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Post by barnabaslives on May 3, 2017 5:35:55 GMT
S'alright, not everyone likes everything, I'm sure. Personally the quality of the range has been so high that I'd find it pretty easy to forgive a klunker if I though this story really was one (although I admit to a bit of wincing at the beginning). It might be true that this was a risky story in counting on the listener to follow the transition from the intentionally campy introduction into the more real and more serious world of Torchwood, but for myself the storytelling seemed to be skillful enough that it guided me along so that following that transition didn't take effort on my part, and I ended up feeling invested in the characters against considerable odds. I'm still impressed with that because I otherwise might have expected to have a poor opinion of this one myself - I'd have thought for sure virtually anyone would lose me at "Charlie's Angels Nod". I wouldn't have thought even the remarkable Mr. Dorney could make that one work.
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Post by mark687 on May 3, 2017 14:54:37 GMT
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Post by davygallagher on May 3, 2017 19:35:19 GMT
A 10/10 review  |
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Post by mark687 on May 3, 2017 19:42:59 GMT
A 10/10 review I said it'd be Marmite for every comment I've seen praising there's been another not so.
For what it was it was Ok, I don't see why you'd want a follow-up though.
Regards
mark687
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Post by davygallagher on May 3, 2017 19:54:17 GMT
A 10/10 review I said it'd be Marmite for every comment I've seen praising there's been another not so.
For what it was it was Ok, I don't see why you'd want a follow-up though.
Regards
mark687
I've seen a lot of like for it but does anyone else but the Starburst review seriously think this deserved a perfect score? To consider it a flawless story...man. I'm always saying some reviewers for BF are prone to be quite generous with the scores but the idea that this is as good as it gets baffles me. I clicked the link to read the full review and still am none the wiser as it doesn't really tell me why this is supposed to be 10/10 worthy outside of a few superlatives. It cheapens the instant classics when they do come along to see something like this held up as such. I can completely grasp that it's all subjective but I just heard nothing here - nothing - that even slightly deserves the highest praise, the top scores. It was fun in places but felt like a 5-minute pitch stretched out wayyyyy further than the premise allowed. There were a couple of chortles but if you're doing a parody - and this is trying to...you really need to be either funny or insightful about what you're parodying. This just wasn't. |
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Post by omega on May 3, 2017 21:33:08 GMT
I said it'd be Marmite for every comment I've seen praising there's been another not so.
For what it was it was Ok, I don't see why you'd want a follow-up though.
Regards
mark687
I've seen a lot of like for it but does anyone else but the Starburst review seriously think this deserved a perfect score? To consider it a flawless story...man. I'm always saying some reviewers for BF are prone to be quite generous with the scores but the idea that this is as good as it gets baffles me. I clicked the link to read the full review and still am none the wiser as it doesn't really tell me why this is supposed to be 10/10 worthy outside of a few superlatives. It cheapens the instant classics when they do come along to see something like this held up as such. I don't really read the reviews quoted on the product pages. They're always positive, and I prefer places like this where the feedback doesn't have the ulterior motive of getting page clicks and link retweets. Nick's reaction to a certain Charlotte Pollard review also springs to mind. |
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Post by lidar on May 5, 2017 16:43:03 GMT
Enjoyed it alright. Wouldn't want a whole series of it but 1 per series would be fine
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Post by Audio Watchdog on May 5, 2017 21:38:19 GMT
I don't have a problem with a Charlie's Angel nod or three....for the record Kate Jackson, Jaclyn Smith & Cheryl Ladd was the greatest trio....but its the dialects that have me stopping it a few minutes in.
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Post by pawntake on May 6, 2017 8:39:52 GMT
It was ok  I went along with it,tried desperately to embrace it It was funny in parts,but overall it didn't float my boat 
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Post by tomstardis on May 6, 2017 10:17:44 GMT
I wanted to enjoy it and there were moments where I thought it was going to work and then it just turned into Charlie's Angels and put me off. I know that it was mentioned in one of the BF Podcasts and its clear that this was what the writer was intending but I think that this did the story no favours.
The more I think about it, the more I am of the opinion that this was the weakest Torchwood story so far. None of the previous ones were anything less that very good. It was an experiment which didn't work. Should BF stop doing them? No because if you don't try you don't know. But it wont be one that I will be playing again in a hurry.
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Post by Hieronymus on Jun 14, 2017 14:54:32 GMT
Two of the three ladies are indeed American actresses. However they're acting in a very heightened way to accentuate elements of the Charlie's Angels parody. It seems most of the people getting hung up on this are British posters, oddly.  I'm American, and the accents were bad for me too. One character was supposed to be from Brooklyn, a city famed for it's peculiar accent, yet the the character talks like she's from Chicago or the Midwest. Another character is supposed to be from Louisiana, but speaks in "cartoon Southern". The third character has a northern Mexican accent, but this one was almost right on target. I'm not sure why they made her an immigrant, and California was part of Mexico before the US took over, and there is still a very large population with Mexican heritage that did not emigrate. But the accents don't make up for the painfully cheesy dialogue. I wanted to claw at my face. The music was all over the place, not fixing to any particular time or regional style. The vocabulary of the characters did the same. So I couldn't decide which decade from the 50s to 80s this episode was supposed to be set in. And a character named Gabriella. Really? Same as the Titan Comics character companion to the 11th Doctor? Couldn't they use something different to avoid confusing the listener? If this were the pilot episode for a new show, I wouldn't watch it. |
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jun 15, 2017 3:09:19 GMT
Yeah, speaking as a Louisiana native, I've never heard anything like that here. I've still not been able to get through this one and I have really loved the Torchwood range.
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Post by davygallagher on Jun 15, 2017 5:14:38 GMT
Not really getting the accent issue still. Surely this is parodying cheesy retro TV where dodgy accents galore can be found? It's easily the most heightened and removed from the "real" world release we've had in the range.
It's the least of the story's issues.
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Post by barnabaslives on Jun 15, 2017 7:00:18 GMT
I thought it was amazing that over the course of the story it seemed to transform from a parody into something much less of one, that could probably stand on its own strengths, but I think it just faced too many challenges given everything else this story needed to try and accomplish as an introduction to an American Torchwood and a consistently good story about aliens. I felt somewhat shortchanged on both later accounts, but on the other hand I think it would have honestly needed another hour to work with to really serve its brave ambitions, so I don't really know what to think except that it actually did quite well given the parameters.
It might be fair to think of as a failed experiment (and it could easily have made up for Torchwood India being a bit on the morose side to have something lighter but I think it turned out just too much of a departure from a normal tone for the series?) but hopefully it's an experiment they could repeat without repeating mistakes such as what I think was probably demanding too much from one story of that duration. For me, it was a big success of the story that I ended up liking the stars and wanting to hear more of them, and more about Torchwood LA.
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Post by Ela on Jun 15, 2017 22:08:41 GMT
Well, the story idea was kind of fun. But. The accents and slang were so fake. No one spoke like that for real in the 1970s.  And some of the dialog and kibitzing was a bit much, too. Not the worst I've ever heard. It was fun in a camp kind of way. |
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Post by fingersmash on Jun 17, 2017 14:32:44 GMT
I just finished it and then went to go run a couple errands but I liked it. A camp story for sure but harmless fun. The auction scene was certainly fun. And all three main girls were wonderful. Maybe a return every couple seasons or so at most. Just to check in.
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Post by Ela on Jul 13, 2017 4:16:47 GMT
I just finished it and then went to go run a couple errands but I liked it. A camp story for sure but harmless fun. The auction scene was certainly fun. And all three main girls were wonderful. Maybe a return every couple seasons or so at most. Just to check in. They were good, but I'm not sure I want a repeat. |
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Post by Zagreus on Jul 13, 2017 4:27:12 GMT
I just finished it and then went to go run a couple errands but I liked it. A camp story for sure but harmless fun. The auction scene was certainly fun. And all three main girls were wonderful. Maybe a return every couple seasons or so at most. Just to check in. They were good, but I'm not sure I want a repeat. Oh I don't know, I think if they were to return in a release with stronger links to Torchwood proper (Jack's ostensibly "American", right?), I'd be up for it. |
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Post by Ela on Jul 13, 2017 14:05:44 GMT
Maybe.
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Post by omega on Jul 13, 2017 20:15:27 GMT
They were good, but I'm not sure I want a repeat. Oh I don't know, I think if they were to return in a release with stronger links to Torchwood proper (Jack's ostensibly "American", right?), I'd be up for it. Jack is sent over to put them back in line. He decides to let them operate as they have, but tells Torchwood One they all died. |
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I went along with it,tried desperately to embrace it 
