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Post by mark687 on Oct 16, 2015 9:15:33 GMT
I talked to Ian about using Divergent Universe, he passed me up to Nick. I emailed Nick but have had no response. I suspect they won't give a 'yes' as it might be construed as an endorsement. Are we being a touch too deferential to BF in this?
Surely all we have to do is:
Make sure their ok with us posting Links to their News and Promo materials and discussing their products on here.
Anything else is our choice.
Regards
mark687
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Post by cr1980 on Oct 16, 2015 9:21:10 GMT
It seems to me that the forum staff have given Big Finish every opportunity to veto a forum name. If they don't like something they can say so, if they're not sure yet they should state that and I'd expect the forum to await a decision before committing to anything. In the absence of an answer I think the forum should assume Big Finish doesn't care and just do what it likes. If it becomes an issue later on then we whine and moan and change the name.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Oct 16, 2015 10:16:50 GMT
I think... We just don't want to be seen as annoying to them
Also an unofficial big finish forum would be totally allowed as it's even got Unofficial in its name
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Post by kfbate on Oct 16, 2015 10:42:36 GMT
Question to everyone here, am I over thinking about this too much, Divergence is universally accepted as being "a difficult era of the whole canon of Dr Who" Yes or No. Now if it is classed as a somewhat fraught period (you know like the difficult second album - joke in Spinal Tap), then the connotation of it would be identical in terms of calling the Forum Divergence s in calling it Not The Big..... Sorry for making this deep, it's the Psychology element of my training kicking in or perhaps my over analytical brain working too much, or too much coffee before 11am. Just a whimsy of a thought I would throw out there.
On a positive note, isn't it nice, almost that warm glowing feel, that we are at the first step of something that could be really good....
Always the positive that's my motto.
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Post by Tony Jones on Oct 16, 2015 11:01:58 GMT
kfbate - you lost me! I didn't spot the conclusion!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2015 12:10:11 GMT
I can't see why Big Finish would have any problem with us using Big Finish in the forum name, anybody here is a fan of rhe Big Finish audios so we would hardly be doing anything detrimental to the Big Finish name. We are unofficial and are doing nobody any harm, we shouldn't have to be running off to Big Finish when we want to do something. Our name (when chosen) will be what we are, Big Finish don't have to like it as it's not their forum!
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Post by kfbate on Oct 16, 2015 13:15:03 GMT
kfbate - you lost me! I didn't spot the conclusion! Sorry classic case of typing slower than my brain works, I was merely pointing out that Divergence is universally accepted as being like marmite, and therefore is to some a negative, so in practice Notthebigfinishforum or the divergent universe forum are both essentially negative connotations, I was hoping we could have something more up beat. That perhaps encapsulated a pun or play on words or acronym for something Whovian or the like, sorry I was having one those moments.
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Post by Tony Jones on Oct 16, 2015 13:18:45 GMT
That's alright - my money's on Blue Forgotten Planet having a late run (though I suppose Forgotten isn't very positive either)!
Maybe I can edit history and get some crazy names in like Church of Zagreus, or something requiring more imagination than I've currently got available!?
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Post by jasonward on Oct 16, 2015 15:58:05 GMT
I talked to Ian about using Divergent Universe, he passed me up to Nick. I emailed Nick but have had no response. I suspect they won't give a 'yes' as it might be construed as an endorsement. Are we being a touch too deferential to BF in this?
Surely all we have to do is:
Make sure their ok with us posting Links to their News and Promo materials and discussing their products on here.
Anything else is our choice.
Regards
mark687
I'd *if anything* then exactly the opposite, they have no legal right what so ever to stop us posting links or discussing their products. They do have certain legal rights to their name and the names they use for elements within their stories, but actually so do we, and criticism (in its widest sense) and commentary, and using otherwise protected names for that criticism and commentary is one of our rights. A lawyer would need to tell us for certain if something like "Not the BF forum" is something we could use without BF's permission, but from my memory of things in the past it isn't, although Divergent Universe and Blue Forgotten Planet probably are, although I actually think it is the authors of the stories that these names come from could infact be the owners of the names, although in turn, if they are not Trademarks (registered or otherwise) then they cannot prevent the names being used in the way we want.
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Post by elkawho on Oct 16, 2015 16:08:17 GMT
kfbate - you lost me! I didn't spot the conclusion! Sorry classic case of typing slower than my brain works, I was merely pointing out that Divergence is universally accepted as being like marmite, and therefore is to some a negative, so in practice Notthebigfinishforum or the divergent universe forum are both essentially negative connotations, I was hoping we could have something more up beat. That perhaps encapsulated a pun or play on words or acronym for something Whovian or the like, sorry I was having one those moments. I see nothing negative in having "divergence" in the title. From Dictionary.com: diverging: 1) to move, lie, or extend in different directions from a common point; branch off. 2) to differ in opinion, character, form, etc.; deviate.
And isn't that exactly what we are doing? Nothing negative here. I see only positive.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Oct 16, 2015 16:10:20 GMT
After a while a name becomes meaningless...
All points are nice and.logical.
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Post by glutamodo on Oct 16, 2015 16:23:14 GMT
Yeah, I guess you're right TD, but I still find "Divergent" to be mildly "repellent", but that's just me.
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Post by kfbate on Oct 16, 2015 16:54:27 GMT
Tin Dog has actually hit the nail on the head, once saved in favorites it becomes just a page that loads. Fair Point
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Post by Ela on Oct 16, 2015 18:18:38 GMT
Did the Big Finish Listeners FB page get permission to use the name?
And we were on the FB page The Zero Room - Big Finish Discussion Chamber, which Nick and Joe joined with no commentary whatsoever about the name of the group.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Oct 16, 2015 21:44:29 GMT
Yeah, I guess you're right TD, but I still find "Divergent" to be mildly "repellent", but that's just me. I agree. I will however obey the majority decision
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Post by elgranto on Oct 17, 2015 2:52:19 GMT
I voted for Divergent Universe and Blue Forgotten Planet. I'm more in support of the former for three reasons:
1) It makes something positive out of a divisive (or dare I say "divergent") era in the canon. 2) It acknowledges a time when Big Finish, for all intents and purposes, WAS Doctor Who. 3) The title acknowledges it's parent forum without being perceived as negative of said forum.
Blue Forgotten Planet does have a nice ring to it though, so I'll give it that. But my money's on Divergent Universe.
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Post by mbt66 on Oct 18, 2015 10:43:34 GMT
Seeing as it is currently leading the voting I thought I would quickly show what I was talking about earlier with regard the DU image. Sorry it is so rough.
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Post by Tony Jones on Oct 18, 2015 10:45:57 GMT
Needs a tiny trim around the cut out and it might be nice to see some other colour backgrounds;-)
If it wins one of us can take that as the favicon while we launch a header banner competition!
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Post by aztec on Oct 18, 2015 11:30:34 GMT
I was boring and voted to keep 'Not The Big Finish Forum' it's A) straight to the point and easier to remember and B) And clearly can't be taken as an endorsement by Big Finish.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Oct 18, 2015 11:50:07 GMT
Boooo!
Divergent uni is winning!
Can we at least have Unofficial big finish as a sub title?
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