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Post by seeley on Dec 10, 2016 23:58:33 GMT
I was under the impression that some of the early eighth Doctor novels had been either rejected by Virgin or commissioned and then fallen by the wayside, with John Peel's two Dalek novels falling into the latter category. War of the Daleks was indeed rejected by Virgin. In fact, its name and basic details were known on rec.arts.drwho for ages before Virgin lost the license.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2016 2:17:59 GMT
The two Saward Dalek stories are an interesting spot in terms of novelisations. Any official efforts have not been completed, like the original novelisation of Resurrection for AudioGo and there's only the unofficial ones. Was the Paul Leonard one Speed of Flight? That came out just before The Plotters. The two novelisations by Jon Preddle and Paul Scoones released on the Doctor Who New Zealand Fan Club's website certainly manage to give Saward's Attack of the Cybermen adaptation a run for its money. There are some lovely little additions that clear up points in Revelation of the Daleks and you can tell it was done with love of the stories in question. I was reading the acknowledgements and it sounds as though it was written in a hurry... There's a wonderful dedication to the (then) recently departed Jon Pertwee on the next page.
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Post by omega on Dec 11, 2016 2:27:59 GMT
The two Saward Dalek stories are an interesting spot in terms of novelisations. Any official efforts have not been completed, like the original novelisation of Resurrection for AudioGo and there's only the unofficial ones. Was the Paul Leonard one Speed of Flight? That came out just before The Plotters. The two novelisations by Jon Preddle and Paul Scoones released on the Doctor Who New Zealand Fan Club's website certainly manage to give Saward's Attack of the Cybermen adaptation a run for its money. There are some lovely little additions that clear up points in Revelation of the Daleks and you can tell it was done with love of the stories in question. I was reading the acknowledgements and it sounds as though it was written in a hurry... There's a wonderful dedication to the (then) recently departed Jon Pertwee on the next page. I know Paul Scoones. I've got a signed DVD of Vengeance of Varos, which he did the production subtitles for.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2016 5:40:35 GMT
The two novelisations by Jon Preddle and Paul Scoones released on the Doctor Who New Zealand Fan Club's website certainly manage to give Saward's Attack of the Cybermen adaptation a run for its money. There are some lovely little additions that clear up points in Revelation of the Daleks and you can tell it was done with love of the stories in question. I was reading the acknowledgements and it sounds as though it was written in a hurry... There's a wonderful dedication to the (then) recently departed Jon Pertwee on the next page. I know Paul Scoones. I've got a signed DVD of Vengeance of Varos, which he did the production subtitles for. Really? Huh, I never caught that before. Good to see that he's made the jump to a professional release.
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Post by omega on Dec 11, 2016 5:49:03 GMT
I know Paul Scoones. I've got a signed DVD of Vengeance of Varos, which he did the production subtitles for. Really? Huh, I never caught that before. Good to see that he's made the jump to a professional release. He also wrote the Comic Strip Companion. Currently he's working on the follow-up. If I head up to Retrospace next weekend I can ask him how progress is going on that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2016 6:45:39 GMT
Really? Huh, I never caught that before. Good to see that he's made the jump to a professional release. He also wrote the Comic Strip Companion. Currently he's working on the follow-up. If I head up to Retrospace next weekend I can ask him how progress is going on that. Sounds good! I had no idea that existed, it'll be nice to have a paper equivalent to the catalogue on Altered Vistas.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2016 20:13:50 GMT
Really? Huh, I never caught that before. Good to see that he's made the jump to a professional release. He also wrote the Comic Strip Companion. Everybody should own a copy!
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Post by SG. on Dec 11, 2016 22:37:44 GMT
That's an interesting question actually. The Nation estate had softened or better stories were pitched? There was a period around 2004 where the Nation estate resented the BBC's perceived freewheeling use of the pepper-pots, including, hilariously, a cameo in a Loony Tunes film. As a result, they initially refused RTD the use of them in the New Series, resulting in a draft of Dalek cheekily titled "Absence of the Daleks," in which the lone Dalek was replaced by a Tocolafane. According to Shearman, the Doctor would recognize it as part of the species that destroyed his people, and desperately try to get it to reveal what that species was. It would refuse him this knowledge, eventually taunting the Doctor as it died. Then, come the season finale, the Tocolafane would reappear and the Doctor would learn that they were in fact Humanity. On a side note, Davies wanted the Tocolafane to be silent, but Shearman, used to the audio-medium, was uncomfortable without an aural-dimension to work with. He thus gave it a childish-voice, an aspect that made it into the Series 3 finale. Anyhow, my impression is that the Nation estate finally wised up to the fact that the BBC was their breadbasket, and assented to the Daleks' use in the New series. Is it just me, or does this seem like a really cool idea?
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Post by seeley on Dec 12, 2016 1:11:49 GMT
There was a period around 2004 where the Nation estate resented the BBC's perceived freewheeling use of the pepper-pots, including, hilariously, a cameo in a Loony Tunes film. As a result, they initially refused RTD the use of them in the New Series, resulting in a draft of Dalek cheekily titled "Absence of the Daleks," in which the lone Dalek was replaced by a Tocolafane. According to Shearman, the Doctor would recognize it as part of the species that destroyed his people, and desperately try to get it to reveal what that species was. It would refuse him this knowledge, eventually taunting the Doctor as it died. Then, come the season finale, the Tocolafane would reappear and the Doctor would learn that they were in fact Humanity. On a side note, Davies wanted the Tocolafane to be silent, but Shearman, used to the audio-medium, was uncomfortable without an aural-dimension to work with. He thus gave it a childish-voice, an aspect that made it into the Series 3 finale. Anyhow, my impression is that the Nation estate finally wised up to the fact that the BBC was their breadbasket, and assented to the Daleks' use in the New series. Is it just me, or does this seem like a really cool idea? It is a really cool idea, and while I'm glad we got the Daleks back (in spectacular style, no less,) it's a crying shame we didn't get humanity as the Enemy. It would have been really interesting to see the Tenth Doctor cope with knowing that his beloved Earth, the one he saved every Saturday at Teatime, was the downfall of Gallifrey. A similar thing may have nearly happened in the Eighth Doctor Novels, but then Lawrence Miles stormed off in a huff and so instead we got a technobably explanation that was nothing of the sort.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 5:34:49 GMT
Is it just me, or does this seem like a really cool idea? It is a really cool idea, and while I'm glad we got the Daleks back (in spectacular style, no less,) it's a crying shame we didn't get humanity as the Enemy. It would have been really interesting to see the Tenth Doctor cope with knowing that his beloved Earth, the one he saved every Saturday at Teatime, was the downfall of Gallifrey. A similar thing may have nearly happened in the Eighth Doctor Novels, but then Lawrence Miles stormed off in a huff and so instead we got a technobably explanation that was nothing of the sort. The EU was certainly prepped for it with the novels' implication that humanity would be the ones to eventually usurp the role held by Time Lords. It's just a bit of fanon, but I like to think this has begun to happen by the time of the Merlin incarnation. Hence his wanderings in the sorcerous continuum containing the Neutron Knights and his appearance as a High Evolutionary in the Matrix during the events of The Tides of Time. Things have finally started changing for the better and he can turn his attention elsewhere to places he never even considered were worthy of exploration, realms outside of our conventional N-Space. Oddly enough, in the New Series things seem to have returned to the status quo. Gallifrey is intact and the Last Great Time War seems to have been ultimately concluded as a mythological arc, so what comes next? Now we've more or less quashed the past, what of the show's future direction? I'd enjoy seeing them try to prop up another mythos. Not another temporal conflict, but a large cosmic event with consequences that can dominate the next couple of years. An environmental catastrophe or something. Imagine if in 1980 the show had decided to follow the direct consequences of that spread of entropy from Logopolis. Actually... We have Gallifrey now, so why not do something truly momentous with its return?
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Dec 12, 2016 11:38:04 GMT
I was under the impression that some of the early eighth Doctor novels had been either rejected by Virgin or commissioned and then fallen by the wayside, with John Peel's two Dalek novels falling into the latter category. War of the Daleks was indeed rejected by Virgin. In fact, its name and basic details were known on rec.arts.drwho for ages before Virgin lost the license. Would the VNA version have been 7 and Ace or 7 and Bernice?
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Post by newt5996 on Dec 12, 2016 21:34:54 GMT
War of the Daleks was indeed rejected by Virgin. In fact, its name and basic details were known on rec.arts.drwho for ages before Virgin lost the license. Would the VNA version have been 7 and Ace or 7 and Bernice? I'd guess 7 and Ace I it was in the position for Timewyrm: Genesys. I know Peel was insistent that he wrote the first original Doctor Who novel and didn't like 7 or Ace so why he would pitch the story to Cartmel for television or even Virgin in novel form, I will never know.
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Post by omega on Dec 13, 2016 4:23:14 GMT
Would the VNA version have been 7 and Ace or 7 and Bernice? I'd guess 7 and Ace I it was in the position for Timewyrm: Genesys. I know Peel was insistent that he wrote the first original Doctor Who novel and didn't like 7 or Ace so why he would pitch the story to Cartmel for television or even Virgin in novel form, I will never know. Also, as the video review on Pop Arena points out, he wrote a book about the Epic of Gilgamesh where the character of Gilgamesh ends up being totally irrelevant.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 7:30:06 GMT
Sorry, I just had a thought when you guys mentioned Bernice... We've kind of got a Dalek story for the New Adventures already, it's called Emperor of the Daleks and it was DWM comic with Benny and Absalom Daak written by Paul Cornell.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Dec 13, 2016 11:49:46 GMT
Would the VNA version have been 7 and Ace or 7 and Bernice? I'd guess 7 and Ace I it was in the position for Timewyrm: Genesys. I know Peel was insistent that he wrote the first original Doctor Who novel and didn't like 7 or Ace so why he would pitch the story to Cartmel for television or even Virgin in novel form, I will never know. Oh right, didnt know it would have been that early in the run lol
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