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Post by mark687 on Mar 28, 2017 21:25:19 GMT
Even so we were saying about the pitfalls of Ego the other day...
But on the other hand the Artistic Temperament and so on.
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I think he can take things very personally sometimes and it's easy to mis-read an objective review as criticism but it's certainly an unusual comment. I doubt he'll be putting any quotes from that review on the website lol. Cheers Tony Well he's already said that he won't, and it'll be the first in ages he hasn't .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 21:28:02 GMT
Thank you, mark687.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 21:30:09 GMT
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Post by kimalysong on Mar 28, 2017 21:46:13 GMT
I guess crappy may be a bit strong of a word choice but is it really necessary to tweet a review that isn't completely positive to the people who worked on it?
Like when I loved something I definitely let the people who worked on it know but if I thought it was bad or even just okay I may post my thoughts on here but I would never tweet them about it.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Mar 28, 2017 22:32:27 GMT
I don't think it is a especially well written review but it isn't overly critical either. "Crappy" is probably a tad harsh.
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Post by barnabaslives on Mar 29, 2017 1:19:23 GMT
I'm hoping that the future of the range isn't contingent on better sales than you might expect to result from a 7/10 rating. It worries me if I dwell on the fate of the Novel Adaptations. Haven't heard the new set yet but I'd already give it 9/10 because it has India in it. She really is amazing. I finally listened to the first box set yesterday and not even once did I think, "Oh, this would be better if only one of The Doctors would turn up".
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Post by Zagreus on Mar 29, 2017 2:17:37 GMT
Well, that's because Bertram's basically the Doctor, yeh? Renegade member of the omnipresent time & space faring race of, let's face it, doctors, that starts off calling her Charlie and has a bit of a personality, whereas the rest of them don't. Doesn't have a sonic screwdriver but that's because he doesn't need one, having the odd ability to manipulate doors and do other macguffins as necessary to the plot. In the first set, the prolixity acts as a TARDIS standin, allowing Charlie to get thrown through time and space, and in the second set Bertram's just integrated those powers into himself, acting as the group's TARDIS. He even regenerates, by way of more TARDIS proxy, changing form to fit in with the local races. He's an exile in time and space, on the run from his own people, and his connection to the prolixity now comes with a built-in handwavey reason for him and his companions turning up where there's trouble that needs sorting.
Having the Doctor show up would just be redundant, since we basically already have one on the cast.
edit: not that any of that is a bad thing, mind you.
edit 2: it brings to mind a review of the first set I read that described the Viyrans as both the Time Lords and the Daleks in one race, and yeah I can kind of see it.
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Post by seeley on Mar 29, 2017 3:01:23 GMT
I'm not sure what to make of Nick's reaction to said review. Personally, I found it clumsy and not overly helpful, but it was positive and he seems to have taken it personally.
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Post by Zagreus on Mar 29, 2017 3:33:18 GMT
Nick has taken less than glowing forum comments and less than 10/10 reviews poorly before. Nothing new here. I don't even think he means to come off as a bit harsh, just a poor choice of words.
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Post by Tony Jones on Mar 29, 2017 7:27:59 GMT
I don't think he'll like my review when it's out, judging by that!
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Post by barnabaslives on Mar 29, 2017 7:42:42 GMT
Having now finished the second set, I don't think the quality of either Charlotte set is any less than that of Big Finish's other box sets. (I really wasn't planning to listen to either set in entirety, but the stories and performances pulled me right in and along to the end, which in my mind certain makes them worthy of high marks). Well, that's because Bertram's basically the Doctor, yeh?... Having the Doctor show up would just be redundant, since we basically already have one on the cast. Actually, I think I prefer the way the review assigned comparative roles for this. I just meant though that I think India is a wonderful and very compelling actress and that Charley is a really great character, and that and the stories also being quite well written quite well written kept me from wishing for The Doctor to show up, because that's what I usually do if he's not around. I'm most impressed with both sets because of that. Really good stuff. As far as the review Nick didn't like, I don't think I liked it either because it seemed like what it was taking exception to was sort of odd and probably slightly piddly - but that probably happens with a lot of reviews I read, and if it's something like that that kept the reviewer from giving the story two more stars, I don't know if that's entirely fair to what's being reviewed to not just go ahead and give it a better rating - especially if it's something where it's pretty obvious everyone worked very hard on it.
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Post by IndieMacUser on Mar 29, 2017 9:19:31 GMT
Ok....so this was a weird one to read this morning,
I'm the owner/editor of the site where this review was published. I didn't write this review but I will pass your comments on to the reviewer and he may choose to respond himself.
I'd like to thank you all for your comments and I have to agree nicks comments did come off abit harsh.
I like nick, I listen to the Big Finish podcast, but he does come off abit odd sometimes. We've had twitter engagement with him before but nothing like this.
There is a 'netiquette' of not responding to people but this isn't Always followed and it can be a shock when it isn't
I'm happy to accept We kind of bring this on ourselves by tagging people in a review. I personally don't think 7/10 is a 'bad review though. We often give 9 or 10 for releases. But we have once or twice given 6 or less.
All publicity is good publicity they say - and that works both ways.
I never put ratings or any negative comments in a tweet. I wouldn't tag people in tweet saying 'this is a crappy film - here's our review'
We try to be balanced and constructive rather than negative; but we can't always praise everything. That is the game.
Our working relationship with Big Finish has been pretty good so far, we do occasionally get quoted and Sue and her team do amazing work. I truly hope this will continue.
On the plus side I now know this forum exists which I count as a win.
Benjamin Gummery Editor IndieMacUser
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Post by mark687 on Mar 29, 2017 9:37:10 GMT
Ok....so this was a weird one to read this morning, I'm the owner/editor of the site where this review was published. I didn't write this review but I will pass your comments on to the reviewer and he may choose to respond himself. I'd like to thank you all for your comments and I have to agree nicks comments did come off abit harsh. I like nick, I listen to the Big Finish podcast, but he does come off abit odd sometimes. We've had twitter engagement with him before but nothing like this. There is a 'netiquette' of not responding to people but this isn't Always followed and it can be a shock when it isn't I'm happy to accept We kind of bring this on ourselves by tagging people in a review. I personally don't think 7/10 is a 'bad review though. We often give 9 or 10 for releases. But we have once or twice given 6 or less. All publicity is good publicity they say - and that works both ways. I never put ratings or any negative comments in a tweet. I wouldn't tag people in tweet saying 'this is a crappy film - here's our review' We try to balanced and constructive rather than negative; but we can't always praise everything. That is the game. Our working relationship with Big Finish has been pretty good so far, we do occasionally get quoted and Sue and her team do amazing work. I truly hope this will continue. On the plus side I now know this forum exists which I count as a win. Benjamin Gummery Editor IndieMacUser Thanks for your response and welcome to the Forums
I'll fess up I have no interest in the series but I still reviews,
Obviously the tone of Nick's Tweet caught my eye so I read it.
Your reviewer is up font that he hasn't heard Series 1 but that Series 2 has made him want too and Series 3, and they had 1 minor criticism.
Please do continue with your reviews the more the merrier I say
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Post by kimalysong on Mar 29, 2017 9:48:18 GMT
Thank you for your thoughts IndieMacUserI don't think the review was "crappy" as Nick said or even bad but I do think 7/10 is a pretty average score and it doesn't make me think I have to buy this. I think the review itself was fine with both positive & negative points but as a listener on the fence already it didn't make me personally want to buy the product. That's perfectly fine I certainly don't think all reviews should be glowing & the reviewer should always be honest. I just didn't think it was necessary to tweet a review like that to the people who worked on it. Of course I don't know what the etiquette for this type of thing is. When you are sent a review copy are you supposed to say & here is my review. Anyways welcome to the forum.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 10:21:53 GMT
Thank you, davygallagher I think when you respond to reviews of your work harshly, it looks a bit ... I don't know, desperate. To describe the review as 'crappy', which it isn't, gives the impression that the writer only appreciates 10/10 favourable reviews, which again (I'm sorry to say) smacks of ego above anything else. You write things, you put them 'out there', you have to be able to handle negativity without getting arsey, and Nick has been around long enough to know that. 7 out of 10 ain't a bad score! indiemacuser - nice to read your words.
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Post by Tony Jones on Mar 29, 2017 10:35:24 GMT
Thank you for your thoughts IndieMacUser I don't think the review was "crappy" as Nick said or even bad but I do think 7/10 is a pretty average score and it doesn't make me think I have to buy this. I think the review itself was fine with both positive & negative points but as a listener on the fence already it didn't make me personally want to buy the product. That's perfectly fine I certainly don't think all reviews should be glowing & the reviewer should always be honest. I just didn't think it was necessary to tweet a review like that to the people who worked on it. Of course I don't know what the etiquette for this type of thing is. When you are sent a review copy are you supposed to say & here is my review. Anyways welcome to the forum. Reviewing is tricky sometimes and I also have to manage the reviewers at Starburst. Sometimes we get asked why a positive review only gets a relatively low score. My own view is 10/10 is exceptional, 8 and 9 are good and 7 can be fine. Where I have problems with something I try to explain why, and I have before now warned Big Finish of an upcoming negative review. Having written a tiny number of things for BF, reading reviews is interesting. Somebody gave Rulebook 7/10 and argued the case well and I agreed with their assessment. I'd like to see some more views on this set, my worries are it might not be popular as Nick has taken some risks with the narrative that take it some distance from where Charley seemed to be headed. My review (not out yet) has lots of positives but also sounds a note of caution. I try to be objective, and on my blog I find positive things to say about stories even if I don't like them. I think the integrity of a reviewer means they need to say it as they see (or hear!) it. When I mark down I try to explain why, and it is more than an opinion as it has an internal argument as to the merits or otherwise of the story. I'm well aware of the immense effort that goes into every single piece of work BF produces.
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Post by mark687 on Mar 29, 2017 11:05:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 11:13:44 GMT
Is it explained why the Virans have a different voice?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 11:50:50 GMT
I think when you respond to reviews of your work harshly, it looks a bit ... I don't know, desperate. To describe the review as 'crappy', which it isn't, gives the impression that the writer only appreciates 10/10 favourable reviews, which again (I'm sorry to say) smacks of ego above anything else. You write things, you put them 'out there', you have to be able to handle negativity without getting arsey, and Nick has been around long enough to know that. Nick has been around moaning about criticism of his stories for years too; one Sunday morning on the old BBC Message Boards he reacted very badly to somebody complaining about Embrace the Darkness. The complaint was minor - something about it not fitting in with the Charley arc and/or resolving the end of the previous story (or something) - but Nick took it badly enough to register on those boards and post his first four/five messages that morning defending his story and putting down the people's complaints. Nothing has changed since then, he dislikes moaning ninnies and reacts badly if everything he writes isn't welcomed with cries of greatness. I don't buy Big Finish products based on reviews, but a 7/10 review isn't bad in my eyes. If I was Nick I'd consider that a reasonably good score!
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Mar 29, 2017 12:51:25 GMT
I think Briggsy's response is a bit out of proportion to be fair.
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