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Post by tuigirl on Jan 14, 2021 22:16:53 GMT
I am a devoted Trekkie and Starfleet always was military to me. They have lieutenants and admirals, people wear uniforms and stand to attention, carry weapons on away missions, the ships carry torpedoes and there are massive space battles. If that is not military, I do not know. I am with you, I never bought into the "not military" arguement. Yes, exactly. They might have a broader scientific and diplomatic remit than what we might think of in a modern military, but that's just a manifestation of the Federation ideals. Besides, outside of the MACOs on Enterprise, we never hear of an alternative group that would be Federation military instead. Most Trekkies are a pretty pacifistic sort in my experience, so I can kind of understand why it might be appealing to distance Starfleet from warfare, but the weight of on-screen evidence just doesn't support it. Riker's comment is pretty bizarre even in context. I get the feeling that after the Borg and the Dominion War, he would have changed his opinion. Well, as usual, I am different, since I am a Trekkie who also has been into Warhammer for decades and played a dozen different armies... I think I always saw through the thinly veiled deception... Riker is clearly talking BS. Although TNG is a bit more peaceful than TOS overall, and seems to value diplomacy a bit more, at least on the surface. But come DS9 and Voyager....
Just look at the Delta Flyer. Harmless little shuttle, right? Armed to the teeth with phasers, torpedoes and even mines.
And Janeway is not even pretending anymore in season 7: "You can either keep scanning us and escort us out of your space, or I destroy your ship. Your choice."
Even the emergency medical holograms are more than able to put up a fight and completely incapacitate boarders or the crew on multiple occasions. Pretty impressive for walking/ talking first aid kits of a peaceful society of explorers.
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Post by polly on Jan 14, 2021 22:55:40 GMT
Well, as usual, I am different, since I am a Trekkie who also has been into Warhammer for decades and played a dozen different armies... I think I always saw through the thinly veiled deception... Riker is clearly talking BS. Although TNG is a bit more peaceful than TOS overall, and seems to value diplomacy a bit more, at least on the surface. But come DS9 and Voyager....
Just look at the Delta Flyer. Harmless little shuttle, right? Armed to the teeth with phasers, torpedoes and even mines.
And Janeway is not even pretending anymore in season 7: "You can either keep scanning us and escort us out of your space, or I destroy your ship. Your choice."
Even the emergency medical holograms are more than able to put up a fight and completely incapacitate boarders or the crew on multiple occasions. Pretty impressive for walking/ talking first aid kits of a peaceful society of explorers.
Well, I'm the weird one out, too, since the close Star Trek gets to a proper Navy - like DS9 or the TOS films - the happier I am. There is a certain section of fandom that gets their dander up about that, citing "Gene's vision" but if you look at TOS itself, examples like yours are perfectly in-line. It's about holding to your values even in difficult situations, using violence as a last resort. But early on in TNG it sort of over-corrected and got this idea that there shouldn't be major conflict at all on the Federation's part. But I suppose the only thing Trekkies like more that Star Trek is arguing about Star Trek. Quantum Leap: "Honeymoon Express" - Season 2 starts off with a lot more action and mortal peril than usual. We also get our first glimpse of Al's side of things, trying to keep Project QL from being shut down back in the present. Or future. Whatever it's supposed to be. Anyway, it's good because it fleshes out more of the mythos. Star Trek TNG: "Evolution" - Evolution indeed. Season 3 brought many changes, but Michael Piller's sensibility is what was missing all along. The show has at last found its footing as an intelligent, character-driven ensemble show. They even made Wesley behave like a real human for once!
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Post by project37 on Jan 15, 2021 11:24:08 GMT
Oh my goodness.
WandaVision episodes 1 and 2.
That was nothing short of amazing.
After 23 movies in the film series, I was admittedly burned out. But this was SUCH a bold and exciting new direction. I was grinning the entire time. I grew up in the 80s, so I watched plenty of old 1950s and 1960s shows like Bewitched in syndication and adored how this series incorporated that era's visual and sound design aesthetic. And Kathryn Hahn was a PERFECT choice to capture that "wacky neighbor" character type.
I was captivated throughout these two episodes and can't wait for more. Kudos to everyone involved!
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jan 15, 2021 12:04:17 GMT
Upstart Crow Season 2 Episodes 3-6 & 2017 Christmas Special
Moonbase 8 Episodes 1&2
Ray Donovan Season 6 Episodes 10-12
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Post by grinch on Jan 15, 2021 12:26:47 GMT
WandaVision
Episodes 1-2
Only two episodes have been released and I’m already impressed. Really love the aesthetic of this and I’m intrigued to find out where the story is going.
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Post by masterdoctor on Jan 15, 2021 14:36:23 GMT
WandaVision Episode 1
I love it so much, and any fan of TV history and form should love it too. Can't wait to dig into the next ep tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2021 16:44:16 GMT
Wandavision like many others. Really solid. My mum even watched it with me as she said it looked really good and she hasn’t seen any of the marvel films. She isn’t even confused yet somehow! Wonder how long that’ll last hahah but yes i guess my point is that you should watch it even if you aren’t totally up on your marvel just get a friend to explain the important parts and your good to go.
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Post by The Brigadier on Jan 15, 2021 17:40:14 GMT
It's been mentioned a few times already..
Wandavision Eps 1 and 2
With more than a faithful nod to I Love Lucy in ep.1 and Betwitched in ep.2 (I'm old enough to remember the reruns of these classics in the very early days of Channel 4 in the UK - looking forward to seeing how they shoehorn Mr Ed in there..🤪), a smorgasbord of Easter Eggs, small clues dangling maddeningly out of reach to suggest that all is not quite right in Wanda's world and a cast that's clearly enjoying themselves...I'm definitely in for the long run.
Might not have a clue what's going on mind you...😊
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jan 15, 2021 19:47:06 GMT
Wandavision episodes 1 & 2. It was quite good, not amazing. I think it really needs to up the ante with the weirdness to really hold my interest over the remaining 7 episodes as replicating the tropes of a different era of US sitcom for the next few weeks isn't really enough for me - I get it already. In fact I might wait until all the episodes have been released & binge it.
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Post by grinch on Jan 15, 2021 20:29:43 GMT
The Mandalorian
Series 2, Chapters 9-10
Thought I’d give the second series a start considering I enjoyed the first series tremendously. Good to see the quality hasn’t dropped.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Jan 15, 2021 23:03:22 GMT
Besides WandaVision.. Staged S02E04.. I love how there is sly references regarding Who. As it was strongly rumoured that Michael Sheen was offered the role of the Doctor.. and they keep joking about how David keeps breeding lil mini me's HAHAHA These 2,I believe, are probably in the running for busiest actors in UK(?) top 5 ??
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2021 0:05:55 GMT
Well, as usual, I am different, since I am a Trekkie who also has been into Warhammer for decades and played a dozen different armies... I think I always saw through the thinly veiled deception... Riker is clearly talking BS. Although TNG is a bit more peaceful than TOS overall, and seems to value diplomacy a bit more, at least on the surface. But come DS9 and Voyager....
Just look at the Delta Flyer. Harmless little shuttle, right? Armed to the teeth with phasers, torpedoes and even mines.
And Janeway is not even pretending anymore in season 7: "You can either keep scanning us and escort us out of your space, or I destroy your ship. Your choice."
Even the emergency medical holograms are more than able to put up a fight and completely incapacitate boarders or the crew on multiple occasions. Pretty impressive for walking/ talking first aid kits of a peaceful society of explorers.
Well, I'm the weird one out, too, since the close Star Trek gets to a proper Navy - like DS9 or the TOS films - the happier I am. There is a certain section of fandom that gets their dander up about that, citing "Gene's vision" but if you look at TOS itself, examples like yours are perfectly in-line. It's about holding to your values even in difficult situations, using violence as a last resort. But early on in TNG it sort of over-corrected and got this idea that there shouldn't be major conflict at all on the Federation's part.But I suppose the only thing Trekkies like more that Star Trek is arguing about Star Trek. Quantum Leap: "Honeymoon Express" - Season 2 starts off with a lot more action and mortal peril than usual. We also get our first glimpse of Al's side of things, trying to keep Project QL from being shut down back in the present. Or future. Whatever it's supposed to be. Anyway, it's good because it fleshes out more of the mythos. Star Trek TNG: "Evolution" - Evolution indeed. Season 3 brought many changes, but Michael Piller's sensibility is what was missing all along. The show has at last found its footing as an intelligent, character-driven ensemble show. They even made Wesley behave like a real human for once! Yeah, I mean, that was the thing with the Prime Directive. It was originally developed as something to kick against, rather than as a piece of unswerving dogma. Part of those old Wagon Train Western influences of how to stay compassionate in a universe that couldn't give a damn about what the characters wanted. Something that Season 3 of TNG is going to tackle extremely well in places. With everything that happens since TNG's second season and its follow-ups, I've gotten in the habit of reinterpreting those early statements as: "We're not conquerers, the Federation is not an empire." That feels like a more believable worldview from Riker and Enterprise crew at that period in time.
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Post by timegirl on Jan 16, 2021 3:48:16 GMT
Wandavision Episodes one and two Loved it! I have not seen too many things in the MCU but this was intriguing! Growing up I watched a lot of reruns of classic sitcoms, like Dick Van Dyke Show and Bewitched and was amazed at the level of detail this went into! Everything from the stock characters to fake commercials is on point! I love the eerie twilight zoneesque creepy moments as well! It sort of reminds me a bit of Pleasantville and the creepy moments through nostalgia remind me a bit of Life on Mars/Ashes to Ashes.
Side note: Is anyone else slightly attracted to Paul Bettany as Vision?
Side note: This is the sort of thing I would like for 12 and Clara as well, perhaps as part of their afterlife in the matrix on Galifrey🤔😊
Side note: I thought my dad might actually like Wandavision since he loves all those classic sitcoms but he said it was too clever and not funny, and he’s tired of things being clever and not funny. I see his point but I don’t really need everything to be funny in order to be interesting and worthwhile.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2021 3:56:08 GMT
Wandavision Episodes one and two Loved it! I have not seen too many things in the MCU but this was intriguing! Growing up I watched a lot of reruns of classic sitcoms, like Dick Van Dyke Show and Bewitched and was amazed at the level of detail this went into! Everything from the stock characters to fake commercials is on point! I love the eerie twilight zoneesque creepy moments as well! It sort of reminds me a bit of Pleasantville and the creepy moments through nostalgia remind me a bit of Life on Mars/Ashes to Ashes. Side note: Is anyone else slightly attracted to Paul Bettany as Vision? Side note: This is the sort of thing I would like for 12 and Clara as well, perhaps as part of their afterlife in the matrix on Galifrey🤔😊 Side note: I thought my dad might actually like Wandavision since he loves all those classic sitcoms but he said it was too clever and not funny, and he’s tired of things being clever and not funny. I see his point but I don’t really need everything to be funny in order to be interesting and worthwhile. tbh i was actually surprised at how funny it was like especially the main sequence in episode 2 had some proper belly laughs (which considering the mcu humour is usually chuckle worthy at best, this felt like a refreshing change) I feel a lesser show would have just imitated and lampooned the style but this show is actually crafting genuine episodes that work as sitcom episodes and interweaving it into the serious narrative thats playing out behind the scenes. Really excited for the future episodes, wish i could binge it right now. And as a side note - yes i do like wowza! 😅
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Post by polly on Jan 16, 2021 6:19:35 GMT
Yeah, I mean, that was the thing with the Prime Directive. It was originally developed as something to kick against, rather than as a piece of unswerving dogma. Part of those old Wagon Train Western influences of how to stay compassionate in a universe that couldn't give a damn about what the characters wanted. Something that Season 3 of TNG is going to tackle extremely well in places. With everything that happens since TNG's second season and its follow-ups, I've gotten in the habit of reinterpreting those early statements as: "We're not conquerers, the Federation is not an empire." That feels like a more believable worldview from Riker and Enterprise crew at that period in time. That's not a bad reinterpretation of Riker's comments, or similar ones made by Picard and others in "Pen Pals." I think if we put the pieces together from on-screen evidence, we can make sense of it. After Star Trek VI, there was a long period of relative peace. The Klingons were allies, the Romulans spent a century minding their own business. The Federation became complacent, it began to believe its own PR, and that was reflected in the officers, like Riker, who came up never knowing serious conflict. Those who had seen real action, such as O'Brien's time in the Cardassian border conflicts, don't voice that kind of talk. The Borg changed that starting in "Q Who" and certainly by Wolf 359. A necessary attitude adjustment, because I cannot see that lackadaisical version of the Federation being successful against the Dominion. They found that frontier spirit again, though at a hefty cost. Quantum Leap: "Disco Inferno" - Despite the title, not a lot of disco. Mostly stunt men and a hefty dollop of country music. Go figure. Poor Sam remembers a sad truth about his older brother... Blackadder: "Captain Cook" - I'll take my rat sauteed, thank you Baldrick. Series 4 is the best, but as always, I have to start preparing myself to be depressed by the end. Star Trek TNG: "The Ensigns of Command" - Basically the Data equivalent to Spock's character development in "The Galileo Seven."
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jan 16, 2021 12:02:17 GMT
Tin Star Season 3 Episodes 1&2
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Jan 16, 2021 23:43:37 GMT
McGyver S05E05 - this was 1 of the 4-6 that were filmed for last season but weren't shown. A sad episode because something permanent happens. A loose end was 101% tied up.
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Post by mark687 on Jan 16, 2021 23:55:08 GMT
McGyver S05E05 - this was 1 of the 4-6 that were filmed for last season but weren't shown. A sad episode because something permanent happens. A loose end was 101% tied up. I've heard about it good to hear its a satisfactory resolution then? At the moment Uk screen wise NCIS LA is 2 weeks in and Gibbs NCIS starts this coming week, McGyver is still TBA Regards mark687
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2021 0:02:59 GMT
Got a chance to watch some choice of my own tonight after everyone's bedtime (as is the norm) :
Nightingales episodes 1 & 2 - slightly surreal offering from 1990 with Robert Lindsay, David Threlfall & James Ellis. They employ a student on the security night shift to replace a recently deceased team member - who is actually still mouldering at his desk in the office, with liberal use of air freshener, so that they can claim his wages. Only the new starter is a lycanthrope and not best suited to working nights on a full moon...
Enemy at the Door: Post Mortem - mid series 2. An excellent drama in Nazi occupied Guernsey. Very intelligent portrayal of serving German Officers and Soldiers who do not see themselves as the enemy (and are not, save for Simon Cadell's SS Officer), but are working to keep a civil administration in order to prevent the excesses of the SS, as seen in Holland and France, as they are keen to emphasise themselves.
Now watching Flash Gordon Conquers the Universe (Buster Crabbe). Dug this out, unwatched for about 17 years as a mint box set. By heck, the DVD cases were made of far tougher material back then. Anyhow, its the clear basis of the 1980 movie and one of the Saturday morning cliff-hanger greats that influenced the serial format of classic Doctor Who....
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Jan 17, 2021 0:11:50 GMT
McGyver S05E05 - this was 1 of the 4-6 that were filmed for last season but weren't shown. A sad episode because something permanent happens. A loose end was 101% tied up. I've heard about it good to hear its a satisfactory resolution then? At the moment Uk screen wise NCIS LA is 2 weeks in and Gibbs NCIS starts this coming week, McGyver is still TBA Regards mark687 I would say yes.. For the purposes of the storyline.
Ahh yes- NCIS and NCIS LA had to stop filming a few weeks ago as it got too dangerous..
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