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Post by elkawho on Oct 20, 2015 3:29:55 GMT
I wonder what the Doctor tried to subconsciously remind himself of when he took on Maxil's face, then? I was thinking exactly the same things.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2015 4:12:51 GMT
I wonder what the Doctor tried to subconsciously remind himself of when he took on Maxil's face, then? I was thinking exactly the same things. I've had that conversation somewhere else, possibly on GB. The theory is that he was rebelling against fives perceived softness and choosing a face seen as authoritative and aggressive, which suited the early six personality. This theory opens up so many possibilities. i can just see Rose making 9 watch casanova and 9 making note of how much she fancied the lead actor
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Post by mrperson on Oct 20, 2015 14:29:21 GMT
It was generally solid, but...
The wife and I were rolling our eyes at the baby speech, though. It felt forced, and I can't suspend my disbelief enough to accept infants waxing poetic anyway.
We could have also done without that extended scene designed to represent virtual immortality. Seemed really out of place for the show. (Speaking of which, the spur of the moment to grant someone almost-immortality seemed out of character, as well).
Finally, I'm now drowning in foreshadowing, so they really had better make Clara's exit a death. And not the Moffatt kind of death. Actually truly in fact in reality dead. Actually.
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Post by Ela on Oct 20, 2015 16:28:28 GMT
Totally disagree. A companion dying is never a good thing.
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Post by mrperson on Oct 20, 2015 17:15:46 GMT
Totally disagree. A companion dying is never a good thing. Perhaps not good in its own right...but.... For one thing, I think that suspenseful situations are a lot harder to pull off if the audience can rest assured that none of the major characters are ever truly at risk. When the original series killed off Adric, those situations were a lot more plausible. For another, they are really pushing the foreshadowing re: Clara. I feel as if there have been lines/speeches about the Doctor losing someone he cannot stand to lose in each part of the two-parters, and then again in this one. Further, they're playing up Clara's risk taking. If they're not building up to her death, I don't know what. I'm open to it as long as it remains rare indeed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2015 18:48:06 GMT
The problem is that after all capaldi's agonising about loss he's going to be even worse than eleven in the snowmen. I've enough problems with moody angst-ridden teenagers. dw is supposed to be fun
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Post by Timelord007 on Oct 21, 2015 7:46:57 GMT
I'm still in the dark about why the Doctor chose that face?
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Post by mrperson on Oct 21, 2015 14:56:01 GMT
I'm still in the dark about why the Doctor chose that face? The consensus seems to be that it was to remind himself that he can bend the rules to save a person here and there, hence the clip of Donna badgering Ten into saving Lucius Caecilius's family. Possible related interpretation: to also always keep someone with him for the purpose of badgering him into saving people when he would otherwise be cold. ( However, nothing was said on the subject of why Amy "chose" to have the soothsayer's face when she returned as Eleven's companion ).
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Post by icecreamdf on Oct 22, 2015 0:18:11 GMT
He was reminding himself that politeness is overrated, and it doesn't hurt to be rude and occasionally hurt people.
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Post by icecreamdf on Oct 22, 2015 1:43:41 GMT
So, does anyone have any guesses as to what this hybrid that keeps coming up is? Ashildr is the second reference to that we've gotten this season, and Davros implied that it had something to do with the Doctor leaving Gallifrey.
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Post by elkawho on Oct 22, 2015 3:03:13 GMT
So, does anyone have any guesses as to what this hybrid that keeps coming up is? Ashildr is the second reference to that we've gotten this season, and Davros implied that it had something to do with the Doctor leaving Gallifrey. I really hope not. Why does Moffat feel like he has to explain every mystery in Doctor Who?
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Post by icecreamdf on Oct 22, 2015 3:50:56 GMT
Well, he might just do what he did with his name, and have the resolution be that it isn't actually important. BF also seems to be foreshadowing that there were complicated reasons for the Doctor leaving Gallifrey. Cardinal Padrac mentioned that the Doctor being bored was only part of the reason. As long as Moffat does a good job of solving the mystery, I have no complaints.
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Post by shutupbanks on Oct 22, 2015 12:27:19 GMT
Bit late to the party here: modem issues the last couple days.
Aren't Viking horns canonical, according to The Time Meddler? It's that "space helmet for a cow" line, I'm thinking of. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Really enjoyed this but the pattern I'm seeing this series is that the episodes start and end great but there's a large section of faffing around in the middle that doesn't really appear to go anywhere. I'm also missing adventures where the Doctor turns up, does stuff and then leaves with people thanking him for his help. The angst and hyperbole is getting a bit too much for me...but it's a new series thing, I'm afraid...
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Post by icecreamdf on Oct 22, 2015 14:54:00 GMT
I was really hoping the "space helmet for a cow" line would be referenced in this episode.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Oct 22, 2015 16:38:10 GMT
I wonder what the Doctor tried to subconsciously remind himself of when he took on Maxil's face, then? I was thinking exactly the same things. Still think Colin Baker should make a surprise return as an older Maxil. I'd love that.
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Post by mrperson on Oct 22, 2015 21:15:48 GMT
Well, I watched it again and liked it more this time around. But one thing grated on me more: The angst and hyperbole is getting a bit too much for me. This. It feels bizarrely out of place to me, just like last year's "am I a good man" theme. If there was ever a time to explore that, it would be between the end of the Time War and Day of the Doctor. It made no sense to me that he's suddenly wondering whether he's a good man after spending what he had no reason to doubt were the last several hundred years of his life defending a planet from invasion and the universe from a return of the Time Lords. And as to angst, it simply feels a tad overplayed lately. He's always expressed some degree of sorrow at others' deaths, but he comes off as an angsty/emo teenager at times lately. Doesn't feel right for someone who has always otherwise been presented as somehat aloof to human emotions, especially so since this regeneration was determinedly presented as being more aloof than others...
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Post by mrperson on Oct 22, 2015 21:20:14 GMT
So, does anyone have any guesses as to what this hybrid that keeps coming up is? Ashildr is the second reference to that we've gotten this season, and Davros implied that it had something to do with the Doctor leaving Gallifrey. I really hope not. Why does Moffat feel like he has to explain every mystery in Doctor Who? He seems to think that the show should be about itself rather than about the Doctor & crew interacting with various societies/entities around the universe. So, he makes the mysteries about the former rather than latter.
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Post by hackmodford on Oct 24, 2015 2:40:53 GMT
I didn't care for it that much. They really need to get a science consultant. Electric Eels? Come on...
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Post by icecreamdf on Oct 24, 2015 14:48:14 GMT
The best episodes of Doctor Who don't worry themselves with actual science.
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Post by hackmodford on Oct 24, 2015 16:02:19 GMT
But at some point it's just embarrassing. Remember Kill the Moon? One can create good stories and have sound science...
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