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Post by icecreamdf on Jan 24, 2017 22:53:20 GMT
Quick straw poll: at the midpoint twist, how many of you thought, even for a moment, that Moriarty was back? I was convinced he was back from the time he got off the helicopter until he started talking to Mycroft.
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Post by sherlock on Jan 24, 2017 23:15:29 GMT
Quick straw poll: at the midpoint twist, how many of you thought, even for a moment, that Moriarty was back? I was worried for a moment they had. Then the caption and I breathed a sigh of relief. I honestly don't get the desire for Moriarty to return-he had his moment, and it's very good, but that was his story. Less is more.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 23:54:15 GMT
I was worried for a moment they had. Then the caption and I breathed a sigh of relief. I honestly don't get the desire for Moriarty to return-he had his moment, and it's very good, but that was his story. Less is more. I didn't want him to return either. But the first two series were all about him. Then the first episode of the third was all about the question "How did Sherlock survive (and beat Moriarty)?". Add in the cliffhanger which implied that he might be back and "moment" is an understatement.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2017 0:30:42 GMT
Quick straw poll: at the midpoint twist, how many of you thought, even for a moment, that Moriarty was back? You mean the Series 3 cliffhanger? I hoped they wouldn't, based on The Final Problem (short story) being "it" for Moriarty. Also based on Moffat's comments before The Empty Hearse that yes, Moriarty is dead. However I feared they would because "Moffat lies," and because he had featured or made a cameo in every story thus far. So I couldn't imagine Sherlock (TV series) without him. This has left me frustrated now that Series 4 has concluded with a montage that sums up all four series rather well. There is only one episode where Moriarty did not make an appearance, be teased as behind the antagonist, or feature heavily in the question the episode was focussing on: The Sign of Three. Even Eurus' plan featured Moriarty (as psychological war against Sherlock), which taints Six Thatchers and Lying Detective as well. I am one of those people who wished for more episodes where Sherlock just solves crimes, without needing to be part of an arc. But I would settle for an arc that did not involve Moriarty in any way.
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Post by aemiliapaula on Jan 25, 2017 0:42:19 GMT
Children of Earth was very well done, and so scary I can't watch it again. {Spoiler} The scene where they are hiding the kids reminded me too much of the lockdown drills we have to do with the students. Sherlock, the first 2-3 seasons I enjoyed because they used the orignal stories and put their own modern twist on them. I didn't like this last set since the mysteries had little to no connection to the original stories. The Six Thatchers was pretty much exactly like the original story, until Sherlock broke the bust open. Yes, but in that one it seemed to me anyway that the focus was more on the characters and that the actual mystery was secondary. Was there an original story that tied into the 2nd episode? I couldn't remember one off the top of my head. The second 2 stories held my interest at least, I kept getting a bit bored with episode 1. Episode 3 was gripping even if I didn't like it.
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Post by aemiliapaula on Jan 25, 2017 0:46:38 GMT
I am one of those people who wished for more episodes where Sherlock just solves crimes, without needing to be part of an arc. But I would settle for an arc that did not involve Moriarty in any way. Same here. I did like that in the ending monage they showed The Dancing Men, that was the first Sherlock Holmes story I encountered.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jan 25, 2017 0:53:29 GMT
Quick straw poll: at the midpoint twist, how many of you thought, even for a moment, that Moriarty was back? You mean the Series 3 cliffhanger? No, this is the Series 4 thread. Why would I be refering back to The Last Vow when discussion has been about The Final Problem?
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Post by icecreamdf on Jan 25, 2017 4:39:20 GMT
The Six Thatchers was pretty much exactly like the original story, until Sherlock broke the bust open. Yes, but in that one it seemed to me anyway that the focus was more on the characters and that the actual mystery was secondary. Was there an original story that tied into the 2nd episode? I couldn't remember one off the top of my head. The second 2 stories held my interest at least, I kept getting a bit bored with episode 1. Episode 3 was gripping even if I didn't like it. It was based on The Dying Detective, but the two don't have much in common. {Spoiler} In the original, Culverton Smith only killed his nephew and that was just for money. When Holmes worked it put, Smith poisoned him. Holmes saw it coming and pretended he was dying. In both versions, Culverton confesses to his crimes while he believes that he is alone with Holmes, and that Holmes' death is imminent.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2017 6:35:54 GMT
Quick straw poll: at the midpoint twist, how many of you thought, even for a moment, that Moriarty was back? Yes I absolutely fell for it. I should have realised because this was an episode where nothing you saw was what you thought.
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Post by aemiliapaula on Jan 25, 2017 10:25:05 GMT
Yes, but in that one it seemed to me anyway that the focus was more on the characters and that the actual mystery was secondary. Was there an original story that tied into the 2nd episode? I couldn't remember one off the top of my head. The second 2 stories held my interest at least, I kept getting a bit bored with episode 1. Episode 3 was gripping even if I didn't like it. It was based on The Dying Detective, but the two don't have much in common. {Spoiler}In the original, Culverton Smith only killed his nephew and that was just for money. When Holmes worked it put, Smith poisoned him. Holmes saw it coming and pretended he was dying. In both versions, Culverton confesses to his crimes while he believes that he is alone with Holmes, and that Holmes' death is imminent. Thanks I couldn't remember that one though the title seemed familiar.
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Post by elkawho on Jan 25, 2017 18:51:15 GMT
Quick straw poll: at the midpoint twist, how many of you thought, even for a moment, that Moriarty was back? I did, but mostly because I don't have faith that Moffet will let the dead stay dead if he can milk another story out of them.
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Post by Ela on Jan 26, 2017 7:36:08 GMT
Quick straw poll: at the midpoint twist, how many of you thought, even for a moment, that Moriarty was back? I did, but mostly because I don't have faith that Moffet will let the dead stay dead if he can milk another story out of them. You do know that the last episode was written by both Gattiss and Moffat, right? Everyone likes to blame everything on Moffat.
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Post by Ela on Jan 26, 2017 7:37:00 GMT
Quick straw poll: at the midpoint twist, how many of you thought, even for a moment, that Moriarty was back? Nope! Didn't believe it for even one moment.
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Post by acousticwolf on Jan 26, 2017 8:50:53 GMT
Quick straw poll: at the midpoint twist, how many of you thought, even for a moment, that Moriarty was back? Nope! Didn't believe it for even one moment. I had a fleeting instant of "no way" but didn't really believe it. Cheers Tony
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2017 13:24:51 GMT
I did, but mostly because I don't have faith that Moffet will let the dead stay dead if he can milk another story out of them. Everyone likes to blame everything on Moffat. As far as Sherlock goes, there was nothing to blame anyone for... it was brilliant!
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Post by elkawho on Jan 26, 2017 13:58:54 GMT
Everyone likes to blame everything on Moffat. As far as Sherlock goes, there was nothing to blame anyone for... it was brilliant! I agree, for the most part. I wasn't stating that I blamed him for anything. Moriarty stayed dead, and I was completely wrong for not trusting the story they were telling.
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Post by Ela on Feb 10, 2017 22:26:18 GMT
I did re-watch this a week after the first time I watched, and I found I enjoyed it more the second time around. It didn't have the suspense of the first watching, obviously, and the thoughts I expressed about it after first watching still stand.
I wonder if there'll be anymore?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2017 14:33:29 GMT
I wonder if there'll be anymore? I hope there won't be. Sherlock was great, but for me that was the perfect way to end it.
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Post by Ela on Feb 12, 2017 5:30:02 GMT
I wonder if there'll be anymore? I hope there won't be. Sherlock was great, but for me that was the perfect way to end it. I found the ending kind of a letdown, honestly. But it did seem like a definite end.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 0:21:49 GMT
Were they actually having an affair? I read it as just being the secret texting and he stopped that before it could go further. He was enjoying having a secret of his own - a release valve away from the two people he's closest to who BOTH dominate him. And then he realised he had to rein himself in in case things progressed. Did I miss something saying they were sleeping together?
Also: as much as John loved Mary, it wasn't exactly the healthiest relationship in the world. Their relationship was founded on lies and deception - and even though John did forgive her for it, he could never ever fully forget, either. Throw in the fact that she kept secrets from him and with a newborn baby, I can see how it all weighed on him and he'd be tempted and wanted something simpler. I'm not saying I'm excusing his actions, but they were understandable and human.
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