guyadams
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Post by guyadams on May 18, 2017 5:58:04 GMT
Did Jane know the ultimate future of our timeline when making her case to Raven? I thought she did not, but may have missed it? (Thanks for putting up with all our chat and queries! - but when you write such great stories... ) Honestly, after years of writing novels more or less in a vacuum, it's rather lovely to tell stories that people want to talk about! There's a throwaway line from Jane where she says that Raven's current future will be even worse than the one she's showing him.
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Post by guyadams on May 18, 2017 6:01:04 GMT
I'm sure Jane said that our future was worse, and also that she'd read Raven's diaries. I didn't get the impression that details were ever shared with Raven (if Jane had really convincing details of a really bad future I think she'd have had him better prepared in the end). The whole framing story, assuming all information presented is correct, is a sort of trolley problem. Is it okay to kill one person to save five? It is, yes. An oldie but a goodie!
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Post by adamelijah on Jun 2, 2017 3:00:38 GMT
One observation: Jane was a bad historian. 100 years after this experiment starts and she imagined that this would continue improving eternally forever. Yet, that's not how civilizations work. Most will wax for a while and then wane. Of course, since Wells didn't allow for such realism, it can't really fit.
I think the challenge of adaptation is that because Welles wrote this as an advocate of ideas Jane comes off as earnest propagandist and for me, it makes it hard to believe her.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Jun 6, 2017 21:51:08 GMT
So glad this came out before Manchester and London
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Post by nottenst on Jul 11, 2017 19:32:08 GMT
I am in the midst of listening to this and I thought I'd mention a funny thing that happened while listening to it. I listen to it in my car off a USB stick. My car's player uses the metadata on the track to put them in order. Unfortunately the metadata for multi-disc titles is the same for corresponding tracks on each disc. They are both from the same volume. So, if I have all the tracks in a folder on the USB it will play them 1-01, 2-01, 1-02, 2-02, 1-03, 2-03 and so forth bouncing from tracks that were on one "disc" to the other. This is usually quite obvious, but not with this title. I started listening to this on the way back from a convention and had forgotten to just include the tracks from disc one. Most of the tracks in this title transition through a door right at the end of each track, so it wasn't immediately obvious I was bouncing from one "disc" to the other. It just was a bit more confusing why somethings seemed to pick up a bit later than expected. For example when his leg gets injured by the boar, it seemed quite some time before that was treated. I got to the 10th "track" (02-05) and was wondering why it didn't seem to be at a break point and then the penny dropped. It is a lot less confusing listening to it in proper track order
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Post by elkawho on Jul 12, 2017 4:05:56 GMT
That happened to me listening to Brotherhood Of The Daleks for the first time. And that story is confusing enough when you listen to it in the proper order!
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Post by nottenst on Jul 12, 2017 14:11:24 GMT
So would you destroy the present for a perfect future? I honestly think he made the wrong decision. Of course the future is important. It's why I believe we should protect the environment for example. Of course we don't really see this future he ultimately sees. But I don't believe that it was right to make people in the present suffer for the future. Of course I am never for the idea of destroying society so it can rebuild itself into something better. Besides even if his extreme action will cause history to remain on course for this perfect future how does he know someone else won't put it off course again? Okay I love audios that make me think and debate in my head and this one certainly did. Just Brilliant! Also I loved the music in this. I keep listening to it over and over again. Just finished it on the way in today, but haven't heard the interviews yet. Checking the wikipedia entry of the book I see this part at the end So, slightly different transition from "The Dictatorship of the Air" (though the suicide pill is mentioned in the preceding paragraph). The utopia seems a bit more idealized as well. It was a fascinating listen and all I was thinking at the end is that the ends do not justify the means. Jane said it had the strongest probability of creating her future, but it was not a certain thing. There had to be a better way. Thanks to guyadams for such a compelling and thoughtful drama and answering so many questions here.
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