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Post by icecreamdf on Nov 15, 2015 20:47:05 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if Missy comes back. I suspect she'll be remembered as Twelve's main villain. I'm pretty sure John Barrowman has been in the US lately, and he's much more famous and recognizable than Julian Bleach. I just don't think he would be able to return to Doctor Who without it leaking. I think he would if the episode is purely studio-based. Maybe they have a secret entrance into the studios? Its not just the studio though. Remember when RTD and Tennant happened to be in Cardiff a couple of months ago? People saw them and all sorts of rumors went around. John Barrowman would basically have to fly to Cardiff and then remain completely hidden the entire time he was there.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Nov 15, 2015 23:23:40 GMT
{Spoiler} What it says about the finale is interesting. It sounds like Davros was right, and the hybrid is indeed a Dalek/Time Lord combo. More interestingly, the Doctor already knows who/what the hybrid is. It should also be cool to see the Sisterhood again. I hope they have a real role this time.
I also find it interesting that they haven't announced most of the cast for the finale. I'm guessing that Me, or someone even more surprising will be appearing in the finale. They did say that there will be some kind of shocking reveal in Face the Raven, so perhaps someone (apart from Riggsy and Me) will be returning. It would be pretty cool if the shocking reveal were the 8th Doctor.
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Post by jasonward on Nov 15, 2015 23:41:33 GMT
Jack could return as somewhat darker in tone, there's a lot of his life to choose from and his personality is sure to develop over his life. I'm also not sure there needs to be a narrative reason for his return, any more than there needs a narrative reason for Daleks, Davros, The Master/Missy etc
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 16, 2015 21:02:59 GMT
Where's the narrative reason for Jack to return? I'd hate to have him - or anyone - just come back because they're a "favourite" so why not do it. Jack would stick out like a sore thumb with the tone and story of this season and the Moffat era in general. There's plenty of narrative reasons: the missing two years, how he becomes the Face of Boe, Jack meeting River (in Christmas special).... And I definitely disagree that he would 'stick out' considering how this series has explored the idea of immortality quite extensively. Jack could technically be a 'hybrid' himself: part human, part 'godly' creation. Also: I think Jack's a character who could slot into any era seamlessly anyway without a need for a narrative reason behind it. He's basically like the Brigadier of the new series.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 16, 2015 21:04:47 GMT
I think he would if the episode is purely studio-based. Maybe they have a secret entrance into the studios? Its not just the studio though. Remember when RTD and Tennant happened to be in Cardiff a couple of months ago? People saw them and all sorts of rumors went around. John Barrowman would basically have to fly to Cardiff and then remain completely hidden the entire time he was there. It has been done before. Jenna Coleman in Asylum of the Daleks Peter Capaldi for Doctor Who Live Paul McGann's return: Night of the Doctor Julian Bleach's return as Davros
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Post by icecreamdf on Nov 16, 2015 21:13:09 GMT
Its not just the studio though. Remember when RTD and Tennant happened to be in Cardiff a couple of months ago? People saw them and all sorts of rumors went around. John Barrowman would basically have to fly to Cardiff and then remain completely hidden the entire time he was there. It has been done before. Jenna Coleman in Asylum of the Daleks Peter Capaldi for Doctor Who Live Paul McGann's return: Night of the Doctor Julian Bleach's return as Davros Paul McGann was seen in Cardiff, and there were rumors that he was appearing for months before he appeared. Most people wouldn't recognize Julian Bleach without the makeup. Capaldi's in Cardiff filming Doctor Who all the time. Jenna Coleman wasn't really famous yet when Asylum came out, and anyone who saw her in Cardiff probably assumed she was preparing for her time as the companion. DWM even mentioned that they saw her at the readthrough and assumed that she was just filling in until they cast Oswin. Barrowman isn't even on the right continent to film Doctor Who, and he is very recognizable. There's no way he would be able to get over there to film Who without someone taking a picture on their phone.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 16, 2015 21:18:39 GMT
It has been done before. Jenna Coleman in Asylum of the Daleks Peter Capaldi for Doctor Who Live Paul McGann's return: Night of the Doctor Julian Bleach's return as Davros Paul McGann was seen in Cardiff, and there were rumors that he was appearing for months before he appeared. Most people wouldn't recognize Julian Bleach without the makeup. Capaldi's in Cardiff filming Doctor Who all the time. Jenna Coleman wasn't really famous yet when Asylum came out, and anyone who saw her in Cardiff probably assumed she was preparing for her time as the companion. DWM even mentioned that they saw her at the readthrough and assumed that she was just filling in until they cast Oswin. Barrowman isn't even on the right continent to film Doctor Who, and he is very recognizable. There's no way he would be able to get over there to film Who without someone taking a picture on their phone. If you believed the Paul McGann rumours, I'd be surprised. Some people may have recognised Julian Bleach. He hasn't just appeared in Doctor Who. I was referring to Doctor Who Live: The Next Doctor before Peter Capaldi started filming properly as The Doctor, where his identity was disguised right up until the reveal. Jenna Coleman was announced as companion before Asylum of the Daleks - her appearance was still kept secret. Who's to say they couldn't do what they did with Peter Capaldi for Doctor Who Live and transport him to set in a blacked-out car?
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Post by aztec on Nov 16, 2015 21:47:50 GMT
{Spoiler}What it says about the finale is interesting. It sounds like Davros was right, and the hybrid is indeed a Dalek/Time Lord combo. More interestingly, the Doctor already knows who/what the hybrid is. It should also be cool to see the Sisterhood again. I hope they have a real role this time.
I also find it interesting that they haven't announced most of the cast for the finale. I'm guessing that Me, or someone even more surprising will be appearing in the finale. They did say that there will be some kind of shocking reveal in Face the Raven, so perhaps someone (apart from Riggsy and Me) will be returning. It would be pretty cool if the shocking reveal were the 8th Doctor. For me that would be less of a shocking reveal, more a very pleasant surprise ...Though there are a couple of (rather far fetched) rumours about the series finale floating around that suggest a few familiar faces may be making an appearance(MASSIVE rumored spoilers for the finale obviously): Personally I think these are probably false...though I've seen one of the (very) vague set photos leaked from the series finale (which I'm not going to post here) which support aspects of these rumours...in anycase the series finale certainly sounds exciting...
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Post by randomjc on Nov 16, 2015 22:04:47 GMT
Paul McGann was seen in Cardiff, and there were rumors that he was appearing for months before he appeared. Most people wouldn't recognize Julian Bleach without the makeup. Capaldi's in Cardiff filming Doctor Who all the time. Jenna Coleman wasn't really famous yet when Asylum came out, and anyone who saw her in Cardiff probably assumed she was preparing for her time as the companion. DWM even mentioned that they saw her at the readthrough and assumed that she was just filling in until they cast Oswin. Barrowman isn't even on the right continent to film Doctor Who, and he is very recognizable. There's no way he would be able to get over there to film Who without someone taking a picture on their phone. If you believed the Paul McGann rumours, I'd be surprised. Some people may have recognised Julian Bleach. He hasn't just appeared in Doctor Who. I was referring to Doctor Who Live: The Next Doctor before Peter Capaldi started filming properly as The Doctor, where his identity was disguised right up until the reveal. Jenna Coleman was announced as companion before Asylum of the Daleks - her appearance was still kept secret. Who's to say they couldn't do what they did with Peter Capaldi for Doctor Who Live and transport him to set in a blacked-out car? I'd also find a surprise appearance of Jack to be underwhelming, to be honest. Oh look, It's Barrowman...So that's why you aren't on Arrow. Can you go back to Arrow now.
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Post by aztec on Nov 16, 2015 22:13:46 GMT
If you believed the Paul McGann rumours, I'd be surprised. Some people may have recognised Julian Bleach. He hasn't just appeared in Doctor Who. I was referring to Doctor Who Live: The Next Doctor before Peter Capaldi started filming properly as The Doctor, where his identity was disguised right up until the reveal. Jenna Coleman was announced as companion before Asylum of the Daleks - her appearance was still kept secret. Who's to say they couldn't do what they did with Peter Capaldi for Doctor Who Live and transport him to set in a blacked-out car? I'd also find a surprise appearance of Jack to be underwhelming, to be honest. Oh look, It's Barrowman...So that's why you aren't on Arrow. Can you go back to Arrow now.
I liked Jack alot, but I'm not sure he fits the tone of Capaldi's current storylines, and based on the synopsis for the finale episodes, I think a surprise appearance from Jack could feel out of place/unmerited, he's a popular enough character that I think he deserves a proper return in an ordinary story rather than popping up suddenly in a climax just because they can (and no disrespect intended to Mr Barrowman but he has aged since he last appeared on the show, and they'd probably have to find an awkward reason to explain that Jack recognizes his face as the goverment bloke from Children of Earth)
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Post by randomjc on Nov 16, 2015 22:24:57 GMT
I'd also find a surprise appearance of Jack to be underwhelming, to be honest. Oh look, It's Barrowman...So that's why you aren't on Arrow. Can you go back to Arrow now.
I liked Jack alot, but I'm not sure he fits the tone of Capaldi's current storylines, and based on the synopsis for the finale episodes, I think a surprise appearance from Jack could feel out of place/unmerited, he's a popular enough character that I think he deserves a proper return in an ordinary story rather than popping up suddenly in a climax just because they can (and no disrespect intended to Mr Barrowman but he has aged since he last appeared on the show, and they'd probably have to find an awkward reason to explain that Jack recognizes his face as the goverment bloke from Children of Earth) I like Jack, one of the few redeeming things of the Rose Era of Doctor Who. I love Barrowman as an actor, so I'd love to see him back. but as a surprise reappearance, it's underwhelming.
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Post by icecreamdf on Nov 16, 2015 22:35:27 GMT
Paul McGann was seen in Cardiff, and there were rumors that he was appearing for months before he appeared. Most people wouldn't recognize Julian Bleach without the makeup. Capaldi's in Cardiff filming Doctor Who all the time. Jenna Coleman wasn't really famous yet when Asylum came out, and anyone who saw her in Cardiff probably assumed she was preparing for her time as the companion. DWM even mentioned that they saw her at the readthrough and assumed that she was just filling in until they cast Oswin. Barrowman isn't even on the right continent to film Doctor Who, and he is very recognizable. There's no way he would be able to get over there to film Who without someone taking a picture on their phone. If you believed the Paul McGann rumours, I'd be surprised. Some people may have recognised Julian Bleach. He hasn't just appeared in Doctor Who. I was referring to Doctor Who Live: The Next Doctor before Peter Capaldi started filming properly as The Doctor, where his identity was disguised right up until the reveal. Jenna Coleman was announced as companion before Asylum of the Daleks - her appearance was still kept secret. Who's to say they couldn't do what they did with Peter Capaldi for Doctor Who Live and transport him to set in a blacked-out car? It doesn't matter whether the rumors were believed. The fact is that they existed, while there haven't been any rumors about John Barrowman. Julian Bleach is still much less recognizable than John Barrowman, and before this season he was only in one episode seven years ago. People didn't know that Peter Capaldi was the Doctor yet when he made that appearance. People had no reason to think that seeing him in Cardiff was of any significance. There wouldn't have been anything suspicious about seeing the upcoming star of the show in the vicinity of the studio. They can't transport Barrowman all the way from America to Cardiff, and have him stay in Cardiff long enough to fil more than a cameo, without anyone noticing.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 16, 2015 22:35:29 GMT
If you believed the Paul McGann rumours, I'd be surprised. Some people may have recognised Julian Bleach. He hasn't just appeared in Doctor Who. I was referring to Doctor Who Live: The Next Doctor before Peter Capaldi started filming properly as The Doctor, where his identity was disguised right up until the reveal. Jenna Coleman was announced as companion before Asylum of the Daleks - her appearance was still kept secret. Who's to say they couldn't do what they did with Peter Capaldi for Doctor Who Live and transport him to set in a blacked-out car? I'd also find a surprise appearance of Jack to be underwhelming, to be honest. Oh look, It's Barrowman...So that's why you aren't on Arrow. Can you go back to Arrow now.
I don't really see how it would be 'underwhelming'. He hasn't been in the show since 2010!
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 16, 2015 22:40:23 GMT
I'd also find a surprise appearance of Jack to be underwhelming, to be honest. Oh look, It's Barrowman...So that's why you aren't on Arrow. Can you go back to Arrow now.
I liked Jack alot, but I'm not sure he fits the tone of Capaldi's current storylines Nonsense. He'd fit in perfectly; as I said, the current series has had a strong exploration of immortality so far anyway. I disagree. Captain Jack has already seen the Doctor when he's 'hell bent' (Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways when racing to save Rose). That's enough reason for why he wouldn't feel out of place. 'Hang on, I've seen that face before' *Flashback to Frobisher* There. Done. Easy. No 'awkward reason' there.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 16, 2015 22:44:37 GMT
If you believed the Paul McGann rumours, I'd be surprised. Some people may have recognised Julian Bleach. He hasn't just appeared in Doctor Who. I was referring to Doctor Who Live: The Next Doctor before Peter Capaldi started filming properly as The Doctor, where his identity was disguised right up until the reveal. Jenna Coleman was announced as companion before Asylum of the Daleks - her appearance was still kept secret. Who's to say they couldn't do what they did with Peter Capaldi for Doctor Who Live and transport him to set in a blacked-out car? It doesn't matter whether the rumors were believed. The fact is that they existed, while there haven't been any rumors about John Barrowman. Actually, there have been - for the Christmas special. His appearance was still a surprise. He was in the betting. People could have easily put two and two together and worked it out. But his appearance was still a surprise. Yes they can. Private jet. Have him cover a bag over his head on way to private jet, off plane and to studio. Escort him to studio in blacked-out car. They could even use a cover-up: say he's filming a new BBC show.
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Post by randomjc on Nov 17, 2015 2:14:28 GMT
I'd also find a surprise appearance of Jack to be underwhelming, to be honest. Oh look, It's Barrowman...So that's why you aren't on Arrow. Can you go back to Arrow now.
I don't really see how it would be 'underwhelming'. He hasn't been in the show since 2010! Neither has Martha Jones, Mickey, Donna, and a bunch of people. I'd still be underwhelmed by a "surprise!" By any of them. In the end Jack still at least had Torchwood. And I rather see more Ra's al Merlyn than Jack.
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Post by randomjc on Nov 17, 2015 2:17:38 GMT
It doesn't matter whether the rumors were believed. The fact is that they existed, while there haven't been any rumors about John Barrowman. Yes they can. Private jet. Have him cover a bag over his head on way to private jet, off plane and to studio. Escort him to studio in blacked-out car. They could even use a cover-up: say he's filming a new BBC show. The problem with that cover up story is he's a regular on an American TV show. No one would buy he's filming a BBC show I'm the middle of Filming Arrow. Also, who is paying for the jet in that scenario?
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Post by icecreamdf on Nov 17, 2015 3:34:52 GMT
I don't really see how it would be 'underwhelming'. He hasn't been in the show since 2010! Neither has Martha Jones, Mickey, Donna, and a bunch of people. I'd still be underwhelmed by a "surprise!" By any of them. In the end Jack still at least had Torchwood. And I rather see more Ra's al Merlyn than Jack. Now that Sarah's back and nobody needs the Lazarus pits for a while, I'd rather see more Damien Darkh than League of Assassins. I'm sure we haven't seen the last of Merlyn, but I wouldn't mind a bit of a break from him.
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Post by randomjc on Nov 17, 2015 3:51:14 GMT
Neither has Martha Jones, Mickey, Donna, and a bunch of people. I'd still be underwhelmed by a "surprise!" By any of them. In the end Jack still at least had Torchwood. And I rather see more Ra's al Merlyn than Jack. Now that Sarah's back and nobody needs the Lazarus pits for a while, I'd rather see more Damien Darkh than League of Assassins. I'm sure we haven't seen the last of Merlyn, but I wouldn't mind a bit of a break from him. I like Merlyn, I couldnt care less about the league, I want him back. But I can concede I'd prefer more Damien.
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Post by icecreamdf on Nov 17, 2015 4:38:32 GMT
Now that Sarah's back and nobody needs the Lazarus pits for a while, I'd rather see more Damien Darkh than League of Assassins. I'm sure we haven't seen the last of Merlyn, but I wouldn't mind a bit of a break from him. I like Merlyn, I couldnt care less about the league, I want him back. But I can concede I'd prefer more Damien. I'd be happy to have him back eventually, but I think they should finish this arc first. Maybe after Sarah is done being a legend of tomorrow, they can do some kind of arc involving her, Merlyn and Nyssa. Although I suppose in the meantime they can bring Merlyn back to resolve whatever's going on with Thea.
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