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Post by omega on Jan 21, 2017 8:03:20 GMT
Tegan is also more open to exploring than she would be early in season 19. She's even volunteering to go with the Doctor when he investigates what's happened to the ship. Which is also why I put it after "Visitation", Tegan had seemed to stop being so Heathrow orientated after that story. In Iterations of I, which takes place after Black Orchid, she states that Adric trying to fly the TARDIS isn't necessary because she doesn't mind staying on the TARDIS. She's the one who suggests they leave the piloting to the Doctor. Since The Star Men opens with the Doctor teaching Adric, instead of Adric doing so behind the Doctor's back, it's likely Star Men follows Iterations of I. Earthshock has Adric being confident of being able to chart a course back to E-Space in the TARDIS, implying he's got a good understanding of how it works. His program even kicks in at the start of Mistfall, which is how the TARDIS gets there for that trilogy. Maybe his mathematical skills give him an advantage with handling the TARDIS, since his amplified abilities were able to create a whole city through Block-Transfer Computation. Under the right circumstances Adric could even become a god.
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Post by bobod on Jan 21, 2017 12:37:45 GMT
Which is also why I put it after "Visitation", Tegan had seemed to stop being so Heathrow orientated after that story. In Iterations of I, which takes place after Black Orchid, she states that Adric trying to fly the TARDIS isn't necessary because she doesn't mind staying on the TARDIS. She's the one who suggests they leave the piloting to the Doctor. Since The Star Men opens with the Doctor teaching Adric, instead of Adric doing so behind the Doctor's back, it's likely Star Men follows Iterations of I. Ah, but Interations of I surely leads directly into Earthshock. The Doctor is reading 'Black Orchid' and Adric thinks no one ever takes him seriously. I'd say it's more a case of - having had some tutoring in The Star Men, Adric feels able to try flying the TARDIS in Iterations but is not supposed to without the Doctor being present.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 13:15:23 GMT
In Iterations of I, which takes place after Black Orchid, she states that Adric trying to fly the TARDIS isn't necessary because she doesn't mind staying on the TARDIS. She's the one who suggests they leave the piloting to the Doctor. Since The Star Men opens with the Doctor teaching Adric, instead of Adric doing so behind the Doctor's back, it's likely Star Men follows Iterations of I. Ah, but Interations of I surely leads directly into Earthshock. The Doctor is reading 'Black Orchid' and Adric thinks no one ever takes him seriously. I'd say it's more a case of - having had some tutoring in The Star Men, Adric feels able to try flying the TARDIS in Iterations but is not supposed to without the Doctor being present. That does square better with the Doctor having "finally" got back round to Black Orchid and his reaction being closer to reprehension than surprise at discovering Adric by the console. Honestly, I don't blame him after The Visitation, it must've been hearts-twisting to watch that landing in the house. Training would have been a top priority after their excursion with the Cranleighs.
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Post by omega on Jan 21, 2017 19:50:23 GMT
In Iterations of I, which takes place after Black Orchid, she states that Adric trying to fly the TARDIS isn't necessary because she doesn't mind staying on the TARDIS. She's the one who suggests they leave the piloting to the Doctor. Since The Star Men opens with the Doctor teaching Adric, instead of Adric doing so behind the Doctor's back, it's likely Star Men follows Iterations of I. Ah, but Interations of I surely leads directly into Earthshock. The Doctor is reading 'Black Orchid' and Adric thinks no one ever takes him seriously. I'd say it's more a case of - having had some tutoring in The Star Men, Adric feels able to try flying the TARDIS in Iterations but is not supposed to without the Doctor being present. But as long as another story in that gap ends with Doric in a similar mood and the Doctor having picked up Black Orchid to actually finish, my idea still works. It'd be funny if the Doctor procrastinated on reading the book, reflecting Peter Davison s thoughts on the story of the same name.
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Post by bobod on Jan 24, 2017 12:51:22 GMT
Ah, but Interations of I surely leads directly into Earthshock. The Doctor is reading 'Black Orchid' and Adric thinks no one ever takes him seriously. I'd say it's more a case of - having had some tutoring in The Star Men, Adric feels able to try flying the TARDIS in Iterations but is not supposed to without the Doctor being present. But as long as another story in that gap ends with Doric in a similar mood and the Doctor having picked up Black Orchid to actually finish, my idea still works. It'd be funny if the Doctor procrastinated on reading the book, reflecting Peter Davison s thoughts on the story of the same name. It's a bit of a scrabble though - if they're already in that position putting something else in that gap that doesn't need to be there just means someone then must put them back in the same position later. And there's already a sensible fit that doesn't need that.
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Post by Tim Bradley on Jan 28, 2017 7:43:50 GMT
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Post by mark687 on Feb 14, 2017 15:29:55 GMT
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Post by theotherjosh on Feb 17, 2017 19:31:57 GMT
I’m almost always pleasantly surprised by Big Finish’s Fifth Doctor stories, probably because I didn’t much care for his run on television and consequently my expectations are lower than they would be otherwise.
I liked this one right from the beginning. There was a particularly nice bit of characterization where Nyssa encourages Adric in his efforts. Nyssa can be a bit bland in the wrong hands, but being nice doesn’t have to mean being boring, and I think they get her right here.
I remain even more convinced of my pet theory that Tegan and Adric are secretly in love and are covering it up by pretending to hate each other. I offer up “Tedric” as the portmanteau name for their relationship and urge you all to use it.
I think this is the nicest the Fifth Doctor has ever been towards Adric.
Did anyone not immediately think “She’s doomed” thirty seconds after meeting Autumn?
I liked how Adric fought off the Star Men by reciting the sequence of Prime numbers and Fibonacci numbers. It reminded me a bit of A Wrinkle in Time, one of my very favorite books, and Matthew Waterhouse gives a bravura performance. Full Circle was my very first episode and I’ve always been kindly disposed towards Adric, and it’s nice to see him getting a chance to shine after all this time.
It took 50 years, but Doctor Who finally understands the difference between “galaxy” and “universe”.
It’s nice that Big Finish could get Peter Lorre for the role of Lom.
If I had one complaint, it’s that the pacing seemed little off. I thought it sagged a bit in the final act, when tension should have been highest
It took me longer to warm to the Fifth Doctor on audio than it did for some of the others, and I don’t think that’s completely subjective. I think that he took a little longer to find his groove than the other Classic Doctors did. But I love what they’re doing with him now.
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Post by glutamodo on Feb 17, 2017 23:44:36 GMT
While I never disliked Peter's stories and performances as the 5th Doctor, I always felt the role was a bit "watered down, vanilla" at times. (so when the sparky Colin Baker showed up I was rather thrilled) But never at any point, did I dislike the 5th Doctor, I just didn't like him as much as Tom before him. Still, the story Mawdryn Undead remains one of my all-time DW faves. Also, I never disliked Adric, and was pretty shocked by, well, the end of Earthshock, back when it aired on my PBS affiliate.
Anyway, I'm glad they've gotten Matthew to reprise Adric, and that they've given him good bits in great stories like this one. Now that Matthew appears to be totally "on board" here, I think he's playing his role wonderfully.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 1:50:52 GMT
Anyway, I'm glad they've gotten Matthew to reprise Adric, and that they've given him good bits in great stories like this one. Now that Matthew appears to be totally "on board" here, I think he's playing his role wonderfully. As somebody who enjoyed the ending to Earthshock, I never thought I'd be agreeing with those sentiments. But yeah, I think Matthew is playing the role wonderfully in these audios.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Feb 18, 2017 3:19:50 GMT
I have always felt that the idea of Adric was better than the execution of Adric. Based on the strength of the 5th Doctor box set and the first two Main Range stories from this year, Big Finish has a pretty good handle on how the character should have been written 30+ years ago.
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Post by omega on Feb 18, 2017 3:25:33 GMT
I have always felt that the idea of Adric was better than the execution of Adric. Based on the strength of the 5th Doctor box set and the first two Main Range stories from this year, Big Finish has a pretty good handle on how the character should have been written 30+ years ago. That's true of many of the companions Big Finish has inherited from the Classic Series. Before Big Finish Mel was known as a screamer, Nyssa a background character, and Peri the one with the revealing clothing, and the Companion Chronicles have given the 60's and early 70's companions more depth and continuity than they usually got on screen. The CCs actually remember Steven was a space pilot for one thing, and it's incorporated well into some of his audio stories (for example The Cold Equations).
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Feb 18, 2017 3:27:08 GMT
Oh no doubt. I always offer up Tegan as example number one of what Big Finiah can do with certain characters.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Feb 18, 2017 9:42:36 GMT
*Prepares to duck for cover* I didn't like it. I'm not sure why exactly but it isn't holding my interest at all, and the acting seems ... off! I'll have to listen to it again sometime, in case I'm just not in the mood for it. Sorry guys, I wanted to like it but ... *Ducks for cover* Cheers Tony Why do people apologize for not liking something? It's your opinion and it really has no bearing on any opinion I'm going to form for myself. Anyway, you are the third person I come across today saying they were sorry for not liking something. Carry on with your regularly scheduled day. This is why it pays to read all the threads, you never know who you will agree with. Why do people apologize for not liking something? I could understand if mom cooked it, or dad fixed it(my back deck), but something bought? I don't get that. I wanted to like that big mac 2 nights ago, but they left off the mac sauce, when I called them, I didn't apologize to them.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Feb 18, 2017 9:48:52 GMT
Which is also why I put it after "Visitation", Tegan had seemed to stop being so Heathrow orientated after that story. In Iterations of I, which takes place after Black Orchid, she states that Adric trying to fly the TARDIS isn't necessary because she doesn't mind staying on the TARDIS. She's the one who suggests they leave the piloting to the Doctor. Since The Star Men opens with the Doctor teaching Adric, instead of Adric doing so behind the Doctor's back, it's likely Star Men follows Iterations of I. Earthshock has Adric being confident of being able to chart a course back to E-Space in the TARDIS, implying he's got a good understanding of how it works. His program even kicks in at the start of Mistfall, which is how the TARDIS gets there for that trilogy. Maybe his mathematical skills give him an advantage with handling the TARDIS, since his amplified abilities were able to create a whole city through Block-Transfer Computation. Under the right circumstances Adric could even become a god. How can you remember all this stuff? And then keep it strait in your head? I can listen to the same cd 4 times in a month, and forget it by the next month, it's like that part of my memory doesn't work, while another part works far too well.
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Post by omega on Feb 18, 2017 9:56:20 GMT
In Iterations of I, which takes place after Black Orchid, she states that Adric trying to fly the TARDIS isn't necessary because she doesn't mind staying on the TARDIS. She's the one who suggests they leave the piloting to the Doctor. Since The Star Men opens with the Doctor teaching Adric, instead of Adric doing so behind the Doctor's back, it's likely Star Men follows Iterations of I. Earthshock has Adric being confident of being able to chart a course back to E-Space in the TARDIS, implying he's got a good understanding of how it works. His program even kicks in at the start of Mistfall, which is how the TARDIS gets there for that trilogy. Maybe his mathematical skills give him an advantage with handling the TARDIS, since his amplified abilities were able to create a whole city through Block-Transfer Computation. Under the right circumstances Adric could even become a god. How can you remember all this stuff? And then keep it strait in your head? I can listen to the same cd 4 times in a month, and forget it by the next month, it's like that part of my memory doesn't work, while another part works far too well. If you really want to know what goes on in my head you'll need a map, imagination, swim trunks (there's a waterslide in there somewhere) and leave judgement at the door. You'll be spending a while in there, so bring at least a couple of days worth of food and water. And that's only on the surface of my mind! I've got some mental pictures I want to erase, so feel free to bring some brain bleach.
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Post by Timelord007 on Feb 18, 2017 10:21:12 GMT
I’m almost always pleasantly surprised by Big Finish’s Fifth Doctor stories, probably because I didn’t much care for his run on television and consequently my expectations are lower than they would be otherwise. I liked this one right from the beginning. There was a particularly nice bit of characterization where Nyssa encourages Adric in his efforts. Nyssa can be a bit bland in the wrong hands, but being nice doesn’t have to mean being boring, and I think they get her right here. I remain even more convinced of my pet theory that Tegan and Adric are secretly in love and are covering it up by pretending to hate each other. I offer up “Tedric” as the portmanteau name for their relationship and urge you all to use it. I think this is the nicest the Fifth Doctor has ever been towards Adric. Did anyone not immediately think “She’s doomed” thirty seconds after meeting Autumn? I liked how Adric fought off the Star Men by reciting the sequence of Prime numbers and Fibonacci numbers. It reminded me a bit of A Wrinkle in Time, one of my very favorite books, and Matthew Waterhouse gives a bravura performance. Full Circle was my very first episode and I’ve always been kindly disposed towards Adric, and it’s nice to see him getting a chance to shine after all this time. It took 50 years, but Doctor Who finally understands the difference between “galaxy” and “universe”. It’s nice that Big Finish could get Peter Lorre for the role of Lom. If I had one complaint, it’s that the pacing seemed little off. I thought it sagged a bit in the final act, when tension should have been highest It took me longer to warm to the Fifth Doctor on audio than it did for some of the others, and I don’t think that’s completely subjective. I think that he took a little longer to find his groove than the other Classic Doctors did. But I love what they’re doing with him now. Couldn't have put it better myself mate.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Feb 18, 2017 10:27:31 GMT
Yeah, ive got some I cant unsee myself. but hey, there only there, when I close my eyes.
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Post by barnabaslives on Feb 19, 2017 3:33:28 GMT
How can you remember all this stuff? And then keep it strait in your head? I can listen to the same cd 4 times in a month, and forget it by the next month, it's like that part of my memory doesn't work, while another part works far too well. I have the same sort of trouble, I'm lucky if I remember that I liked a particular story and one thing that happened in it when it's two weeks down the road. Of course, this may have something to do with me listening to almost every BF Doctor Who story and almost every TV episode (plus all the TV episodes from Leela to Mel and all the 10th Doctor episodes a second time) all in the space of two years? (Also a few months ago I spent six weeks reviewing everything that ever happened in 1200+ TV episodes of Dark Shadows). That's a lot of stories if I stop to count them. Of course, I'll be more than happy to do it all over again in the unlikely event that time allows. Almost every Big Finish audio I've heard more than once, I liked even better on later listenings. I guess another part of that may be that I don't always get to pay as much attention to the stories as I like, unless I'm watching a TV episode, I'm almost always trying to listen to a story and do too many other things at the same time. I really only rewind if I've missed something so major that I've gotten completely lost.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 10:30:11 GMT
I really enjoyed this one despite a somewhat muted reception on here and FB. It wasn't reinventing the wheel but it was a solid sci-fi story and, crucially, gave Matthew some lovely material as Adric. Nyssa was written well also. With JNT's infamous "crowded TARDIS" these guys struggled to get much to do on screen. Stories like this and the two from the boxset in 2015 show that you can absolutely write as well for 4 characters as for 2 or 3 if you give them each a clear story and a strong characterisation. I felt really quite bad at the end. BF have killed off manys a "companion of the week" but Autumn was very much a vibrant, fun character. I almost felt guilty for wanting her mother to go instead. Don't think it's been mentioned but Sophie Wu, of the Kick Ass films (and formerly partner of one A. Darvill) played Autumn. Nice casting.
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