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Post by constonks on Feb 23, 2017 23:11:48 GMT
Since the departure of Erimem, we've had seven Fifth Doctor stories without Nyssa and only ONE trilogy without her (in 2009!). Sarah Sutton's great and all but can the Fifth Doctor have another original companion? I know it's hard to find a timeline slot, but still...
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Post by omega on Feb 24, 2017 4:15:47 GMT
Since the departure of Erimem, we've had seven Fifth Doctor stories without Nyssa and only ONE trilogy without her (in 2009!). Sarah Sutton's great and all but can the Fifth Doctor have another original companion? I know it's hard to find a timeline slot, but still... Maybe the Fifth Doctor can drop her off at a biology conference and end up with a new companion for a few stories. The audio story Davros takes place while the Sixth Doctor is travelling with Peri, and the Doctor says he's left her a botany conference or something like that. There's already a gap that takes place just after Arc of Infinity (at the very end of Waters of Amsterdam to be precise) where the Doctor lets Nyssa and Tegan spend some time there while he goes through Omega and The Burning Prince. A single trilogy companion could fit in there. |
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Post by mark687 on Mar 6, 2017 15:04:31 GMT
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Post by Bazoolium on Mar 8, 2017 1:00:56 GMT
I hope this isn't another Nyssa is possessed story or that she is separated from the Doctor near the start. Nyssa and the Doctor are much more fun when they are playing off each other.
EDIT: Also, Davison sounds decidedly bored in the trailer.
I can't think of a Stephen Cole story I have enjoyed.
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Post by omega on Mar 8, 2017 5:50:51 GMT
I hope this isn't another Nyssa is possessed story or that she is separated from the Doctor near the start. Nyssa and the Doctor are much more fun when they are playing off each other. EDIT: Also, Davison sounds decidedly bored in the trailer. I can't think of a Stephen Cole story I have enjoyed. He also sounded bored in Mistfall, where a cliffhanger was very muted because of his delivery. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 6:28:15 GMT
Since the departure of Erimem, we've had seven Fifth Doctor stories without Nyssa and only ONE trilogy without her (in 2009!). Sarah Sutton's great and all but can the Fifth Doctor have another original companion? I know it's hard to find a timeline slot, but still... Actually, nowadays it's harder to find one for the First Doctor than the Fifth. There are nice little gaps between: - The Waters of Amsterdam and The Elite;
- After The Awakening when he's taking Will back home with Jane Hampton tagging along for the ride;
- In between The Kingmaker and Son of the Dragon, and finally;
- One following The Chaos Pool sometime prior to The Caves of Androzani.
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Post by number13 on Mar 8, 2017 10:36:18 GMT
I hope this isn't another Nyssa is possessed story or that she is separated from the Doctor near the start. Nyssa and the Doctor are much more fun when they are playing off each other. EDIT: Also, Davison sounds decidedly bored in the trailer. I can't think of a Stephen Cole story I have enjoyed. He also sounded bored in Mistfall, where a cliffhanger was very muted because of his delivery. I agree about the muted cliffhanger, but I thought the cause was technical rather than artistic - in the 'outdoor' scenes like that cliffhanger some characters (including the Doctor) sounded noticeably quiet when compared with the background sounds. This didn't happen for the 'indoor' scenes in the base or the caves. |
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Post by constonks on Mar 8, 2017 13:22:36 GMT
Since the departure of Erimem, we've had seven Fifth Doctor stories without Nyssa and only ONE trilogy without her (in 2009!). Sarah Sutton's great and all but can the Fifth Doctor have another original companion? I know it's hard to find a timeline slot, but still... Actually, nowadays it's harder to find one for the First Doctor than the Fifth. There are nice little gaps between: - The Waters of Amsterdam and The Elite;
- After The Awakening when he's taking Will back home with Jane Hampton tagging along for the ride;
- In between The Kingmaker and Son of the Dragon, and finally;
- One following The Chaos Pool sometime prior to The Caves of Androzani.
I know the gaps - It's just that all four gaps are detours that got sidetracked so there's a point where stretching them out might strain credibility. Especially cause the Amsterdam and Key 2 Time gap stories have companions abandoned without knowledge of when the Doctor is returning - so he should really be trying to get back ASAP. The Veiled Leopard and The Awakening have the Doctor's companions in a safe normal environment though, so I'm sure he'd be in no rush to come back. (And yes I recognise he has a time machine but he still hurries through time if he thinks someone is in danger) Although, if the Eighth Doctor left Sam at a Greenpeace rally for three years... |
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Post by bobod on Mar 8, 2017 13:49:31 GMT
We're never actually told T&T didn't go with them, are we?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 14:03:21 GMT
Actually, nowadays it's harder to find one for the First Doctor than the Fifth. There are nice little gaps between: - The Waters of Amsterdam and The Elite;
- After The Awakening when he's taking Will back home with Jane Hampton tagging along for the ride;
- In between The Kingmaker and Son of the Dragon, and finally;
- One following The Chaos Pool sometime prior to The Caves of Androzani.
I know the gaps - It's just that all four gaps are detours that got sidetracked so there's a point where stretching them out might strain credibility. Especially cause the Amsterdam and Key 2 Time gap stories have companions abandoned without knowledge of when the Doctor is returning - so he should really be trying to get back ASAP. The Veiled Leopard and The Awakening have the Doctor's companions in a safe normal environment though, so I'm sure he'd be in no rush to come back. (And yes I recognise he has a time machine but he still hurries through time if he thinks someone is in danger) Although, if the Eighth Doctor left Sam at a Greenpeace rally for three years... Yeah, although I have to admit that the Key 2 Time gap possibly transforms Peri's "makes a change from lava" line in The Caves of Androzani from a (now out-of-place) reference to Planet of Fire into another molten world where she may have been stuck for a time thanks to the Doctor's quest. |
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Post by mrperson on Mar 9, 2017 20:49:09 GMT
As a one-off for this year's multi-Doctor sequence, two-parters are something different and different is good if the stories are good. (And I expect they will be.) BUT I'd be much less relaxed if I thought this was 'focus group' testing of two-part stories for Five, Six and Seven with the eventual aim of this being the standard format once the move to box sets happens. And what's more, a focus group where we are paying to be part of the group!! For me, 'Doctor Who' works best in the traditional longer formats, with four-parters usually being the happy medium between enough time for plot and character development and a story running out of steam. But with the right story, six-parters work superbly: The Ghosts of Gralstead and The Foe From The Future are two of my favourites and it's a rare two-parter that can leave such strong impressions. Yeah, I REALLY do not want to see the main range go to all 1h two-parters. But if it's just a run of three monthly releases.....eh...we'll see. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 8:10:46 GMT
As a one-off for this year's multi-Doctor sequence, two-parters are something different and different is good if the stories are good. (And I expect they will be.) BUT I'd be much less relaxed if I thought this was 'focus group' testing of two-part stories for Five, Six and Seven with the eventual aim of this being the standard format once the move to box sets happens. And what's more, a focus group where we are paying to be part of the group!! For me, 'Doctor Who' works best in the traditional longer formats, with four-parters usually being the happy medium between enough time for plot and character development and a story running out of steam. But with the right story, six-parters work superbly: The Ghosts of Gralstead and The Foe From The Future are two of my favourites and it's a rare two-parter that can leave such strong impressions. Yeah, I REALLY do not want to see the main range go to all 1h two-parters. But if it's just a run of three monthly releases.....eh...we'll see. That was my fear initially as well. It's certainly a nice change of pace, but if it's supposed to be a trial run for a permanent switch... Eek. I would not enjoy the main range like that, I do not like the shorter format. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 11:11:12 GMT
Yeah, I REALLY do not want to see the main range go to all 1h two-parters. But if it's just a run of three monthly releases.....eh...we'll see. It's certainly a nice change of pace, but if it's supposed to be a trial run for a permanent switch... Eek. I would not enjoy the main range like that, I do not like the shorter format. I wouldn't enjoy the Main Range like that either, but a bit of variety mixing the format up a bit every now and again is fine. These releases are an interesting change of pace, I am looking forward to them. |
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Post by Tim Bradley on Mar 11, 2017 10:04:28 GMT
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Post by elkawho on Mar 12, 2017 4:46:00 GMT
I'm looking forward to these. I love it when BF shakes this up and plays with the format.
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Post by mark687 on Apr 9, 2017 15:57:33 GMT
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Post by sailorhaumea on Apr 9, 2017 16:26:41 GMT
Oh dear...
On the one hand, this seems intriguing.
But at the same time...Stephen Cole is writing the first part.
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Post by Bazoolium on Apr 9, 2017 16:34:48 GMT
Oh dear... On the one hand, this seems intriguing. But at the same time...Stephen Cole is writing the first part. Cole has written a lot of 5th Doctor stuff and it's all been 'fine'. I liked his New Series books when I read them though. |
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Post by barnabaslives on Apr 9, 2017 19:54:36 GMT
Not at all worried about Stephen Cole writing, in fact he's credited with writing my favorite story from the Gallifrey series, Spirit, among other things. No complaints spring to mind except that I still struggle a little with the continuity of Kiss of Death, but that wouldn't really be Cole's fault if sooner or later it's up to the individual fan to smooth out continuity to their own liking, and it could well be due to my own ignorance of continuity anyway. Going to be a fun week at Big Finish coming up, most likely.
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Post by sailorhaumea on Apr 9, 2017 20:12:50 GMT
Not at all worried about Stephen Cole writing, in fact he's credited with writing my favorite story from the Gallifrey series, Spirit, among other things. No complaints spring to mind except that I still struggle a little with the continuity of Kiss of Death, but that wouldn't really be Cole's fault if sooner or later it's up to the individual fan to smooth out continuity to their own liking, and it could well be due to my own ignorance of continuity anyway. Going to be a fun week at Big Finish coming up, most likely. is insultingly bad. Its crimes include: 1. Making Gallifrey be utterly boring - really? Spoiled rich kids? 2. Completely getting the Faction wrong - they behave nothing like how they do in other works! 3. Trying and failing to negate the War. If "Grandfather Paradox" came from the future relative to the Doctor, if he cut his arm off out of shame over destroying Gallifrey, that means that the War still happens. The fact that he cut his arm off means that the War hasn't been averted - otherwise, how is he there? 4. Somehow the TARDIS is "persevering" the Metebelis timeline - even though it naturally leads to the Dust timeline. Just. What. 5. Above all else, it's a novel that isn't skippable in the narrative unless you start with The Burning. You can understand the overall plot of the early EDAs if you skip War of the Daleks, for instance. But if you're going through the War arc, you can't skip The Ancestor Cell without being confused. Basically... The Ancestor Cell is the Timewyrm: Genesys of the EDAs. It's something that's bad, but you can't skip it without missing something important. |
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