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Post by sherlock on Feb 8, 2020 15:32:55 GMT
Out of interest, does anyone know if a specific year is given in Believe? TARDIS wiki claims that it takes place in 2009, but they’ve got an issue with completely making things up. If it does indeed take place in 2009, then is this the first story set prior to Exit Wounds to be given an explicit 2009 placement without us having to do mental gymnastics to work out the year? I don’t recall any specific year being given. All we get placement wise is Gwen referencing the Nostrovites from Something Borrowed (which I think the powers that be on the wiki have placed in 2009, for reasons only known to them).
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Feb 8, 2020 16:12:59 GMT
Out of interest, does anyone know if a specific year is given in Believe? TARDIS wiki claims that it takes place in 2009, but they’ve got an issue with completely making things up. If it does indeed take place in 2009, then is this the first story set prior to Exit Wounds to be given an explicit 2009 placement without us having to do mental gymnastics to work out the year? I don’t recall any specific year being given. All we get placement wise is Gwen referencing the Nostrovites from Something Borrowed (which I think the powers that be on the wiki have placed in 2009, for reasons only known to them). Most of that 2009 stuff on the wiki has been corrected to “2000s” now, which is easy enough for TV stories, but there’s a load of short stories and some audios that still say 2009 and obviously you don’t know which ones actually took place in 2009 and which ones the wiki just decided took place in 2009.
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Post by sherlock on Feb 18, 2020 12:05:04 GMT
DissectedNot long before Children of Earth. There’s just the three Torchwood operatives and it seems the events of Reset and Journey’s End were quite a while ago. EDIT-It’s been pointed out elsewhere on the forum that Martha is on her honeymoon in Children of Earth so there must be a gap long enough for her to marry Mickey after this story, as here she’s broken up with Tom and it’s implied she’s close with Mickey but certainly not engaged yet. Must have been something of a whirlwind romance. Gwen also implies that Jack is holding open the medical officer position for Martha and- {Spoiler} as Martha decides to disappear and go freelance here, presumably he decides to finally consider filling the position, which is what he tries to do on Day 1 of Children of Earth.
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Post by Zagreus on Feb 19, 2020 21:41:27 GMT
Is Dead Man's Switch not in the timeline or am I blind?
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Feb 19, 2020 21:45:35 GMT
Is Dead Man's Switch not in the timeline or am I blind? It’s not but it goes during Aliens Among Us 2, just before A Kill To A View. Basically because there’s a reference to a song from 2017 so it’s a “modern” story and Bilis says he’s going to see some old friends at the end, so it presumably leads into his appearance in Aliens Among Us.
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Post by Zagreus on Feb 19, 2020 21:55:37 GMT
Ah, cheers!
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Feb 19, 2020 22:03:40 GMT
Why do you place “Night of the Fendahl” before “Children of Earth”? Anwyn’s old enough to “want to talk to mummy” when Rhys rings the possessed Gwen,and Gwen’s working for Torchwood again, so obviously after MD. Doesn’t she refer to working WITH Yvonne Hartman?
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Feb 19, 2020 22:09:12 GMT
Why do you place “Night of the Fendahl” before “Children of Earth”? Anwyn’s old enough to “want to talk to mummy” when Rhys rings the possessed Gwen,and Gwen’s working for Torchwood again, so obviously after MD. Doesn’t she refer to working WITH Yvonne Hartman? I don’t think she refers to working with Yvonne, she just knows who she is. It’s definitely post Forgotten Lives though. The only Torchwood MR with Gwen set before that is Dissected.
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Post by Ricky on Feb 20, 2020 9:40:09 GMT
I think that Deadbeat Escape and Dead Man's Switch might work between AAU and GAU, with the Committee potentially having trapped Bilis in the Traveler's Halt as a punishment for his actions in A Kill to a View?
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Mar 8, 2020 1:51:10 GMT
I think that Deadbeat Escape and Dead Man's Switch might work between AAU and GAU, with the Committee potentially having trapped Bilis in the Traveler's Halt as a punishment for his actions in A Kill to a View? I thought Dead Man's Switch led into A Kill To A View with Bilis saying he was going to pay some old friends a visit?
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Post by Ricky on Mar 25, 2020 13:34:55 GMT
So, a little thing in R&J from the latest Captain Jack set . {Spoiler} It reinforces the idea that What Have I Done? from the second set is supposed to be just after Children of Earth.
It just doesn't sit right with me, as the Doctor disables his Vortex Manipulator at the end of Journey's End.
I suppose he could have gotten it working, or a new one in the interim, but, I'm not sure.
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Post by Tim Bradley on Mar 25, 2020 18:16:07 GMT
So, a little thing in R&J from the latest Captain Jack set . {Spoiler} It reinforces the idea that What Have I Done? from the second set is supposed to be just after Children of Earth.
It just doesn't sit right with me, as the Doctor disables his Vortex Manipulator at the end of Journey's End.
I suppose he could have gotten it working, or a new one in the interim, but, I'm not sure. Thanks for this. Anyone who can provide details on where the other stories in the box set could go, please let me know.
Tim.
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Post by Ricky on Mar 25, 2020 18:36:18 GMT
So, a little thing in R&J from the latest Captain Jack set . {Spoiler} It reinforces the idea that What Have I Done? from the second set is supposed to be just after Children of Earth.
It just doesn't sit right with me, as the Doctor disables his Vortex Manipulator at the end of Journey's End.
I suppose he could have gotten it working, or a new one in the interim, but, I'm not sure. Thanks for this. Anyone who can provide details on where the other stories in the box set could go, please let me know.
Tim. Oh it's not as cut and dry as that... But as for the other stories: {Spoiler} Crush is set after Wednesdays for Beginners, which I would place sometime in 2006, during series 1 of Doctor Who. Mighty and Despair is set in the far future for Jack, when he is living in exile and has grey hair. As for R&J, I'll copy and paste the Jack and River timelines posted by SarahJaneFan on Gallifrey Base. Jack: You can’t really place this as it takes place throughout the lives of River and Jack, much like Broken. The earliest scene is with Jack as a child sometime after the Adam flashback. The latest is the funeral of the Face of Boe. Also it confirms that What Have I Done? from the previous set goes shortly after Ianto's death as per authorial intent. Childhood (1 scene) Time Agency (2 scenes) Con Man (1 scene before The Empty Child but while he’s already in 1940s London) Companion (2 scenes, one of which is set during Boom Town) Year That Never Was (1 scene, right before Last of the Time Lords) Mourning Ianto (1 scene set immediately after What Have I Done?) Funeral (River visits the funeral of the Face of Boe and regular Jack follows her there, but never discovers who’s funeral it is.) Also Ashildr makes a mute cameo at the end of time. As does the Twelfth Doctor during the Night on Darillium. And the Ninth Doctor makes a not so mute cameo. River: This one is set throughout River’s timeline, from New York 1969 all the way through to Darillium. - Jack meets a homeless Melody Pond in New York 1969. I think it’s before the regeneration. - River attempts to assassinate the Ninth Doctor while acting like she did in Let’s Kill Hitler. Is it just me or does this make no sense? Because the only time River is actively trying to kill the Doctor is in Let’s Kill Hitler and there’s not exactly a gap for her to slip out and try to assassinate the Ninth Doctor while she’s poisoned Eleven. And then after that she has to be physically forced into the astronaut suit to assassinate him so I’m not sure where this is supposed to go. There is a mention of her looking younger and she says the body she has isn’t her own, so I’m not sure if it’s meant to be an incarnation earlier than Alex Kingston just in disguise who happens to sound like Alex Kingston. Idk. - River attends her first lecture at the Luna university, but her lecturer Bernice Summerfield has been replaced by a quirky Scotsman called Hark Jackness. - Jack tries to rescue River from the transport shuttle that’s taking her to Stormcage. - River confides in Jack that her husband has left her to go fight a war. I’m guessing she means the Battle of Demons, and she views it as the Doctor leaving her because he’s finally going find out who she is, and in her mind that means her days with him are numbered. - Jack and River visit Darillium together. They happen to find another River there who’s at the end of her 24 years with the Doctor, who’s just popped out to stop an alien invasion. - River attends the funeral of The Face of Boe, having wished to speak to him but arriving too late. I take it this is meant to set after Darillium with River going to say a final goodbye to Jack. Also Jack turns up and it’s pretty clear that it’s post Darillium for him and they seem to meet in order after a certain point. There’s of course many other scenes, but these are the ones with the clearest placements and I’ll have to go back and record the other meetings. Luckily as I already mentioned, they go in chronological order after a certain point.
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Post by Tim Bradley on Mar 26, 2020 8:27:13 GMT
Thanks for this. Anyone who can provide details on where the other stories in the box set could go, please let me know.
Tim. Oh it's not as cut and dry as that... But as for the other stories: {Spoiler} Crush is set after Wednesdays for Beginners, which I would place sometime in 2006, during series 1 of Doctor Who. Mighty and Despair is set in the far future for Jack, when he is living in exile and has grey hair. As for R&J, I'll copy and paste the Jack and River timelines posted by SarahJaneFan on Gallifrey Base. Jack: You can’t really place this as it takes place throughout the lives of River and Jack, much like Broken. The earliest scene is with Jack as a child sometime after the Adam flashback. The latest is the funeral of the Face of Boe. Also it confirms that What Have I Done? from the previous set goes shortly after Ianto's death as per authorial intent. Childhood (1 scene) Time Agency (2 scenes) Con Man (1 scene before The Empty Child but while he’s already in 1940s London) Companion (2 scenes, one of which is set during Boom Town) Year That Never Was (1 scene, right before Last of the Time Lords) Mourning Ianto (1 scene set immediately after What Have I Done?) Funeral (River visits the funeral of the Face of Boe and regular Jack follows her there, but never discovers who’s funeral it is.) Also Ashildr makes a mute cameo at the end of time. As does the Twelfth Doctor during the Night on Darillium. And the Ninth Doctor makes a not so mute cameo. River: This one is set throughout River’s timeline, from New York 1969 all the way through to Darillium. - Jack meets a homeless Melody Pond in New York 1969. I think it’s before the regeneration. - River attempts to assassinate the Ninth Doctor while acting like she did in Let’s Kill Hitler. Is it just me or does this make no sense? Because the only time River is actively trying to kill the Doctor is in Let’s Kill Hitler and there’s not exactly a gap for her to slip out and try to assassinate the Ninth Doctor while she’s poisoned Eleven. And then after that she has to be physically forced into the astronaut suit to assassinate him so I’m not sure where this is supposed to go. There is a mention of her looking younger and she says the body she has isn’t her own, so I’m not sure if it’s meant to be an incarnation earlier than Alex Kingston just in disguise who happens to sound like Alex Kingston. Idk. - River attends her first lecture at the Luna university, but her lecturer Bernice Summerfield has been replaced by a quirky Scotsman called Hark Jackness. - Jack tries to rescue River from the transport shuttle that’s taking her to Stormcage. - River confides in Jack that her husband has left her to go fight a war. I’m guessing she means the Battle of Demons, and she views it as the Doctor leaving her because he’s finally going find out who she is, and in her mind that means her days with him are numbered. - Jack and River visit Darillium together. They happen to find another River there who’s at the end of her 24 years with the Doctor, who’s just popped out to stop an alien invasion. - River attends the funeral of The Face of Boe, having wished to speak to him but arriving too late. I take it this is meant to set after Darillium with River going to say a final goodbye to Jack. Also Jack turns up and it’s pretty clear that it’s post Darillium for him and they seem to meet in order after a certain point. There’s of course many other scenes, but these are the ones with the clearest placements and I’ll have to go back and record the other meetings. Luckily as I already mentioned, they go in chronological order after a certain point. Thanks for this! I've done with my best with adding the suggestions made, especially with 'R&J' for Captain Jack and River's timelines as well as the Ninth and Twelfth Doctor's.
If there are any suggestions (and I'm sure there are) to improve where I've put scenes in certain parts of the timelines, please let me know.
Tim.
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Post by ollychops on Apr 15, 2020 18:18:07 GMT
Anyone have any suggestions as to where Tropical Beach Sounds could be placed? The only major clue was that Jack/Ianto seem to be a thing in it, but that’s about it...
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Apr 15, 2020 18:32:01 GMT
Anyone have any suggestions as to where Tropical Beach Sounds could be placed? The only major clue was that Jack/Ianto seem to be a thing in it, but that’s about it... I don’t think there’s any hints. I remember there being a reference to Exit Wounds in the trailer but I can’t remember it being in the actual story. That would’ve been a bit meta though considering it is definitely set before Exit Wounds. I’ve just got it at the end of the Committee arc tbh. Don’t really know where else to put it and I like the idea that the Committee were behind The Voice somehow. Wasn’t there a reference to Owen abusing prescription pills or something? Maybe I misinterpreted it, but if so it would mean it’s before Reset. So tentatively anywhere between Broken and Reset?
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Post by Digi on Apr 15, 2020 18:39:18 GMT
I thought the pill thing was just that Jack wanted to take some but The Voice wouldn't let him, and Owen was the pill dispenser because he's the Hub's physician?
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Post by Ricky on Apr 16, 2020 7:44:58 GMT
I've just stuck it in late series 1 for now, just because of the image on the cover. I don't remember anything in the story indicating any specific placement.
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Post by Ricky on May 20, 2020 9:25:01 GMT
So Iceberg is set roughly 18 months after Owen was recruited by Captain Jack, which places it in October 2007, so I think I'll place it after Countrycide for now.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on May 21, 2020 21:40:50 GMT
So Iceberg is set roughly 18 months after Owen was recruited by Captain Jack, which places it in October 2007, so I think I'll place it after Countrycide for now. I’m almost tempted to say that it goes Pre-Gwen or at least very early in Series 1, plus it’s probably closer to September 2007 than October. But then Series 1 is quite a short timeframe and we don’t really have a concrete idea of when it begins so that’s not helpful. Certainly though, Iceberg is set during Series 1.
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