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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 19:05:20 GMT
The ending to Vortex Ice made me very happy. What a Revelation! One of the things that bugs me a little is when people describe a release as a 'lovely little story' - it's a back-handed compliment if ever there was one, it seems to me. And so, Vortex Ice is a lovely little story! Intimate, contained and perfect for it's two episode running time. A piece that is as entertaining as a character piece for the regulars as it is what young folk might call a 'timey wimey' tale. I love the announcement of new, spectacular 10th Doctor stories. It's a wonderful thing that actors old and new are happy to come to Big Finish to further the escapades of The Doctor. But I'll always be drawn to the classic series if I'm honest, probably because that's what I grew up with. And it's always a pleasure to welcome back Old Sixie for some more adventures. Some complain he's mellowed too much since his time on televisoin, that he's become too cuddly. I think that's untrue - he certainly retains a few of his rougher edges here. And Flip is wonderful. Great fun - roll on Cortex Fire
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Post by number13 on May 17, 2017 21:50:02 GMT
Vortex IceAn excellent story by Jonathan Morris, a classic 'enclosed space and monster' story with unfortunate scientists in deep trouble, the Doctor and Flip to the rescue, a brilliant twist - and then a second, even better twist on top of that. Complex, clever and involving, this is one I'll want to hear a few times before I'm sure it's all sorted out in my head! And that will be a pleasure; Old Sixie is my favourite audio Doctor and what a splendid companion is Flip! Various Doctors have now had various Londoner companions but for me Flip stands above them all. Fun, irrepressible and (as this story shows) very capable indeed. I couldn't have done what she does here! A nagging feeling of deja vu hung around my listening and then I remembered; same author, another story, a long time ago... This story is a really clever twist on the idea, but even to hint at the name of the other would be a big spoiler, so I'll hide it and please don't read unless you've listened to Vortex Ice, I don't want to spoil this brilliant story: {HUGE Spoiler} 'Flip-Flop' is the story I thought of - agree? And here, the Doctor and Flip-Flop-Flip cleverly do it again, again, again...!
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Post by theotherjosh on May 17, 2017 22:58:20 GMT
Will I get kicked off the board if I say I don't particularly like Flip? Lisa Greenwood sounds like the loveliest person imaginable, but I just don’t like the character.
(Braces for incoming pitchforks)
Reading the other responses in the thread makes me feel like I’m the only person in all of time and space who doesn’t like Flip. It’s like I’m failing some modern version of the Voight-Kampff Test. “You’re in the desert, listening to a Doctor Who audio. It stars the Sixth Doctor and Flip, but you're not enjoying it. Why don’t you like Philippa Jackson?”
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 23:29:48 GMT
Will I get kicked off the board if I say I don't particularly like Flip? Lisa Greenwood sounds like the loveliest person imaginable, but I just don’t like the character. (Braces for incoming pitchforks) Reading the other responses in the thread makes me feel like I’m the only person in all of time and space who doesn’t like Flip. It’s like I’m failing some modern version of the Voight-Kampff Test. “You’re in the desert, listening to a Doctor Who audio. It stars the Sixth Doctor and Flip, but you're not enjoying it. Why don’t you like Philippa Jackson?” One of the nice things about this place is there is no hint of pitchforks!
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Post by kimalysong on May 17, 2017 23:31:11 GMT
Will I get kicked off the board if I say I don't particularly like Flip? Lisa Greenwood sounds like the loveliest person imaginable, but I just don’t like the character. (Braces for incoming pitchforks) Reading the other responses in the thread makes me feel like I’m the only person in all of time and space who doesn’t like Flip. It’s like I’m failing some modern version of the Voight-Kampff Test. “You’re in the desert, listening to a Doctor Who audio. It stars the Sixth Doctor and Flip, but you're not enjoying it. Why don’t you like Philippa Jackson?” You are banned Joseph Takes out the whip! I probably should stay out of this thread since I still need to listen to this
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Post by number13 on May 17, 2017 23:53:44 GMT
I probably should stay out of this thread since I still need to listen to this Yes I would avoid any risk of spoilers; it's a great story and the twist is very, very twisty indeed! Oh and re. 'incoming pitchforks', there are no pitchforks on DU. We have stasers...
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Post by theotherjosh on May 18, 2017 0:09:50 GMT
Will I get kicked off the board if I say I don't particularly like Flip? Lisa Greenwood sounds like the loveliest person imaginable, but I just don’t like the character. (Braces for incoming pitchforks) Reading the other responses in the thread makes me feel like I’m the only person in all of time and space who doesn’t like Flip. It’s like I’m failing some modern version of the Voight-Kampff Test. “You’re in the desert, listening to a Doctor Who audio. It stars the Sixth Doctor and Flip, but you're not enjoying it. Why don’t you like Philippa Jackson?” One of the nice things about this place is there is no hint of pitchforks! I don't want to get overly sentimental about this, but one of the things I really do like about this place is how welcoming we are. Doctor Who fandom is huge and sprawling, and two people could conceivably be lifelong fans and not have any favorites in common. I love that we're not "My Doctor is better than your Doctor" but rather "This is what I love and why I love it and I want to share it with you!"
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Post by acousticwolf on May 18, 2017 8:34:52 GMT
Will I get kicked off the board if I say I don't particularly like Flip? Lisa Greenwood sounds like the loveliest person imaginable, but I just don’t like the character. (Braces for incoming pitchforks) Reading the other responses in the thread makes me feel like I’m the only person in all of time and space who doesn’t like Flip. It’s like I’m failing some modern version of the Voight-Kampff Test. “You’re in the desert, listening to a Doctor Who audio. It stars the Sixth Doctor and Flip, but you're not enjoying it. Why don’t you like Philippa Jackson?” YANA ... Cheers Tony
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Post by number13 on May 18, 2017 11:03:00 GMT
Cortex FireA well-imagined 'alien world' story of a developed society with its own special quirks and evolutionary adaptation, and all too familiar problems, and something lurking deep within... It's a very good 'Doctor Who' adventure inviting us to provide some spectacular 'mind CGI', played out on a large scale in total contrast to the claustrophobic setting of 'Cortex Fire'. And with far more than one monster - or is there...? It's a very clever idea for an alien menace, part real and perhaps partly thought, I'm still not sure. But it's an intruiging concept, where legends and a society's cultural roots merge with psychology and futuristic science to create - what exactly? The slightly nebulous nature of the Doctor's adversary is a key part of the story, and while I liked that I did find it made the 'monster' harder to get a firm grip on - which was possibly the idea, because the Doctor found that too... A very good story, for me not as good as 'Vortex Ice', but that's the strength and weakness of these double bills I suppose. If you get a story that for you shouts 'Wow!', the other may fade a bit in comparison. So, left to myself, I'd listen to them the other way round. (There's no link to speak of so it wouldn't matter much. The Doctor has brought Flip to this world to be inspired and relax after the events of 'Vortex Ice'. No chance of the relaxation, obviously, there never is... )
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Post by theotherjosh on May 18, 2017 12:28:57 GMT
The thing I liked about Cortex Fire is that the science checks out. The Doctor says that it will take a conventional rocket about a century to travel two light days.
One Light Day: 16,090,000,000 miles. Two Light Days: 32,180,000,000 miles. The Voyager Probes Travel about 11 miles per second, which works out to 39600 mph. Dividing 16,090,000,000 miles by 39600 mph gives us 8125,626. Dividing that by 8760 hours in a year gives us about 93 years
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 12:50:46 GMT
Will I get kicked off the board if I say I don't particularly like Flip? Lisa Greenwood sounds like the loveliest person imaginable, but I just don’t like the character. (Braces for incoming pitchforks) Reading the other responses in the thread makes me feel like I’m the only person in all of time and space who doesn’t like Flip. It’s like I’m failing some modern version of the Voight-Kampff Test. “You’re in the desert, listening to a Doctor Who audio. It stars the Sixth Doctor and Flip, but you're not enjoying it. Why don’t you like Philippa Jackson?” I got to admit, and I'm not proud of this, but I'm in exactly the same boat when it comes to Flip. She's like Brewster, I just cannot find myself liking the character. And yet, she's never ruined a story for me; at worst, she's just made it uncomfortable. Wirrn Isle still remains one of my favourites. I don't know what it is about her, she just seems a bit... Ohh, I need a better word than "dim". I know, I know... THROW HIM TO THE HORDA!
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 15:12:24 GMT
I quite like Flip, personally. Constance has been the only Sixth Doctor companion that I just can't warm to so far, in all his years on audio. She's just so...dull. But to each their own, as they probably no longer say.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 15:25:35 GMT
I like Flip a lot. I like Constance too. Two very different companions, and both seem to have a good rapport with The Sixth Doctor - in that he's clearly very fond of them, moreso than with other supporting characters he meets in any one story. What sets them above the other people he meets, I don't know, but the same could be said for many of The Doctor's companions. They're boith good fun and well played and likeable. I don't really think you can ask for much more than that.
Cortex Fire I quite enjoyed. It wasn't my favourite story, but it was good. It did contain several examples, however, of something that really rattles me - 'comedy music'. Does this bug anyone else? If something is funny, you laugh. If something isn't funny, you don't. What I've never heard anyone say, ever, is: 'That scene wasn't particularly amusing, but the comedy music made it so much more enjoyable.' I don't like it. It is unneccessary. I would be pleased if no more 'comedy music' was used in anything else. Ever again.
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Post by mrperson on May 19, 2017 21:35:22 GMT
I *think* I understand most of Vortex Ice, but that was a lot to wrap up in two episodes. Going to have to give that another listen.
Enjoyed these very much, Vortex Ice moreso.
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Post by mrperson on May 19, 2017 21:38:23 GMT
Will I get kicked off the board if I say I don't particularly like Flip? Lisa Greenwood sounds like the loveliest person imaginable, but I just don’t like the character. (Braces for incoming pitchforks) Reading the other responses in the thread makes me feel like I’m the only person in all of time and space who doesn’t like Flip. It’s like I’m failing some modern version of the Voight-Kampff Test. “You’re in the desert, listening to a Doctor Who audio. It stars the Sixth Doctor and Flip, but you're not enjoying it. Why don’t you like Philippa Jackson?” You're not the only. I think she's been written better in the more recent appearances, but she did annoy me for a while. A little too flippant, if you will....
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Post by Audio Watchdog on May 19, 2017 21:38:36 GMT
Cortex Fire I quite enjoyed. It wasn't my favourite story, but it was good. It did contain several examples, however, of something that really rattles me - 'comedy music'. Does this bug anyone else? If something is funny, you laugh. If something isn't funny, you don't. What I've never heard anyone say, ever, is: 'That scene wasn't particularly amusing, but the comedy music made it so much more enjoyable.' I don't like it. It is unneccessary. I would be pleased if no more 'comedy music' was used in anything else. Ever again. Okay. You have just put me off on this release.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 22:24:14 GMT
Cortex Fire I quite enjoyed. It wasn't my favourite story, but it was good. It did contain several examples, however, of something that really rattles me - 'comedy music'. Does this bug anyone else? If something is funny, you laugh. If something isn't funny, you don't. What I've never heard anyone say, ever, is: 'That scene wasn't particularly amusing, but the comedy music made it so much more enjoyable.' I don't like it. It is unneccessary. I would be pleased if no more 'comedy music' was used in anything else. Ever again. Okay. You have just put me off on this release. I'm sorry about that, it wasn't my intention to put anybody off. The music isn't widespread, it's just for a handful of scenes - it isn't like the story is one long comedy. Far from it. But those moments did rankle me more than a bit. Just my opinion though!
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Post by Audio Watchdog on May 19, 2017 22:37:08 GMT
It's a major pet peeve of mine as well. If you need some wacky piece of music to sell something comedic, chances are the material isn't that funny and you've got a major problem.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 8:51:51 GMT
Agreed. Music should be there to support or heighten the emotional intent that is already there and present in the scene, it shouldn't try to manipulate or artificially force emotion on its own. If you need the music to blatantly shout at you that this bit is funny, this bit is scary, or this bit is sad, then something has gone wrong somewhere. Music should work in concert with the drama, not lead it. In my view, anyway.
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Post by mark687 on May 22, 2017 15:19:49 GMT
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