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Post by ulyssessarcher on Feb 17, 2017 10:00:36 GMT
You were right! I checked it out, I had never watched that left leaning show for a reason, just goes to show, most left wing comedy has no morals at all. Like I said, that's disgusting. Your more disgusted at a show that uses that as a joke than you are at Donald Trump for saying that what he and his daughter share is "sex" and that he would "date" her "if she wasn't my daughter"? A joke about that is more disgusting than the thing itself? I'll admit it. I had no idea Trump had said that before this thread, ive spent a couple of hours readin up on it. I stand by my post. It's disgusting. Trump sayin it, even moreso than jokes bein made bout it, but all around, its just disgusting. I'll say this, if Trump's daughter had been under age, and he made a statement like that, you can bet, id suggest he need a bullet in his head. Now, I don't like Trump, I wouldn't invite him over for dinner, Hell, I wouldn't even sit down and have a beer with him, but he is getting results, and that I do like. Coarse I loathe my Governor, I used to work for him, but he is getting it right in this state. I heckled Phil Roe at an Astros game, told him to go back to Washington and actually do somethin, and at one time or another, I voted for all 3 of them. And if Trump keeps the majority of his campaign promises, ill vote for him again, unless someone better runs against him.
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Post by sherlock on Feb 17, 2017 10:16:21 GMT
So why do military-grade weapons need to be on sale if all people use them for is self-defence and occasional hunting? If they would go on sale I would buy one. But I aint spendin that much money on a gun, not while I got BF cd's to buy. Ive asked the same question, I am a card carryin member of the NRA. As it was explained to me, was basically, there are those who like to shoot those guns, some of those are used in high dollar competitions(with high dollar prizes), and just because some people can. Just because I don't have one for self-defence doesn't mean other folks might not have one. But turning a semi automatic into a functioning automatic is fairly easy. I don't own an automatic, doesn't mean I don't want one. So it's ok for military grade weapons to be on the open market because a few people might want to buy one for sport, despite the fact that almost every massacre involves military grade weapons.
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Post by sherlock on Feb 17, 2017 10:20:40 GMT
One thing I love about Americans is that they think they have a right and left party's. .. They have a right and a very right. And those parties spend all their time hindering each other rather than debating whilst their supporters just yell at each other. Actual debate isn't a thing in American politics, especially now when any inconvenient fact is 'fake news'.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Feb 17, 2017 11:35:18 GMT
If they would go on sale I would buy one. But I aint spendin that much money on a gun, not while I got BF cd's to buy. Ive asked the same question, I am a card carryin member of the NRA. As it was explained to me, was basically, there are those who like to shoot those guns, some of those are used in high dollar competitions(with high dollar prizes), and just because some people can. Just because I don't have one for self-defence doesn't mean other folks might not have one. But turning a semi automatic into a functioning automatic is fairly easy. I don't own an automatic, doesn't mean I don't want one. So it's ok for military grade weapons to be on the open market because a few people might want to buy one for sport, despite the fact that almost every massacre involves military grade weapons. You lost me at 'sport'
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Post by sherlock on Feb 17, 2017 11:53:50 GMT
So it's ok for military grade weapons to be on the open market because a few people might want to buy one for sport, despite the fact that almost every massacre involves military grade weapons. You lost me at 'sport' Tbh the idea of using guns for competitions is lost on me too. I really don't get America's obsession with guns.
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Post by theotherjosh on Feb 17, 2017 12:03:54 GMT
One thing I love about Americans is that they think they have a right and left party's. .. They have a right and a very right. And those parties spend all their time hindering each other rather than debating whilst their supporters just yell at each other. Actual debate isn't a thing in American politics, especially now when any inconvenient fact is 'fake news'. Heh. If anything, I think you're being too kind to us. It's more like Congressional Democrat: I don't support the Republican plan to drill for oil in Teddy Rosevelt's head, but I'm going to vote for it anyway! Maybe then, Republicans will stop saying mean things about me!
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Post by theotherjosh on Feb 17, 2017 13:42:41 GMT
Guns save lives, it's just a fact. Oh, they’re facts, are they? Why didn’t you say so! Thank you Lucy! This has been very illuminating. From “You’re a Good Man, Charlie Brown”, Little Known Facts LUCY Do you see this tree? it is a Fur tree. It's called a Fur tree because it gives us fur, For coats, It also gives us wool in the wintertime. LINUS I never knew that before, Lucy. That's very interesting. LUCY This is an elm tree. It's very little. But it will grow up into a giant tree, An oak. You can tell how old it is by counting its leaves. LINUS Gosh, Lucy, that's amazing. CHARLIE BROWN Now wait a minute, Lucy. I don't mean to interfere, but- LUCY And way up there, Those fluffy little white things, Those are clouds, They make the wind blow. And way down there, Those tiny little black things, Those are bugs, They make the grass grow. LINUS Is that so? LUCY That's right. They run around all day long, tugging and tugging at each tiny seedling until it grows into a great tall blade of grass. LINUS Boy, that's amazing! CHARLIE BROWN Oh, good grief. LUCY And this thing here. It's called a hydrant. They grow all over, And no one seems to know Just how A little thing like that Gives so much water. Ahem. I do enjoy a Whack-A-Mole when I take my daughter to the arcade, but it usually pays out some tickets at the end. The only thing I get here is higher blood pressure. It’s pointless to engage you. It takes me ten minutes to rebut these garbage talking points and it takes you five seconds to copy/paste them. You're not here to engage, or to do us a public service by offering an alternative point of view to our echo chamber. Also, Other than suicide's I don't know anyone personally who has been killed by a projectile fired from a gun. Ummm…so…those just don’t count?
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Post by sherlock on Feb 17, 2017 14:10:20 GMT
And those parties spend all their time hindering each other rather than debating whilst their supporters just yell at each other. Actual debate isn't a thing in American politics, especially now when any inconvenient fact is 'fake news'. Heh. If anything, I think you're being too kind to us. It's more like Congressional Democrat: I don't support the Republican plan to drill for oil in Teddy Rosevelt's head, but I'm going to vote for it anyway! Maybe then, Republicans will stop saying mean things about me! American politics works well to put British politics in perspective, when there's a major political problem we can just look across the pond and see compared to whatever's going on there our problems ain't so bad. E.g. The British electoral system is dodgy, maybe we should reform it? *Trump wins presidency despite losing by 2 million votes due to American electoral system* You know suddenly our one's flaws don't seem so bad in comparison.
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Post by theotherjosh on Feb 17, 2017 14:19:43 GMT
Heh. If anything, I think you're being too kind to us. It's more like Congressional Democrat: I don't support the Republican plan to drill for oil in Teddy Rosevelt's head, but I'm going to vote for it anyway! Maybe then, Republicans will stop saying mean things about me! American politics works well to put British politics in perspective, when there's a major political problem we can just look across the pond and see compared to whatever's going on there our problems ain't so bad. E.g. The British electoral system is dodgy, maybe we should reform it? *Trump wins presidency despite losing by 2 million votes due to American electoral system* You know suddenly our one's flaws don't seem so bad in comparison. You're welcome!
(I think)
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Post by icecreamdf on Feb 17, 2017 14:55:09 GMT
Your more disgusted at a show that uses that as a joke than you are at Donald Trump for saying that what he and his daughter share is "sex" and that he would "date" her "if she wasn't my daughter"? A joke about that is more disgusting than the thing itself? I'll admit it. I had no idea Trump had said that before this thread, ive spent a couple of hours readin up on it. I stand by my post. It's disgusting. Trump sayin it, even moreso than jokes bein made bout it, but all around, its just disgusting. I'll say this, if Trump's daughter had been under age, and he made a statement like that, you can bet, id suggest he need a bullet in his head. The Daily Show also showed a clip of him seeing creepy things about Tiffany. When she was an infant. Is that underage enough for you?
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Post by fingersmash on Feb 17, 2017 15:53:08 GMT
This gun debate brings to mind a plan that could actually work and fits as a steady compromise. Treat gun licenses like drivers licenses. Grade them like you would grade a drivers license (motorcycle, large truck, etc) and make the higher grades more difficult to get. Take a written exam, if you pass you get a permit, require a certain number of hours of training with a professional at a gun range, take a formal exam, if you pass you get your license. Involve heavy mental wellness tests into the process of getting a gun permit. Leave military grade firearms out of the market: if you want to shoot a military grade weapon, join the military and do some good while you shoot. Add a grandfather clause in so people currently owning military grade weapons can either keep them or turn them in for fair market value. If someone goes to a gun show, they need an already valid permit/license to buy a gun and by law have an area set up at the front of the venue to be able to take the permit and mental exams and a training area so they can started on the training in a safe and professional environment.
It makes sense. It makes dangerous weapons (because that's what they are anyway you cut it) difficult to get, but doesn't infringe on any 2nd Amendment rights (which were written very vague and without foreknowledge of what military grade weaponry's power would be). It ain't gonna make everyone happy but it'll work. I'll rest my case there.
Also, going off of yesterday's press conference, Trump is a halfwit and I eagerly await to follow the inevitable impeachment trial very, very, very closely.
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Post by icecreamdf on Feb 17, 2017 16:32:49 GMT
This gun debate brings to mind a plan that could actually work and fits as a steady compromise. Treat gun licenses like drivers licenses. Grade them like you would grade a drivers license (motorcycle, large truck, etc) and make the higher grades more difficult to get. Take a written exam, if you pass you get a permit, require a certain number of hours of training with a professional at a gun range, take a formal exam, if you pass you get your license. Involve heavy mental wellness tests into the process of getting a gun permit. Leave military grade firearms out of the market: if you want to shoot a military grade weapon, join the military and do some good while you shoot. Add a grandfather clause in so people currently owning military grade weapons can either keep them or turn them in for fair market value. If someone goes to a gun show, they need an already valid permit/license to buy a gun and by law have an area set up at the front of the venue to be able to take the permit and mental exams and a training area so they can started on the training in a safe and professional environment. It makes sense. It makes dangerous weapons (because that's what they are anyway you cut it) difficult to get, but doesn't infringe on any 2nd Amendment rights (which were written very vague and without foreknowledge of what military grade weaponry's power would be). It ain't gonna make everyone happy but it'll work. I'll rest my case there. Also, going off of yesterday's press conference, Trump is a halfwit and I eagerly await to follow the inevitable impeachment trial very, very, very closely. That is the kind of reasonable compromise that I can support. Unfortuanetly, it is in the NRA's interests to let any idiot own a gun.
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Post by sherlock on Feb 17, 2017 16:37:49 GMT
This gun debate brings to mind a plan that could actually work and fits as a steady compromise. Treat gun licenses like drivers licenses. Grade them like you would grade a drivers license (motorcycle, large truck, etc) and make the higher grades more difficult to get. Take a written exam, if you pass you get a permit, require a certain number of hours of training with a professional at a gun range, take a formal exam, if you pass you get your license. Involve heavy mental wellness tests into the process of getting a gun permit. Leave military grade firearms out of the market: if you want to shoot a military grade weapon, join the military and do some good while you shoot. Add a grandfather clause in so people currently owning military grade weapons can either keep them or turn them in for fair market value. If someone goes to a gun show, they need an already valid permit/license to buy a gun and by law have an area set up at the front of the venue to be able to take the permit and mental exams and a training area so they can started on the training in a safe and professional environment. It makes sense. It makes dangerous weapons (because that's what they are anyway you cut it) difficult to get, but doesn't infringe on any 2nd Amendment rights (which were written very vague and without foreknowledge of what military grade weaponry's power would be). It ain't gonna make everyone happy but it'll work. I'll rest my case there. Also, going off of yesterday's press conference, Trump is a halfwit and I eagerly await to follow the inevitable impeachment trial very, very, very closely. Vaguely similar to UK system. Here to own a gun you need to apply for a licence and obtain a secure cabinet to keep it in. Oddly enough we haven't had a massacre since 2010, and the one before that was 1996. You only just got he's a halfwit from yesterday? It's just bizarre how Trump handles the press.
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Post by fingersmash on Feb 17, 2017 17:00:54 GMT
This gun debate brings to mind a plan that could actually work and fits as a steady compromise. Treat gun licenses like drivers licenses. Grade them like you would grade a drivers license (motorcycle, large truck, etc) and make the higher grades more difficult to get. Take a written exam, if you pass you get a permit, require a certain number of hours of training with a professional at a gun range, take a formal exam, if you pass you get your license. Involve heavy mental wellness tests into the process of getting a gun permit. Leave military grade firearms out of the market: if you want to shoot a military grade weapon, join the military and do some good while you shoot. Add a grandfather clause in so people currently owning military grade weapons can either keep them or turn them in for fair market value. If someone goes to a gun show, they need an already valid permit/license to buy a gun and by law have an area set up at the front of the venue to be able to take the permit and mental exams and a training area so they can started on the training in a safe and professional environment. It makes sense. It makes dangerous weapons (because that's what they are anyway you cut it) difficult to get, but doesn't infringe on any 2nd Amendment rights (which were written very vague and without foreknowledge of what military grade weaponry's power would be). It ain't gonna make everyone happy but it'll work. I'll rest my case there. Also, going off of yesterday's press conference, Trump is a halfwit and I eagerly await to follow the inevitable impeachment trial very, very, very closely. Vaguely similar to UK system. Here to own a gun you need to apply for a licence and obtain a secure cabinet to keep it in. Oddly enough we haven't had a massacre since 2010, and the one before that was 1996. You only just got he's a halfwit from yesterday? It's just bizarre how Trump handles the press. I was a Bernie Boy from Day 1. I was just glad to get be all, end all confirmation of the fact.
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Post by icecreamdf on Feb 17, 2017 17:02:43 GMT
Vaguely similar to UK system. Here to own a gun you need to apply for a licence and obtain a secure cabinet to keep it in. Oddly enough we haven't had a massacre since 2010, and the one before that was 1996. You only just got he's a halfwit from yesterday? It's just bizarre how Trump handles the press. I was a Bernie Boy from Day 1. I was just glad to get be all, end all confirmation of the fact. I voted for him in the primaries, but I was still happy to support Hillary during the general election.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Feb 17, 2017 18:02:01 GMT
If they would go on sale I would buy one. But I aint spendin that much money on a gun, not while I got BF cd's to buy. Ive asked the same question, I am a card carryin member of the NRA. As it was explained to me, was basically, there are those who like to shoot those guns, some of those are used in high dollar competitions(with high dollar prizes), and just because some people can. Just because I don't have one for self-defence doesn't mean other folks might not have one. But turning a semi automatic into a functioning automatic is fairly easy. I don't own an automatic, doesn't mean I don't want one. So it's ok for military grade weapons to be on the open market because a few people might want to buy one for sport, despite the fact that almost every massacre involves military grade weapons. Yes. However, if the government passed a law about military grade weapons being made period. There would be no guns to sell, would there? Not that they ever will. Takin a gun away from a madman, still doesn't stop him from bein a madman, and if someone wants to kill others, there are other ways to kill a lot of people. But if a person with a gun is there to oppose the madman, the chances of his killing many are greatly reduced.
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Post by fingersmash on Feb 17, 2017 18:03:25 GMT
I was a Bernie Boy from Day 1. I was just glad to get be all, end all confirmation of the fact. I voted for him in the primaries, but I was still happy to support Hillary during the general election. I was a very reluctant Hillary supporter. I stand by the opinion that had Bernie won the primaries, we'd be saying President Sanders rather than President Trump and be talking about more important things than fake news that's actually just facts that people don't like.
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Post by barnabaslives on Feb 17, 2017 18:04:27 GMT
I really don't get America's obsession with guns. I don't get children's obsession with chewing gum but someone in marketing knows how to nurture it and someone in manufacturing caters to it and there you have it. I'm afraid the entertainment industry may have inadvertently served as advertising for the weapons market for some time now and it probably just gets increasingly worse. Perhaps you guys are slightly less impressionable over there and can watch cowboy movies and Rambo without actually feeling the urge to shop for armaments? (Good thing I watched Doctor Who instead, I'd just disengage an assailant's main power coupling or do something clever to them with a teaspoon). We also have that 2nd amendment thing written way back when the people had any prayer of discouraging abuse of our military by being comparably armed (I suppose that's maybe something gun owners try to fall back on sometimes when pressured, I'm not sure it means as much in the original context anymore). I can see the sense of wanting to own a firearm for purposes of self-defense until the American frontier here becomes more civilized, but I'd still probably be in favor of banning anything that's excessive in that area. I'm guessing we can probably get by somehow without senior citizens, children, and other particularly vulnerable persons all owning assault rifles? (Frankly, if granny is man enough to take on the burglars with just a pistol and six rounds, so am I).
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Feb 17, 2017 18:51:02 GMT
One thing I love about Americans is that they think they have a right and left party's. .. They have a right and a very right. And those parties spend all their time hindering each other rather than debating whilst their supporters just yell at each other. Actual debate isn't a thing in American politics, especially now when any inconvenient fact is 'fake news'. No, debate walked out of America bout 10 years ago now.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Feb 17, 2017 18:53:41 GMT
Tbh the idea of using guns for competitions is lost on me too. I really don't get America's obsession with guns. well, no offence, but y'all never learned how to use em right. We did whoop y'all twice.
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