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Post by MayoTango131 on Sept 13, 2016 16:11:58 GMT
I just saw The Doctor's Meditation, first live-action pure historical since Black Orchid, and after seeing it I've been wondering: Would not it have been wonderful to have at least one episode in that format for every series/season? Maybe Big Finish makes reality my wish and, I guess, the wishes of many others as well.
Big Finish has created wonderful historicals for Doctors whose eras were full of science fiction, especially the Peri/Erimem stories and the debut of Evelyn Smythe, before is was impossible for me to imagine the Fourth Doctor in an historical but The Wrath of the Iceni showed me otherwise.
Do the New Series Doctors can have historicals audio-adventures like the Hartnell classics?
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Post by Feroniya27 on Sept 14, 2016 2:10:56 GMT
I just finished relistening to Evelyn's first story, so I just mentioned this in the "What are you listening to today?" thread! I absolutely agree. While I enjoy the psuedo-historicals, history itself is so full of dangers that there's plenty of drama to be used in a regular historical story too. I'd love to start seeing the TV series doing the occasional pure historical story again.
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Post by icecreamdf on Sept 14, 2016 3:44:43 GMT
I'd prefer they stick with scifi. Some of the old historicals aren't bad, but I wouldn't consider any of the historicals to be really great episodes.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Sept 14, 2016 12:15:33 GMT
I doubt there would be much demand for new series historicals. The only past event I could perhaps picture being a pure historical is the gunpowder plot.
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Post by muckypup on Sept 14, 2016 12:38:28 GMT
I think it could and should happen, I think it would work well, the Vincent van Gogh ep was almost there and that was a great episode.
you just need to not be to obvious with it.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Sept 15, 2016 9:26:25 GMT
Fires of Pompeii missed a great chance, but no... had to have monsters and cute as a button Karen Gillan. Unicorn and the Wasp missed another great chance, but no .. Had to have monsters and Felicity Kendell having had sex with a wasp.
I'd love for one of the next Tennant stories to be a proper Historical, but it's a historical moment he's not familiar with - something that normally his pet human would fill him in on, but it's Donna so they're both in the dark.
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Post by foefromthefuture on Sept 19, 2016 18:46:05 GMT
I'd prefer they stick with scifi. Some of the old historicals aren't bad, but I wouldn't consider any of the historicals to be really great episodes. Are you kidding me? "Marco Polo" – despite being only available on audio – is absolutely sublime. "The Aztecs" and "The Crusade" are two of my all-time favorite early serials. Not to mention "The Massacre", "The Highlanders" and "The Reign of Terror". Big Finish has totally shown us that Pure Historicals can still be done right in modern Doctor Who. In fact, the absolute best main range story I've heard in the past couple of years has got to be "The Peterloo Massacre". if you need more convincing, check out "The Marian conspiracy", "The Angel of Scutari" and the absolutely brilliant "The Settling". Some of the early Peri/Erinem historicals are also totally worth hearing.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Sept 19, 2016 21:50:32 GMT
Ten and Donna meeting Cardinal Richilieu (with or without him sounding like Capaldi) would be interesting, Donna being Donna expecting him to be a villain and sounding like Tim Curry etc.
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Post by icecreamdf on Sept 19, 2016 22:05:56 GMT
I'd prefer they stick with scifi. Some of the old historicals aren't bad, but I wouldn't consider any of the historicals to be really great episodes. Are you kidding me? "Marco Polo" – despite being only available on audio – is absolutely sublime. "The Aztecs" and "The Crusade" are two of my all-time favorite early serials. Not to mention "The Massacre", "The Highlanders" and "The Reign of Terror". Big Finish has totally shown us that Pure Historicals can still be done right in modern Doctor Who. In fact, the absolute best main range story I've heard in the past couple of years has got to be "The Peterloo Massacre". if you need more convincing, check out "The Marian conspiracy", "The Angel of Scutari" and the absolutely brilliant "The Settling". Some of the early Peri/Erinem historicals are also totally worth hearing. The Aztecs and Reign of Terror are all right. I found the other TV episodes you listed to be kind of boring, but that might just be because we only have the audio. The Marian Conspiracy was good, but that wasn't exactly a pure historical. It had all the scifi stuff with Evelyn dissapearing.
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Post by Ela on Sept 20, 2016 3:26:09 GMT
Boring? They were in no way boring.
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Post by icecreamdf on Sept 20, 2016 4:11:04 GMT
Boring? They were in no way boring. I found them boring, but I think that may be partially because the stories don't really lend themselves to being audio only. I'm guessing that I also would have found the Aztecs and the Romans boring if they were lost. I did like the Mythmakers though. If any of these stories are found and/or animated, I will be happy to rejudge them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2016 4:26:35 GMT
I'd definitely like to see a historical tale for NuWho, there's a great deal of potential to have a Ten/Donna story that rivals The Aztecs, The Crusade or Marco Polo for an ingenious peek into the troubled past. In fact, I can see them poised against one another on opposing sides of history a la The Council of Nicaea.
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Post by omega on Sept 20, 2016 8:19:33 GMT
Boring? They were in no way boring. I found them boring, but I think that may be partially because the stories don't really lend themselves to being audio only. I'm guessing that I also would have found the Aztecs and the Romans boring if they were lost. I did like the Mythmakers though. If any of these stories are found and/or animated, I will be happy to rejudge them. The Flames of Cadiz is downright scary. Doctor Who and the Pirates is essentially a pure historical (the Doctor and Evelyn's presence in the pirate story is the only anachronistic thing about it), but is exciting and heartbreaking at the same time.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Sept 20, 2016 10:32:38 GMT
Ten and Donna meeting Cardinal Richilieu (with or without him sounding like Capaldi) would be interesting, Donna being Donna expecting him to be a villain and sounding like Tim Curry etc. I actually wrote something for Inferno Fiction ages ago where Doctors 8,9,10 and 11 take on the 12th Doctor as Cardinal Richelieu.
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Post by Tony Jones on Sept 20, 2016 12:00:59 GMT
I'd prefer they stick with scifi. Some of the old historicals aren't bad, but I wouldn't consider any of the historicals to be really great episodes. Are you kidding me? "Marco Polo" – despite being only available on audio – is absolutely sublime. "The Aztecs" and "The Crusade" are two of my all-time favorite early serials. Not to mention "The Massacre", "The Highlanders" and "The Reign of Terror". Big Finish has totally shown us that Pure Historicals can still be done right in modern Doctor Who. In fact, the absolute best main range story I've heard in the past couple of years has got to be "The Peterloo Massacre". if you need more convincing, check out "The Marian conspiracy", "The Angel of Scutari" and the absolutely brilliant "The Settling". Some of the early Peri/Erinem historicals are also totally worth hearing. Well said - welcome to the forum foefromthefuture
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Post by coffeeaddict on Sept 20, 2016 13:41:06 GMT
I'd love for more historical stories to be done. I'd also like to see a story set in Canada... Hum, a historical story set in Canada..
For the record, I love history, almost took it as my major in university. I also read a fair bit of history and historical fiction, so I guess in this debate I am a little biased. Perhaps I'm not the random sampling you are looking for.
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Post by kimalysong on Sept 20, 2016 13:51:14 GMT
Yes please more pure historicals with no monsters please. I hate historicals when the alien was responsible. Maybe my least favorite type of story. Although I do love Vincent & the Doctor. The alien there was metaphorical for Vincent's depression and I thought that was really well done.
But often the alien feels hamstrung into these type of stories.
Heck even if they don't want to pure historicals alternative histories like Colditz would also be amazing.
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Post by Ela on Sept 20, 2016 14:10:08 GMT
Boring? They were in no way boring. I found them boring, but I think that may be partially because the stories don't really lend themselves to being audio only. I'm guessing that I also would have found the Aztecs and the Romans boring if they were lost. I did like the Mythmakers though. If any of these stories are found and/or animated, I will be happy to rejudge them. To be fair, I heard them together with the Loose Cannon reconstructions. I enjoyed all the stories and didn't feel I was missing out for lack of the original filmed action content.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2016 17:04:10 GMT
Completely depends on how the historical is written... I love some historicals (The Romans, The Gunfighters), but I'm not really keen on others (The Settling, The Aztecs (Sorry)). It'd be interesting to have a pure historical set during a war or something. Or have a pure historical set in a time more recent.
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Post by barnabaslives on Sept 20, 2016 23:24:14 GMT
I adore The Aztecs. Absolutely charming story, but when Barbara starts getting idealistic there's this air about her that all of the sudden I feel like I'm watching some blockbuster classic vintage motion picture. Just amazing. Yes please more pure historicals with no monsters please. I hate historicals when the alien was responsible. Maybe my least favorite type of story. The occasional one is good for a surprise, but I'd agree that a pure historical is sufficient in its own right. I may not be very keen on historicals where The Doctor is responsible either - enough trips in the TARDIS and I suppose he'll be end responsible for the Tower of Pisa leaning, the Great Chicago Fire, and tea itself if that's how it goes.
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