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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Feb 22, 2017 23:38:46 GMT
If the BBC decide not to renew Class, I wonder if we might get series 2 through Big Finish instead?
It would be nice if the series was at least given the chance to solve the Weeping Angel cliffhanger.
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Post by omega on Feb 23, 2017 4:22:56 GMT
There'd need to be a market for it in order for Big Finish to even consider the possibility. If the BBC do cancel it due to low interest, there isn't going to be the market for the audios.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 5:37:49 GMT
There were 3 Class novels released a few months ago - anyone heard how they were received or how well they sold? While I'm not sure BF would even be interested in Class anyway, they certainly would be even less likely to be if the show has already proven to not support ancillary products like books.
I've heard people say the TV ratings were bad...well, they were kinda supposed to be. The show only got on BBC1 as part of the BBC3 online switch which was that no new content would be online-only. So the show was obliged to get a BBC1 showing but no rules over what timeslot - hence the graveyard shift on a Monday night. Anyone who liked the show could have watched it all online before that broadcast and even the blurays came out before the TV run was even half-finished. The Beeb clearly weren't too fussed how Class did on BBC1. As to how it did online...it's such a new model for the I-Player to have first-run content that I suspect they don't know how successful (or otherwise)the show really was. There's little baseline, no precedents for measurements. Patrick Ness himself genuinely seems to have little idea how it's perceived by the higher ups. It's still to air in the US where it will be broadcast after the new eps of Doctor Who so I guess there are still metrics to measure on how it does there.
Speaking of Ness, he wrote the screenplay for the pretty amazing A Monster Calls film, based on his own novel. Well worth anyone's time. When you've seen it - google the young Scottish actor Lewis MacDougall who has the lead role and try not to be amazed that he was able to star in a role so close to home never mind do it so wonderfully.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Feb 23, 2017 12:52:39 GMT
There'd need to be a market for it in order for Big Finish to even consider the possibility. If the BBC do cancel it due to low interest, there isn't going to be the market for the audios. Some of Big Finish's ranges are quite niche though. Counter Measures wouldn't have much of an audience on TV, but on audio it makes sense because they're geared more towards us fans. I think that's one of the issues with Class - unless you're a diehard fan you won't know Coal Hill School's significance in Who history. On audio this wouldn't matter.
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Post by Whovitt on Feb 23, 2017 13:04:59 GMT
There'd need to be a market for it in order for Big Finish to even consider the possibility. If the BBC do cancel it due to low interest, there isn't going to be the market for the audios. Some of Big Finish's ranges are quite niche though. Counter Measures wouldn't have much of an audience on TV, but on audio it makes sense because they're geared more towards us fans. I think that's one of the issues with Class - unless you're a diehard fan you won't know Coal Hill School's significance in Who history. On audio this wouldn't matter. The 'significance' of Coal Hill in the show itself is almost negligible anyway... Apart from the "Oh, it's what causes the space/time cracks to appear" thing, it could be a completely different school, the Doctor needn't show up in Episode 1 (just have them solve the issue themselves) and the show needn't even be related to Doctor Who in the first place. Without this knowledge, as a casual viewer, it would make literally no difference! I swear, the only reason it is a Doctor Who related show is Patrick Ness probably wanted to write a story about Weeping Angels, and Steven Moffat/the BBC/whoever matters just said 'yes'. And besides, I get the feeling that, these days, you hardly need to be a 'die-hard' fan to know about Coal Hill. In recent years, I think it's probably started to become as iconic as the TARDIS (though obviously never to the same degree) to the show. I think Class suffers mostly in that it was related to Doctor Who in the first place. If the show had been made and marketed as its own original idea, people wouldn't be comparing it Doctor Who, Torchwood or The Sarah-Jane Adventures in terms of "This show isn't like the others" - it would have been sold to an audience with an uninfluenced, unbiased mindset. It's mainly for this reason that I don't think Class seems to have, or will have, done well, not least well enough to garner a second series (you would not believe just how surprised I'd be if a second series was commissioned...).
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Post by muckypup on Feb 23, 2017 13:53:37 GMT
i am not sure even BF would touch Class, or if even their magic touch could save this.
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Post by muckypup on Feb 23, 2017 14:09:10 GMT
There'd need to be a market for it in order for Big Finish to even consider the possibility. If the BBC do cancel it due to low interest, there isn't going to be the market for the audios. Some of Big Finish's ranges are quite niche though. Counter Measures wouldn't have much of an audience on TV, but on audio it makes sense because they're geared more towards us fans. I think that's one of the issues with Class - unless you're a diehard fan you won't know Coal Hill School's significance in Who history. On audio this wouldn't matter. the problem with Class is that it was written for a pre-teen audience, but got the commission from a teen-twenty channel so the pigeon hole the violence & gore in.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Feb 23, 2017 14:14:05 GMT
Some of Big Finish's ranges are quite niche though. Counter Measures wouldn't have much of an audience on TV, but on audio it makes sense because they're geared more towards us fans. I think that's one of the issues with Class - unless you're a diehard fan you won't know Coal Hill School's significance in Who history. On audio this wouldn't matter. And besides, I get the feeling that, these days, you hardly need to be a 'die-hard' fan to know about Coal Hill. In recent years, I think it's probably started to become as iconic as the TARDIS (though obviously never to the same degree) to the show. I don't agree there. I think most viewers will just see Coal Hill as just a random school in the show. I can't imagine many would be able to name it. It's definitely not iconic to anyone other than us Whovians. Yeah, that was a big problem it had. Class felt like its own show to me and any attempts to reference Doctor Who (or, indeed, 12's cameo) felt forced.
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Post by sherlock on Feb 23, 2017 15:24:30 GMT
Bit soon to contemplate audios I think. I'm doubtful there's much of an audience either as a lot of people seemed to just write Class off for not being Torchwood.
Class itself had potential and I on the whole enjoyed it, but I doubt it has much of a future unless it does well in the US.
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Post by barnabaslives on Feb 23, 2017 16:03:02 GMT
Never know, River & Winston each have their own series on Big Finish whereas they didn't even get a TV show. I'd guess BF would most likely make any Class audios a worthwhile, quality experience as with everything else, but at this point I can only guess that I'd like the series since I haven't had the luxury of seeing any episodes yet. Put me down as a definite maybe. :-)
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Feb 23, 2017 17:48:50 GMT
Never know, River & Winston each have their own series on Big Finish whereas they didn't even get a TV show. I'd guess BF would most likely make any Class audios a worthwhile, quality experience as with everything else, but at this point I can only guess that I'd like the series since I haven't had the luxury of seeing any episodes yet. Put me down as a definite maybe. :-) Although to play devil's advocate, it is worth noting that Winston Churchill is an iconic historic figure.
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Post by chrisscorkscrew on Feb 23, 2017 17:51:29 GMT
Some of Big Finish's ranges are quite niche though. Counter Measures wouldn't have much of an audience on TV, but on audio it makes sense because they're geared more towards us fans. I think that's one of the issues with Class - unless you're a diehard fan you won't know Coal Hill School's significance in Who history. On audio this wouldn't matter. the problem with Class is that it was written for a pre-teen audience, but got the commission from a teen-twenty channel so the pigeon hole the violence & gore in. I agree that Class is not one thing or another - it seemed all over the place to me and I gave up at Episode 3 in sheer frustration.
Perhaps if it's given a chance of another series, it might develop its own identity, but at present I don't know if there is enough there to carry an audio-only product.
Chriss C.
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Post by ollychops on Feb 23, 2017 18:03:20 GMT
I enjoyed the show for the most part and it has plenty of potential, especially after the finale, so I'd like to see BF doing their thing with it. If only a boxset or something to wrap up the cliffhangers, I'd be happy.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Feb 23, 2017 18:41:31 GMT
I enjoyed the show for the most part and it has plenty of potential, especially after the finale, so I'd like to see BF doing their thing with it. If only a boxset or something to wrap up the cliffhangers, I'd be happy. Yeah, just one box set would be nice.
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Post by aztec on Feb 23, 2017 19:04:44 GMT
BF's current Who license extends to 2025 and only covers up to the 11th Doctor, as Class features a guest appearance from the 12th Doctor presumably it would presumably be a few years before BF was willing/able to negotiate the rights to Class...that's assuming they even wanted to, whilst BF has several quite obscure Who spinoffs of its own they were built from the ground up, Class hasn't been that popular with audiences or critics (though it's too early to think about audios, we don't even know if it will get commissioned for a second series or not...I suppose it rests on BBC America viewing figures...) so has a lot of existing baggage if it is cancelled after one series it may simply have too much negative reception/too small an audience to be worth the time on BF's part , and its target audience isn't necessarily one likely to be interested in audio drama, I've not actually watched it myself but I wonder if the setting and format would be a bit limiting for audio drama? (not to mention the age of the actors/characters, a hypothetical audio series is probably five or six years away and the actors might be too old by that point to convincingly play the characters).
Give it a year for DVD sales and the international market to watch Series 1 and then we will have a clearer idea of how successful Class was.
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Post by aztec on Feb 23, 2017 19:08:11 GMT
On the other hand, were BF to eventually get the rights to the 12th Doctor, I suppose they could do a one off boxset picking up a few years after Class with the 12th Doctor checking up on the characters, could act as backdoor pilot for a semi-reboot of the series for a BF spinoff series.
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Post by muckypup on Feb 23, 2017 19:08:18 GMT
the problem with Class is that it was written for a pre-teen audience, but got the commission from a teen-twenty channel so the pigeon hole the violence & gore in. I agree that Class is not one thing or another - it seemed all over the place to me and I gave up at Episode 3 in sheer frustration.
Perhaps if it's given a chance of another series, it might develop its own identity, but at present I don't know if there is enough there to carry an audio-only product.
Chriss C.
Yeah early episodes were pretty bad, my big annoyance was if you are going to have an episode featuring a tattoo, for heavens sake don't have it washing of in a shower scene.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Feb 23, 2017 19:46:30 GMT
not to mention the age of the actors/characters, a hypothetical audio series is probably five or six years away and the actors might be too old by that point to convincingly play the characters). I don't think that's a problem with audio. People can realistically sound younger than they are.
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Post by aztec on Feb 23, 2017 19:51:46 GMT
not to mention the age of the actors/characters, a hypothetical audio series is probably five or six years away and the actors might be too old by that point to convincingly play the characters). I don't think that's a problem with audio. People can realistically sound younger than they are. Fair point, Peter Purves still sounds more or less like 60's Steven in The Companion Chronicles, though as there is only 8 episodes BF might have limited screencaps or publicity shots to choose from for front covers...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 19:52:39 GMT
Of the two episodes of Class that I watched online, I thought it was dreadful. But then again I am 51,so it obviously wasn't a TV programme aimed at me. Whether Big Finish should/could/would do Class audios is a matter for them and the BBC. However, I don't think they would appeal to me.
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