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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Mar 11, 2017 3:16:29 GMT
Loved the ending to The Side Of The Angels. Felt like we were heading towards a regen and just to get a small appearance from Jacks was a treat. Really starting to see the eras tie together now, something I imagine The Time War boxset will do more of. Rufus Hound really is fun as The Monk. Undeniably the same Timelord but nowhere near as suave as the Graeme Garden incarnation or as haughty as the Butterworth one. Hound's incarnation really is a snivelling little man. Would love to see him and Drax team up sometime. Which Drax though? and could the story be the Monk and his various incarnations trying to out con-out meddle the Draxes? and it MUST be called "Drax running Amonk"
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Post by barnabaslives on Mar 11, 2017 4:07:11 GMT
I should definitely listen to Doom Coalition 4 again, or better yet the whole series. While DC4 is excellent, somehow it felt a little low-key to me after DC3, but that could well have quite a bit to do with my being somewhat under the weather at the time it came out. Maybe I will better appreciate the dynamics if the series is taken as a whole? (If not then DC3 will probably be the high point of the series in my opinion).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 8:37:49 GMT
Just finished 'A Ship in a Bottle' and am sorry to say I found it a bit of a chore. A situation that could have been resolved in five minutes stretched out to a full episode, featuring the Doctor being uncharacteristically snarky with his companions just so they could have a conversation about how unpredictable he can be. I suppose with something as huge as 'Doom Coalition', there is room for breathing space, and I welcome that - but I'm afraid I found it rather dull. Then again, I found 'Scherzo' very dull all those years ago for much the same reasons, and that has met with high acclaim, much as 'A Ship in a Bottle' has. There's also a very good chance I may listen to this again and find it thoroughly rewarding. Such a thing has happened before. But for now, I found it bloated, only momentarily engaging, and I was crying out for some other characters to provide some additional incident. Ah well, you can't like everything! What I'm about to say isn't an argument that your opinion is wrong, because that would be quite silly. But consider. If they got out right away, wouldn't that make the cliffhanger look stupid and useless? They were sent into the void resulting from a success (later undone). They were as lost as you can get without being in the supposed un-place of the "void" between universes (not that the concept makes a speck of sense, there being no dimensions outside of that which has dimensions by definition). I'd probably have been quite annoyed if it was a quick escape. I rather liked it. I did not anticipate the solution in the least. Even though it relied on the kind of sci-fantasy/sci-fi that Who always straddles, it worked for me. Only the most absurd could solve the problem. _________________ As for the bolded, that's exactly what happened to me with "Absent Friends". For whatever reason, I didn't actually think much of it when I first listened to it. Then I listened again (in a better mood?) and truly loved it. Firstly, I don't take your words as any kind of argument at all. I realise I am in the minority not particularly enjoying this, and posting my opinions would undoubtedly go against the views of others - after all, I usually love BF's stuff and am not slow in saying so. But cheers for your words, I appreciate that . I agree that to provide a quick escape would undo the effectiveness of the cliffhanger. And as I say, with something as huge as Doom Coalition, there is room to step back and reflect. However, I just felt the inner conflict The Doctor and his companions sometimes share is more effective when contrasting with other things going on, rather than spend a whole episode on it. To a large extent - to me - Liv and Helen were just telling each other what they, and we, already know about The Doctor, and rather than providing much of great interest, their conversation just felt like a long exercise in treading water rather than fuelling any kind of drama. Particularly as, and I realise this is true of any Doctor Who story, we know they're going to escape their predicament anyway - especially in episode 1 of a 4 episode story. Having now heard 'Songs of Love', I'm finding it rather more involving, but I still don't think this series is firing on all cylinders. Perhaps I'm just not in the right mood!
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Post by kimalysong on Mar 13, 2017 10:41:42 GMT
Well in the extras it confirms we will see The Eleven again. That's some welcome news.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 17:54:44 GMT
Well in the extras it confirms we will see The Eleven again. That's some welcome news. It certainly is. I'm happy to say that I found the last two episodes of Doom Coalition 4 much more to my tastes than the first two. With the big guns revealed and making their presence felt, it was great to hear The Eleven again. He really is a terrific villain. In fact, he reminds me of the lead character in the recent film 'Split', although to be honest, The Eleven is far more impressive and frightening. Two crashingly good cliffhangers for episodes 3 and 4, too. Although the big epic multi-set adventures seem to be about to be rested for a while, I'm really looking forward to more Eighth Doctor stories. Helen's occasional musings that she feels somewhat superfluous are interesting, as those musings echo a few comments I've seen on these boards, and I feel the same way. She's a good character, and very well played, but a little too much like the mighty Liv Chenka to be entirely unique. I'll be interested to hear what BF have in store for her.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 18:34:11 GMT
Just finished this. Wow, just wow.
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Post by kurumais on Mar 16, 2017 18:21:32 GMT
i know i'm late to the picnic so here is my 2 cents of a rant
i think matt finton should be ashamed of himself for the side of the angels. he lifted 2 scenes/bits from the 11th doctors the time of angels / flesh and stone.
remember where jorah mormont gets head locked by an angel and calmly tell the doctor to leave him sacrificing his life see doom coalition 4 the side of the angels track 12 near the end
and the angels call the doctor with the mayoral aide's voice after killing her jut like in same tv show episodes the time of angels/flesh and stone
i was really shocked when heard those parts.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 19:12:41 GMT
and the angels call the doctor with the mayoral aide's voice after killing her jut like in same tv show episodes the time of angels/flesh and stone i was really shocked when heard those parts. Why on Earth should Matt Fitton be ashamed of himself for using something that has already been established in the show?
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Post by kurumais on Mar 16, 2017 19:34:21 GMT
and the angels call the doctor with the mayoral aide's voice after killing her jut like in same tv show episodes the time of angels/flesh and stone i was really shocked when heard those parts. Why on Earth should Matt Fitton be ashamed of himself for using something that has already been established in the show? he did just use say angel behavior he lifted 2 exacts scenes from the television series he just stole he didnt write them in a new and interesting way he wrote them exactly like tv episode. its lazy writing thats why he should be ashamed.
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Post by christmastrenzalore on Mar 16, 2017 19:40:42 GMT
Surly "ashamed" is a bit of an over dramatic word for what is, at worst, a couple of uninspired throw-backs to a previous story. It's not like the whole story was derivative, or hinged on those scenes in particular.
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Post by mark687 on Mar 16, 2017 19:51:12 GMT
i know i'm late to the picnic so here is my 2 cents of a rant i think matt finton should be ashamed of himself for the side of the angels. he lifted 2 scenes/bits from the 11th doctors the time of angels / flesh and stone. remember where jorah mormont gets head locked by an angel and calmly tell the doctor to leave him sacrificing his life see doom coalition 4 the side of the angels track 12 near the end and the angels call the doctor with the mayoral aide's voice after killing her jut like in same tv show episodes the time of angels/flesh and stone i was really shocked when heard those parts. Follow that logic and there never have been a Dalek sequel in the Classic Series.
(it scarcely bears thinking about)
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Post by kurumais on Mar 17, 2017 5:27:24 GMT
i know i'm late to the picnic so here is my 2 cents of a rant i think matt finton should be ashamed of himself for the side of the angels. he lifted 2 scenes/bits from the 11th doctors the time of angels / flesh and stone. remember where jorah mormont gets head locked by an angel and calmly tell the doctor to leave him sacrificing his life see doom coalition 4 the side of the angels track 12 near the end and the angels call the doctor with the mayoral aide's voice after killing her jut like in same tv show episodes the time of angels/flesh and stone i was really shocked when heard those parts. Follow that logic and there never have been a Dalek sequel in the Classic Series.
(it scarcely bears thinking about)
Regards
mark687
mark he did not just use angels. he used specific scenes, he copied and pasted i was really surprised when i heared the scene with the deputy mayor being trapped and unable to get out of the angels grasp just like in flesh and stone www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEvLkd8cySE sure he tweaked it a bit but its the same scene then he followed it up with a phone call from the angels www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS4DIiRk1X4 thats not using similar themes or maintaining characterization, its plagiarizing i am really surprised the director and producer went along with it.
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Post by mrperson on Mar 17, 2017 16:45:26 GMT
Eh? The ability to speak through a corpse is not a unique "scene", it's what I called it - an ability.
As for angels being fast, and as a result, sometimes having locked their grip around someone/thing at the moment it is observed is also generally more of the result of an ability, not a unique scene.
Blink: they lock around the TARDIS and get frozen in place when it dematerializes, since they're looking at each other.
Angels/Flesh: You covered that. Also, The Doctor nearly gets caught himself in the same way.
Angels take NYC: frozen in place with hand around River's wrist.
You might as well complain that Ice Warriors have an overriding sense of militaristic honor, that Daleks kill innocent people until The Doctor cooperates, that Cybermen try to convert people and this involves screaming, that the Master wants to take over, that Homer Simpson does dumb things and says 'doh', etc etc etc.
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Post by chapwithwings on Mar 17, 2017 21:31:32 GMT
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Post by kimalysong on Mar 18, 2017 0:03:32 GMT
I don't see how Matt Fitton using established abilities of the Angels is in any way shape or form plagarizing.
I could be mistaken but I thought all Big Finish Doctor Who scripts had to be approved by the BBC anyways.
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Post by The Matt on Mar 18, 2017 12:06:30 GMT
I feel a bit let down by DC4 to be honest. There didn't seem to be any real energy or threat behind it. The McGannister and Nicola Walker were exceptional as always and the Monk was a treat otherwise it was all a bit tepid for me.
With th respect to the performer, Helen doesn't really need to be there apart from the last minute and Robert Bathurst was terrible, no energy or commitment.
Its a a shame as I really enjoyed 1-3 and usually love all Dorneys stuff but, for me, this was a big misfire
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Post by elkawho on Mar 18, 2017 15:11:43 GMT
I feel a bit let down by DC4 to be honest. There didn't seem to be any real energy or threat behind it. The McGannister and Nicola Walker were exceptional as always and the Monk was a treat otherwise it was all a bit tepid for me. With th respect to the performer, Helen doesn't really need to be there apart from the last minute and Robert Bathurst was terrible, no energy or commitment. Its a a shame as I really enjoyed 1-3 and usually love all Dorneys stuff but, for me, this was a big misfire No threat? {Spoiler} Padrack wanting to destroy the universe to save Gallifrey wasn't a threat? Or did you just not believe that he wanted to really do it?
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Post by The Matt on Mar 18, 2017 21:38:45 GMT
I think because of Bathursts performance there didn't seem to be any real threat. Yeah he was going to do that but he could just as easily been talking about which bus to catch home. He just seemed to be reading his lines without believing in them
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Post by kimalysong on Mar 18, 2017 21:45:30 GMT
I think because of Bathursts performance there didn't seem to be any real threat. Yeah he was going to do that but he could just as easily been talking about which bus to catch home. He just seemed to be reading his lines without believing in them I personally liked his whole gentlemanly almost detached manner to the whole thing. He was saving Gallifrey, nothing else mattered.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 14:57:09 GMT
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I personally liked his whole gentlemanly almost detached manner to the whole thing. He was saving Gallifrey, nothing else mattered. [/quote]
Agreed. His matter-of-factness and competency actually made him more impressive to me as a villain! I think his cold and calm demeanour was also a nice contrast with the more psychotic villainy of Eleven and Sonomancer.
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