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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2017 23:36:00 GMT
Fantastic release. It makes me wonder why we didn't see the vampries feature - they seem ready-made to be pitted the all-new all-different Doctor in season 18 and the BBC were brazen enough to put Davison in the role. And while many Big Finish releases embrace the audio format, this was a story I could see done within the confines of an eighties budget. AND THAT COVER, EVERYONE!
I love the character work being done with Tegan. Much better then what was done in the eighties ("I'm here with the corriders, Doctaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah") and can't wait to see her reasons to stay. Being desperate and unhappy enough to manipulate Adric was deeply saddening (and she really felt she couldn't help him and I don't blame her for wanting to get out. Adric has Nyssa). The universe is strange and beautiful, but it's also dark and unknown. Can't wait to see more of that journey. Gevaudan was intresting inversion of a trope, out of the unknown, eh? Nice to see Big Finish incorporate Adric's artful dodger characterisation as well.
I wonder if we'll see Tegan and The Doctor have a heart to heart early next year?
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Post by nottenst on Apr 3, 2017 14:31:26 GMT
All in all this was a very entertaining release. I will say that I was wondering about the previous story when the Doctor came across this group. I mean I know we've had other "vampire stories" but will we ever hear that particular story. It sounds like it was a 3rd Doctor w/ Jo story. Since Clarimonde was expecting Jo Grant, it must have been a 3rd Doctor with Jo story. I do hope we will hear it one of these days as either part of a 3rd Doctor adventures or a Jo narrated CC. If enough of us write in to the Big Finish podcast about it, maybe one of us will be answered P.S. I sent an email in. I might also send a tweet to the author and see if he will be writing the prequel.
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Post by nottenst on Apr 3, 2017 15:28:31 GMT
The writer, Matthew J Elliot, retweeted my note about enjoying the story, so I replied to him "By the way, will you be writing the 3rd Doctor Prequel?" He replied back "That's up to the good people at @bigfinish!"
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Apr 3, 2017 20:50:00 GMT
Oh thank goodness. I was listening to this wracking my brain trying to recall the 3rd Doctor story that came before this one.
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Post by number13 on Apr 3, 2017 21:58:26 GMT
Oh thank goodness. I was listening to this wracking my brain trying to recall the 3rd Doctor story that came before this one. Another of those mysterious Third Doctor and Jo stories referred to but never seen, like their earlier visit to Karfel mentioned in 'Timelash'. Agree with the earlier post: As it was specifically a Third Doctor and Jo adventure, we might hear their encounter with Clarimonde yet in the 3DAs - it would be a great idea.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Apr 5, 2017 7:58:16 GMT
Anyone else want in on my Mad theory that Claramonde is a Clara-fragment gone bad?
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Post by omega on Apr 5, 2017 8:59:32 GMT
Anyone else want in on my Mad theory that Claramonde is a Clara-fragment gone bad? I love humans. Always seeing patterns in things that aren't there.
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Post by omega on Apr 5, 2017 9:02:15 GMT
Oh thank goodness. I was listening to this wracking my brain trying to recall the 3rd Doctor story that came before this one. Another of those mysterious Third Doctor and Jo stories referred to but never seen, like their earlier visit to Karfel mentioned in 'Timelash'. Agree with the earlier post: As it was specifically a Third Doctor and Jo adventure, we might hear their encounter with Clarimonde yet in the 3DAs - it would be a great idea. I thought Clarimonde hadn't met the Doctor. Indeed, the Doctor says he never met her, so it's possible she'd observed him. She also mentioned Tegan didn't fit the description of Jo, and Tegan had to set the record straight on that.
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Post by number13 on Apr 5, 2017 10:23:35 GMT
Another of those mysterious Third Doctor and Jo stories referred to but never seen, like their earlier visit to Karfel mentioned in 'Timelash'. Agree with the earlier post: As it was specifically a Third Doctor and Jo adventure, we might hear their encounter with Clarimonde yet in the 3DAs - it would be a great idea. I thought Clarimonde hadn't met the Doctor. Indeed, the Doctor says he never met her, so it's possible she'd observed him. She also mentioned Tegan didn't fit the description of Jo, and Tegan had to set the record straight on that. You're right! Of course she says that and I overlooked it. There must have been a very memorable (and fatal) encounter between some of her people and the Third Doctor and I'd like to hear it. Perhaps it was really personal, Clarimonde's twin sister? Then they could ask Niamh Cusack to reprise her excellent performance.
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Post by omega on Apr 5, 2017 10:37:39 GMT
I thought Clarimonde hadn't met the Doctor. Indeed, the Doctor says he never met her, so it's possible she'd observed him. She also mentioned Tegan didn't fit the description of Jo, and Tegan had to set the record straight on that. You're right! Of course she says that and I overlooked it. There must have been a very memorable (and fatal) encounter between some of her people and the Third Doctor and I'd like to hear it. Perhaps it was really personal, Clarimonde's twin sister? Then they could ask Niamh Cusack to reprise her excellent performance. I'm trying to remember if the Doctor was aware of Clarimonde's name before Perrault spilled the beans.
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Post by barnabaslives on Apr 5, 2017 11:09:28 GMT
I'm trying to remember if the Doctor was aware of Clarimonde's name before Perrault spilled the beans. I thought so since it seemed like an important point, but then again I'm probably only aware of my own name half the time, so I could be mistaken.
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Post by omega on Apr 5, 2017 11:17:32 GMT
I'm trying to remember if the Doctor was aware of Clarimonde's name before Perrault spilled the beans. I thought so since it seemed like an important point, but then again I'm probably only aware of my own name half the time, so I could be mistaken. The Doctor is able to recognise the Exemplar by looking at the tracking data, so maybe Clarimonde was an important figure to the Necrobiologicals, her and the Doctor heard about each other but never got to meet. It'd explain how Clarimonde had Jo's description. Clarimonde could even be the leader of a rogue faction of the Necrobiologicals, the group aboard the Exemplar.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 15:07:23 GMT
It seems to have taken me ages to finish this, but it has been great fun. Great characters, lots of typical (for the era) continuity references and nice dialogue for everyone. Adric has a melancholy air about him that is good continuity from television, but in retrospect, has even greater resonance. Liked it!
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Post by mark687 on Apr 19, 2017 10:46:40 GMT
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Post by barnabasbytes on May 11, 2017 3:53:19 GMT
Ok... how about I delete the post? No, it's interesting. I had wondered whether the voice belonged to an older woman or what.
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Post by omega on May 11, 2017 4:07:43 GMT
I thought Clarimonde hadn't met the Doctor. Indeed, the Doctor says he never met her, so it's possible she'd observed him. She also mentioned Tegan didn't fit the description of Jo, and Tegan had to set the record straight on that. You're right! Of course she says that and I overlooked it. There must have been a very memorable (and fatal) encounter between some of her people and the Third Doctor and I'd like to hear it. Perhaps it was really personal, Clarimonde's twin sister? Then they could ask Niamh Cusack to reprise her excellent performance. The vampires are the historic enemies of the Time Lords, so it'd make sense for the Third Doctor to go to great efforts to try stamp them out. In State of Decay the Fourth Doctor was determined to kill the Great Vampire, an unusual impulse for him. The Doctor usually tries to find a peaceful and non-violent solution even with alien races unless they are actively and sometimes instinctively malicious (think Sutekh). Ironically the Sixth Doctor was the one who held back when dealing with vampires.
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Post by barnabasbytes on May 11, 2017 4:24:40 GMT
This was my favorite so far. The story was fresh, spontaneous, and seemed like a great episode of the show. Actually it was more polished than any episodes from th e period and the cast was flawless.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 5:25:40 GMT
You're right! Of course she says that and I overlooked it. There must have been a very memorable (and fatal) encounter between some of her people and the Third Doctor and I'd like to hear it. Perhaps it was really personal, Clarimonde's twin sister? Then they could ask Niamh Cusack to reprise her excellent performance. The vampires are the historic enemies of the Time Lords, so it'd make sense for the Third Doctor to go to great efforts to try stamp them out. In State of Decay the Fourth Doctor was determined to kill the Great Vampire, an unusual impulse for him. The Doctor usually tries to find a peaceful and non-violent solution even with alien races unless they are actively and sometimes instinctively malicious (think Sutekh). Ironically the Sixth Doctor was the one who held back when dealing with vampires. While conversely, the Fifth Doctor in Goth Opera is instrumental in setting an entire army of their kind alight. They're probably the closest that Time Lords get to having a blood enemy. Gallifreyans are genetically programmed to destroy certain species that would threaten the continuity of time and I think the vampires fall under that category. Considering where they came from (being thralls of a sentient, psychotic form of space totally anathema to our own), it's not hard to see why the Time Lords would be so frightened of them.
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Post by omega on May 11, 2017 5:51:47 GMT
The vampires are the historic enemies of the Time Lords, so it'd make sense for the Third Doctor to go to great efforts to try stamp them out. In State of Decay the Fourth Doctor was determined to kill the Great Vampire, an unusual impulse for him. The Doctor usually tries to find a peaceful and non-violent solution even with alien races unless they are actively and sometimes instinctively malicious (think Sutekh). Ironically the Sixth Doctor was the one who held back when dealing with vampires. While conversely, the Fifth Doctor in Goth Opera is instrumental in setting an entire army of their kind alight. They're probably the closest that Time Lords get to having a blood enemy. Gallifreyans are genetically programmed to destroy certain species that would threaten the continuity of time and I think the vampires fall under that category. Considering where they came from (being thralls of a sentient, psychotic form of space totally anathema to our own), it's not hard to see why the Time Lords would be so frightened of them. Zagreus reveals that {Spoiler}Rassilon prevented other races who could rival and eventually take the place of the Time Lords from even developing, hence the Divergents. It makes sense with the CIA's (Celestial Intervention Agency) mission of preventing other races from developing time travel tech. While there's the obvious intention of keeping the timelines and the Web of Time intact, it also lets them maintain influence over time. Rather convenient with how the Time Lords in the High Council and the CIA are characterised.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on May 11, 2017 6:34:44 GMT
Vorlon kosh...
You are not ready...
Then blows up the vampire ship.
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