Committee and goes to the old people’s home that Andy previously spoke to them at (Ghost Mission). The Committee speaks to him, but tells him virtually no information.
Future: During the war between mankind and the enemy, Jeremiah Henderson visits the Torchwood Archive to learn how the Red Key works. He learns it actually is a key to a pocket universe where the Committee stored back-ups of themselves. He gives the Archive a fake key primed to destroy it should the computer attempt to open it and then rendezvouses with Norton, setting out to revive the Committee and obtain their money.
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Post by mark687 on Jan 22, 2020 16:42:21 GMT
This release is quite the mountain of information. There are a lot of good scenes and character moments overall, and I’m glad I didn’t come to this expecting any closure on the arc (as I’m aware it’s carried on in stories since) as it leaves a lot of loose ends. Just wanted to check I understood everything right: {Spoiler} 1890s: The Tsar and Victoria create the Committee, from contacts of aliens caught on Earth, to act as a test on Torchwood and the KVI. The Committee go rogue, build up a power base on Erebus and start their own schemes of conquest and profit for their own ends. The Tsar tries to rein them in and they gift him a bad luck device, the Red Key.
1897: The Tsar gives the Red Key to Victoria, who has Archie place it as the first object in the Torchwood Archive.
1900: After years of study, Jack presents Victoria with a theory that the Red Key caused strife in Russia, affecting its infancy mortality rates, crop yields and political dissatisfaction. Victoria worries what effects it may have had on Britain’s empire and decides to have it disposed off, ordering Jack to throw it into the Cardiff Rift. Jack doesn’t, hoping to use the Key for his own gain.
1914: Jack discovers sailors have begun mutating into monsters that locals are calling Weevils. He attributes this to the Red Key and finally chucks it into the Rift as Victoria told him to. He also implies it may have had an influence on the start of World War I.
1924: After Jack shuts it down, Torchwood India sends Jack the Red Key, which is implied to be an act of revenge on the Duchess’ part.
1953: Norton, having recovered the Key with Andy in 2016 (Ghost Mission), gives it to a gangster, Mandrake. The Committee hope this will set Mandrake’s organisation and Torchwood One at odds, giving them an opening into the London black market.
1960s: Losing the alien tech race with rival powers, the KVI turn to the Committee for aid. The Committee takes full advantage and grows it’s influence over the KVI. This presumably culminates in the war that created Zone 10 in 1965 (Zone 10).
1999: The fortune teller gives Alex Hopkins the Red Key, telling him it will prove who he can trust in Torchwood Three and warning him the Committee is coming. Alex gives in to temptation and opens it, giving him visions of the 456, the Miracle and all manner of other terrible things. He kills his team out of mercy, earning himself a place on the Red List.
2004: Torchwood Three discover an Ovid Industries factory making duplicates of the population of a Welsh town. They blow up the factory, discovering the Red Key there. Jack has Suzie pass the Key onto Torchwood One. Yvonne gladly accepts it and sends a warning to Ovid that Torchwood Three is taking an interest in them.
2007: Ianto is given the Red Key by a dying colleague during the fall of Canary Wharf. Yvonne had ordered for it to be thrown into the Void.
2007: A week after the death of George Wilson (The Conspiracy), Gwen visits a conspiracy journalist, Madeline, who has a Committee member occasionally possessing her. The Committee member drives Madeline to over dose before she can give Gwen much information, but becomes trapped in her mind by a tumour and dies with her.
2007: After the death of Neil Redmond and his duplicate (Uncanny Valley) the KVI plot to deal with 5 girlfriends of Russian billionaires, who are actually Ovid dolls encouraging their spouses to buy Redmond’s AI weaponry. About the same time Eve Trent, a senior worker in Ovid, calls Jack to confess her involvement with the Committee after discovering the bunkers they offered their agents a place in were actually abandoned. Another Committee agent kills her.
2007: Weeks after retrieving the Red Key from Zone 10 (Zone 10) Tosh has managed to devise a way to have the Key produce good luck. After 2 days, she decides this power is too great and breaks her modifications and retcons her memories of the Key.
2008-09: The Red Key materialises from the Rift in the Hub in front of Tosh, Ianto, Jack and Gwen.
2009 (probably): A Committee member spies on Jack and Ianto playing with their dog, Untitled. The member reflects that the Committee has decided human civilisation is useless.
2009: Harwoods Haulage takes a series of deliveries of refrigerator parts, unknowingly on the Committee’s behalf.
2017: Mr Colchester decides to investigate the Committee and goes to the old people’s home that Andy previously spoke to them at (Ghost Mission). The Committee speaks to him, but tells him virtually no information.
Future: During the war between mankind and the enemy, Jeremiah Henderson visits the Torchwood Archive to learn how the Red Key works. He learns it actually is a key to a pocket universe where the Committee stored back-ups of themselves. He gives the Archive a fake key primed to destroy it should the computer attempt to open it and then rendezvouses with Norton, setting out to revive the Committee and obtain their money. Well summarised Regards mark687
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Post by Ricky on Jan 22, 2020 21:02:45 GMT
This release is quite the mountain of information. There are a lot of good scenes and character moments overall, and I’m glad I didn’t come to this expecting any closure on the arc (as I’m aware it’s carried on in stories since) as it leaves a lot of loose ends. Just wanted to check I understood everything right: {Spoiler} 1890s: The Tsar and Victoria create the Committee, from contacts of aliens caught on Earth, to act as a test on Torchwood and the KVI. The Committee go rogue, build up a power base on Erebus and start their own schemes of conquest and profit for their own ends. The Tsar tries to rein them in and they gift him a bad luck device, the Red Key.
1897: The Tsar gives the Red Key to Victoria, who has Archie place it as the first object in the Torchwood Archive.
1900: After years of study, Jack presents Victoria with a theory that the Red Key caused strife in Russia, affecting its infancy mortality rates, crop yields and political dissatisfaction. Victoria worries what effects it may have had on Britain’s empire and decides to have it disposed off, ordering Jack to throw it into the Cardiff Rift. Jack doesn’t, hoping to use the Key for his own gain.
1914: Jack discovers sailors have begun mutating into monsters that locals are calling Weevils. He attributes this to the Red Key and finally chucks it into the Rift as Victoria told him to. He also implies it may have had an influence on the start of World War I.
1924: After Jack shuts it down, Torchwood India sends Jack the Red Key, which is implied to be an act of revenge on the Duchess’ part.
1953: Norton, having recovered the Key with Andy in 2016 (Ghost Mission), gives it to a gangster, Mandrake. The Committee hope this will set Mandrake’s organisation and Torchwood One at odds, giving them an opening into the London black market.
1960s: Losing the alien tech race with rival powers, the KVI turn to the Committee for aid. The Committee takes full advantage and grows it’s influence over the KVI. This presumably culminates in the war that created Zone 10 in 1965 (Zone 10).
1999: The fortune teller gives Alex Hopkins the Red Key, telling him it will prove who he can trust in Torchwood Three and warning him the Committee is coming. Alex gives in to temptation and opens it, giving him visions of the 456, the Miracle and all manner of other terrible things. He kills his team out of mercy, earning himself a place on the Red List.
2004: Torchwood Three discover an Ovid Industries factory making duplicates of the population of a Welsh town. They blow up the factory, discovering the Red Key there. Jack has Suzie pass the Key onto Torchwood One. Yvonne gladly accepts it and sends a warning to Ovid that Torchwood Three is taking an interest in them.
2007: Ianto is given the Red Key by a dying colleague during the fall of Canary Wharf. Yvonne had ordered for it to be thrown into the Void.
2007: A week after the death of George Wilson (The Conspiracy), Gwen visits a conspiracy journalist, Madeline, who has a Committee member occasionally possessing her. The Committee member drives Madeline to over dose before she can give Gwen much information, but becomes trapped in her mind by a tumour and dies with her.
2007: After the death of Neil Redmond and his duplicate (Uncanny Valley) the KVI plot to deal with 5 girlfriends of Russian billionaires, who are actually Ovid dolls encouraging their spouses to buy Redmond’s AI weaponry. About the same time Eve Trent, a senior worker in Ovid, calls Jack to confess her involvement with the Committee after discovering the bunkers they offered their agents a place in were actually abandoned. Another Committee agent kills her.
2007: Weeks after retrieving the Red Key from Zone 10 (Zone 10) Tosh has managed to devise a way to have the Key produce good luck. After 2 days, she decides this power is too great and breaks her modifications and retcons her memories of the Key.
2008-09: The Red Key materialises from the Rift in the Hub in front of Tosh, Ianto, Jack and Gwen.
2009 (probably): A Committee member spies on Jack and Ianto playing with their dog, Untitled. The member reflects that the Committee has decided human civilisation is useless.
2009: Harwoods Haulage takes a series of deliveries of refrigerator parts, unknowingly on the Committee’s behalf.
2017: Mr Colchester decides to investigate the Committee and goes to the old people’s home that Andy previously spoke to them at (Ghost Mission). The Committee speaks to him, but tells him virtually no information.
Future: During the war between mankind and the enemy, Jeremiah Henderson visits the Torchwood Archive to learn how the Red Key works. He learns it actually is a key to a pocket universe where the Committee stored back-ups of themselves. He gives the Archive a fake key primed to destroy it should the computer attempt to open it and then rendezvouses with Norton, setting out to revive the Committee and obtain their money. Yep, that's a great summary. The only quibble I have is that I feel the 2007 sections probably happen in 2008. I feel that The Conspiracy, Fall to Earth, Uncanny Valley and Zone 10 fit better early on in series 2, due to Jack's comments about having left the team on their own before, implying the end of End of Days.
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Post by sherlock on Jan 22, 2020 21:16:43 GMT
This release is quite the mountain of information. There are a lot of good scenes and character moments overall, and I’m glad I didn’t come to this expecting any closure on the arc (as I’m aware it’s carried on in stories since) as it leaves a lot of loose ends. Just wanted to check I understood everything right: {Spoiler} 1890s: The Tsar and Victoria create the Committee, from contacts of aliens caught on Earth, to act as a test on Torchwood and the KVI. The Committee go rogue, build up a power base on Erebus and start their own schemes of conquest and profit for their own ends. The Tsar tries to rein them in and they gift him a bad luck device, the Red Key.
1897: The Tsar gives the Red Key to Victoria, who has Archie place it as the first object in the Torchwood Archive.
1900: After years of study, Jack presents Victoria with a theory that the Red Key caused strife in Russia, affecting its infancy mortality rates, crop yields and political dissatisfaction. Victoria worries what effects it may have had on Britain’s empire and decides to have it disposed off, ordering Jack to throw it into the Cardiff Rift. Jack doesn’t, hoping to use the Key for his own gain.
1914: Jack discovers sailors have begun mutating into monsters that locals are calling Weevils. He attributes this to the Red Key and finally chucks it into the Rift as Victoria told him to. He also implies it may have had an influence on the start of World War I.
1924: After Jack shuts it down, Torchwood India sends Jack the Red Key, which is implied to be an act of revenge on the Duchess’ part.
1953: Norton, having recovered the Key with Andy in 2016 (Ghost Mission), gives it to a gangster, Mandrake. The Committee hope this will set Mandrake’s organisation and Torchwood One at odds, giving them an opening into the London black market.
1960s: Losing the alien tech race with rival powers, the KVI turn to the Committee for aid. The Committee takes full advantage and grows it’s influence over the KVI. This presumably culminates in the war that created Zone 10 in 1965 (Zone 10).
1999: The fortune teller gives Alex Hopkins the Red Key, telling him it will prove who he can trust in Torchwood Three and warning him the Committee is coming. Alex gives in to temptation and opens it, giving him visions of the 456, the Miracle and all manner of other terrible things. He kills his team out of mercy, earning himself a place on the Red List.
2004: Torchwood Three discover an Ovid Industries factory making duplicates of the population of a Welsh town. They blow up the factory, discovering the Red Key there. Jack has Suzie pass the Key onto Torchwood One. Yvonne gladly accepts it and sends a warning to Ovid that Torchwood Three is taking an interest in them.
2007: Ianto is given the Red Key by a dying colleague during the fall of Canary Wharf. Yvonne had ordered for it to be thrown into the Void.
2007: A week after the death of George Wilson (The Conspiracy), Gwen visits a conspiracy journalist, Madeline, who has a Committee member occasionally possessing her. The Committee member drives Madeline to over dose before she can give Gwen much information, but becomes trapped in her mind by a tumour and dies with her.
2007: After the death of Neil Redmond and his duplicate (Uncanny Valley) the KVI plot to deal with 5 girlfriends of Russian billionaires, who are actually Ovid dolls encouraging their spouses to buy Redmond’s AI weaponry. About the same time Eve Trent, a senior worker in Ovid, calls Jack to confess her involvement with the Committee after discovering the bunkers they offered their agents a place in were actually abandoned. Another Committee agent kills her.
2007: Weeks after retrieving the Red Key from Zone 10 (Zone 10) Tosh has managed to devise a way to have the Key produce good luck. After 2 days, she decides this power is too great and breaks her modifications and retcons her memories of the Key.
2008-09: The Red Key materialises from the Rift in the Hub in front of Tosh, Ianto, Jack and Gwen.
2009 (probably): A Committee member spies on Jack and Ianto playing with their dog, Untitled. The member reflects that the Committee has decided human civilisation is useless.
2009: Harwoods Haulage takes a series of deliveries of refrigerator parts, unknowingly on the Committee’s behalf.
2017: Mr Colchester decides to investigate the Committee and goes to the old people’s home that Andy previously spoke to them at (Ghost Mission). The Committee speaks to him, but tells him virtually no information.
Future: During the war between mankind and the enemy, Jeremiah Henderson visits the Torchwood Archive to learn how the Red Key works. He learns it actually is a key to a pocket universe where the Committee stored back-ups of themselves. He gives the Archive a fake key primed to destroy it should the computer attempt to open it and then rendezvouses with Norton, setting out to revive the Committee and obtain their money. Yep, that's a great summary. The only quibble I have is that I feel the 2007 sections probably happen in 2008. I feel that The Conspiracy, Fall to Earth, Uncanny Valley and Zone 10 fit better early on in series 2, due to Jack's comments about having left the team on their own before, implying the end of End of Days. I think the KVI segment (which is Post- Uncanny Valley) was explicitly in 2007 though. I could be wrong though.
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Post by Ricky on Jan 23, 2020 11:15:08 GMT
Yep, that's a great summary. The only quibble I have is that I feel the 2007 sections probably happen in 2008. I feel that The Conspiracy, Fall to Earth, Uncanny Valley and Zone 10 fit better early on in series 2, due to Jack's comments about having left the team on their own before, implying the end of End of Days. I think the KVI segment (which is Post- Uncanny Valley) was explicitly in 2007 though. I could be wrong though. Good point! Man, Torchwood dating is almost as bad as UNIT dating. The audios have been particularly bad. More Than This is set in 2016, but it's supposed to be ten years after Day One, which would make it 2017.
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Post by Zagreus on Feb 20, 2020 15:22:16 GMT
So revisiting this for a hot minute, where in Aliens Among Us would you place the Colchester segment?
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Feb 20, 2020 15:37:26 GMT
So revisiting this for a hot minute, where in Aliens Among Us would you place the Colchester segment? It pretty much has to go during Aliens Among Us 2. Colchester speaks to Orr in the hub, so it’s after Superiority Complex when Orr joins the team. It’s also unlikely to go during AAU3 as that only takes place over a few days and the cliffhanger means that this segment can’t really go after it. By the time Orr and Colchester are both back in regular duty at Torchwood in God Among Us, it’s 2018 and this segment is set in 2017. Also they seem to be working “Mrs Cooper” so it’s definitely before Herald of the Dawn. The fact that it’s Gwen who’s in charge rather than Jack suggests that it’s between Love Rat and The Empty where Jack goes AWOL for several weeks to work with Red Doors leaving GweNg in the lurch to run Torchwood.
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Post by Zagreus on Feb 20, 2020 15:42:48 GMT
Excellent deductive work as usual!
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Post by Digi on Feb 20, 2020 15:56:40 GMT
So revisiting this for a hot minute, where in Aliens Among Us would you place the Colchester segment? It pretty much has to go during Aliens Among Us 2. Colchester speaks to Orr in the hub, so it’s after Superiority Complex when Orr joins the team. It’s also unlikely to go during AAU3 as that only takes place over a few days and the cliffhanger means that this segment can’t really go after it. By the time Orr and Colchester are both back in regular duty at Torchwood in God Among Us, it’s 2018 and this segment is set in 2017. Also they seem to be working “Mrs Cooper” so it’s definitely before Herald of the Dawn. The fact that it’s Gwen who’s in charge rather than Jack suggests that it’s between Love Rat and The Empty where Jack goes AWOL for several weeks to work with Red Doors leaving GweNg in the lurch to run Torchwood. Damn, dude! Amazing,
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