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Post by kimalysong on Mar 29, 2017 15:27:20 GMT
I think Nick himself is aware he doesn't take criticism well. Not everyone does, personally I don't think I would either. Heck sometimes I don't take it well when someone criticizes something I personally enjoy.
Nick told me he is familiar with this forum but he doesn't read it because he thinks people should be able to say whatever they want on here without knowing that person is reading their thoughts. He compared it to being in a bar where you would accidentally eavesdrop on people talking about you. And while it's true if you don't read the bad you may also miss out on the good I personally respect and understand his point of view.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 15:57:29 GMT
Yeah but I think the point remains it was hardly critical. If it were a hatchet job I'd think fair enough for him to be narky but a 7/10? It's well above average and the guy specifically praises both Nick's directing and writing. This is him not taking praise well which is quite different to not taking criticism well.
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Post by doctorsquee on Mar 29, 2017 16:03:39 GMT
(Moves out of the shadows, hand in air) Hi guys, I'm the "Crappy" reviewer.
First of all thanks to Ben from Indie Mac User and the other comments here about my review.
I honestly don't mind Nick not liking my review or him choosing to not retweet. We don't expect retweets and he is trying to sell a product here, so if I were him I would only retweet 10/10 reviews.
I did find calling my review crappy a little unnessassary. I can only imagine his response if my review had called his work crappy or if that was the text in the tweet for the link. I like to think his work as well as my reviewing deserves better than that. He doesn't have to like my work, just cause I'm a fan of his.
To those who have said we shouldn't have retweeting a less than glowing review, well we don't. I honestly thought 7/10 and my comments were fair. I pointed out one thing I found a flaw and didn't think that negated the rest of the positive review. I have not liked a few of the BF audios (please see my review of the Zaltys on indie Mac user) and it that case my editor did not copy anyone in as we are not out to insult anyone. But to review stuff you have to be honest and that shows when you do like something it's an honest review. I just wish Nick had done what we do and if he didn't like it, just not replied.
For those here who found my review unhelpful as to wether or not to buy this, then that is probably fair. I was trying to write this from the perspective of someone who hasn't listened to boxset 1 and if anyone in a similar boat should do invest in it, so unlike most of my reviews not as helpful to everyone. Regardless thank you for your criticism being constructive.
Nick has before replied to our reviews with constructive criticism and had a dialogue with me, which I appreciated.
To clarify he hasn't blocked us as reviewers and he is totally entitled to not like my work. I'm still a huge fan of his and Big Finish, just hope in future he can keep it a little more constructive.
Thanks.
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Post by kimalysong on Mar 29, 2017 16:27:44 GMT
(Moves out of the shadows, hand in air) Hi guys, I'm the "Crappy" reviewer. First of all thanks to Ben from Indie Mac User and the other comments here about my review. I honestly don't mind Nick not liking my review or him choosing to not retweet. We don't expect retweets and he is trying to sell a product here, so if I were him I would only retweet 10/10 reviews. I did find calling my review crappy a little unnessassary. I can only imagine his response if my review had called his work crappy or if that was the text in the tweet for the link. I like to think his work as well as my reviewing deserves better than that. He doesn't have to like my work, just cause I'm a fan of his. To those who have said we shouldn't have retweeting a less than glowing review, well we don't. I honestly thought 7/10 and my comments were fair. I pointed out one thing I found a flaw and didn't think that negated the rest of the positive review. I have not liked a few of the BF audios (please see my review of the Zaltys on indie Mac user) and it that case my editor did not copy anyone in as we are not out to insult anyone. But to review stuff you have to be honest and that shows when you do like something it's an honest review. I just wish Nick had done what we do and if he didn't like it, just not replied. For those here who found my review unhelpful as to wether or not to buy this, then that is probably fair. I was trying to write this from the perspective of someone who hasn't listened to boxset 1 and if anyone in a similar boat should do invest in it, so unlike most of my reviews not as helpful to everyone. Regardless thank you for your criticism being constructive. Nick has before replied to our reviews with constructive criticism and had a dialogue with me, which I appreciated. To clarify he hasn't blocked us as reviewers and he is totally entitled to not like my work. I'm still a huge fan of his and Big Finish, just hope in future he can keep it a little more constructive. Thanks. For the record I want to reiterate I don't think there was anything wrong with your review. Nor do I think it was crappy or rude at all but I guess different people see a score of 7/10 differently and I do realize it's more the words than the score that are important but in the end I feel the score is what stands out. I think 7/10 is more well that wasn't bad but not something I'd personally recommend. So when I say about not tweeting "bad" reviews to the people who worked on it I would include something like 7/10. Not because 7/10 is necessarily bad but it's not exactly a score that stands out as I really enjoyed this either. Of course I say this as someone who is not a reviewer but just as fan who tweets Big Finish all the time when I really love something. But if I thought something was only worth a 7/10 I don't think I would let them know about it. That's just my perspective. I definitely think calling your review crappy was harsh and maybe on retrospective Nick would agree with that too but I also understand why he said he wouldn't RT this review. Note: I wouldn't use one review to decide whether to buy something or not. But just saying as a person who is on the fence if the majority of reviews came back as 7/10 that would definitely not be something I would rush to buy. Hence I don't really see a score of 7/10 as a positive but again people interpret scores differently.
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Post by fingersmash on Mar 29, 2017 16:34:25 GMT
I understand why Nick's being a whiny pissbaby about it. He's been working on this for what? Three years? He's still being a whiny pissbaby though and on a decent review too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 16:45:19 GMT
7/10 is a very solid verging on good score. It's a lot closer to ten than zero which tells you it's well above middling. 70% gets you first class honours at university after all. I do think though, there's a point about review scores, that a 10 scale is pointless to interpret if indeed people think something like a 5 is an awful score rather than just middle of the road. I'm glad the guys have joined us to share their thoughts and hope they were glad we mostly saw it very much from their viewpoint even before they came on. Any chance for new members
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Post by doctorsquee on Mar 29, 2017 16:47:29 GMT
I understand why Nick's being a whiny pissbaby about it. He's been working on this for what? Three years? He's still being a whiny pissbaby though and on a decent review too. I wouldn't go that far, but I think he was was thin skinned in his response and overly harsh in his response.
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Post by doctorsquee on Mar 29, 2017 16:49:29 GMT
7/10 is a very solid verging on good score. It's a lot closer to ten than zero which tells you it's well above middling. 70% gets you first class honours at university after all. I do think though, there's a point about review scores, that a 10 scale is pointless to interpret if indeed people think something like a 5 is an awful score rather than just middle of the road. I'm glad the guys have joined us to share their thoughts and hope they were glad we mostly saw it very much from their viewpoint even before they came on. Any chance for new members Comments from your members have been very fair and appreciated. Ben and I were both very pleased to find this forum through this. Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 17:10:32 GMT
I understand why Nick's being a whiny pissbaby about it. He's been working on this for what? Three years? He's still being a whiny pissbaby though and on a decent review too. I wouldn't go that far, but I think he was was thin skinned in his response and overly harsh in his response. Also, it was counter-productive from his point of view. Instead of discussing the story, we are discussing his unreasonable reaction to criticism of it! It seems he likes to surround himself only with those who praise him, which seems insular and unrealistic to me.
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Post by acousticwolf on Mar 29, 2017 17:12:16 GMT
Comments from your members have been very fair and appreciated. Ben and I were both very pleased to find this forum through this. Thanks. You and Ben are most welcome here and we look forward to seeing more "crappy" reviews . Can I direct you to the Blogs, Reviews section ( here). Please feel free to add your reviews or links to indie Mac there Cheers Tony EDIT: By the way, how did you come across the forum?
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Post by kimalysong on Mar 29, 2017 17:13:28 GMT
7/10 is a very solid verging on good score. It's a lot closer to ten than zero which tells you it's well above middling. 70% gets you first class honours at university after all. I do think though, there's a point about review scores, that a 10 scale is pointless to interpret if indeed people think something like a 5 is an awful score rather than just middle of the road. I'm glad the guys have joined us to share their thoughts and hope they were glad we mostly saw it very much from their viewpoint even before they came on. Any chance for new members Maybe this explains the different perspective in the US a 70% is average and would get you a C. In High School it would be passing in college here this would not be a good enough grade to keep your scholarship.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 17:18:10 GMT
7/10 is a very solid verging on good score. It's a lot closer to ten than zero which tells you it's well above middling. 70% gets you first class honours at university after all. I do think though, there's a point about review scores, that a 10 scale is pointless to interpret if indeed people think something like a 5 is an awful score rather than just middle of the road. I'm glad the guys have joined us to share their thoughts and hope they were glad we mostly saw it very much from their viewpoint even before they came on. Any chance for new members Maybe this explains the different perspective in the US a 70% is average and would get you a C. In High School it would be passing in college here this would not be a good enough grade to keep your scholarship. I'd be happy to get 70% in my exams at school - rarely did, though!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 17:30:41 GMT
7/10 is a very solid verging on good score. It's a lot closer to ten than zero which tells you it's well above middling. 70% gets you first class honours at university after all. I do think though, there's a point about review scores, that a 10 scale is pointless to interpret if indeed people think something like a 5 is an awful score rather than just middle of the road. I'm glad the guys have joined us to share their thoughts and hope they were glad we mostly saw it very much from their viewpoint even before they came on. Any chance for new members Maybe this explains the different perspective in the US a 70% is average and would get you a C. In High School it would be passing in college here this would not be a good enough grade to keep your scholarship. Well, it wouldn't be enough to pass your driving test here, to use another arbitrary metric, but it was really just an analogy. To use perhaps a more apt bit of modern reviewing parlance, a score of 70% gets you a fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes and that's US based so I'm sure plenty must think it's a reasonable barometer to be recommended or RT would have a much lower threshold. I think Tony Jones nailed it - 7 is a solid, if unspectacular recommendation. 8s are good with 9s very good. 10s should be used very sparingly at the risk of devaluing your objectivity and seeming to be propaganda.
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Post by doctorsquee on Mar 29, 2017 17:32:00 GMT
7/10 is a very solid verging on good score. It's a lot closer to ten than zero which tells you it's well above middling. 70% gets you first class honours at university after all. I do think though, there's a point about review scores, that a 10 scale is pointless to interpret if indeed people think something like a 5 is an awful score rather than just middle of the road. I'm glad the guys have joined us to share their thoughts and hope they were glad we mostly saw it very much from their viewpoint even before they came on. Any chance for new members Maybe this explains the different perspective in the US a 70% is average and would get you a C. In High School it would be passing in college here this would not be a good enough grade to keep your scholarship. I'm English. 4 C's gets you into a decent college course and is better than i got at school. Probably why it seemed like a good score to me. 😂
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Post by doctorsquee on Mar 29, 2017 17:33:20 GMT
Comments from your members have been very fair and appreciated. Ben and I were both very pleased to find this forum through this. Thanks. You and Ben are most welcome here and we look forward to seeing more "crappy" reviews . Can I direct you to the Blogs, Reviews section ( here). Please feel free to add your reviews or links to indie Mac there Cheers Tony EDIT: By the way, how did you come across the forum? I heard about the forum through Ben after Mr Briggs voicing his opinion of my review. 😀
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Post by elkawho on Mar 29, 2017 18:01:48 GMT
Back to the topic....I'm half-way through the set and I'm really enjoying it. In fact, I think I'm enjoying it a lot more than the first set. (From what I remember. ) I actually DON'T see Charley as the Doctor here so far. It feels like she's out of her depth and trying to find her footing, which I like. She seemed extremely sure of herself during her travels with Sixie and it's good to see her trying to figure things out. Her relationship with Robert is nicely awkward. I agree, though, that is does have a UNIT feel to it, almost more than the actual UNIT audios. All in all I'm glad I bought this set, since I was unsure at first, and look forward to more.
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Post by barnabaslives on Mar 29, 2017 18:17:40 GMT
I guess it depends a bit on how one interprets the numbers then. I was thinking of 7 as rather lukewarm since I don't think I've ever seen a Big Finish rated less that 5 or 6 by a reviewer, although ratings of 9 and 10 have been relative rarities in reviews I've read, if I've ever seen a 10. Personally I would struggle to reconcile trying to have an honest opinion and trying deliberately to give the highest ratings sparingly, if I thought something was worthy of such. I may not know for certain what it is, but inevitably something has to rate a 10. :-)
As to what caused the ahem, ruffling of Mr. Briggs, I of course don't actually know what any involved parties are thinking, but I do know for myself the more I think a criticism is fair and well considered the more likely I am to take it graciously, and that too often I've come up with criticisms of audios (and other things) that seem a little out of proportion at a second glance. Sometimes I think they have come up in the course of not wanting to pour pure praise over something, and for that they've probably come out a bit of clutching at straws for something to say that isn't. In the long run though I think I just enjoy the stories a bit more if I can sort those things out and keep smaller criticisms in perspective.
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Post by acousticwolf on Mar 29, 2017 18:30:03 GMT
I guess it depends a bit on how one interprets the numbers then. I was thinking of 7 as rather lukewarm since I don't think I've ever seen a Big Finish rated less that 5 or 6 by a reviewer, although ratings of 9 and 10 have been relative rarities in reviews I've read, if I've ever seen a 10. Personally I would struggle to reconcile trying to have an honest opinion and trying deliberately to give the highest ratings sparingly, if I thought something was worthy of such. I may not know for certain what it is, but inevitably something has to rate a 10. :-) Just to derail the thread a bit more, doctorsquee has actually given The Jago & Litefoot Revival Act 1 a 10/10 Cheers Tony
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Post by coffeeaddict on Mar 29, 2017 18:38:36 GMT
Normally I never read reviews, at least not until after I have heard the release - then I can see if others agree with my assessment.
I'm not a fan of Charlotte Pollard so there is no chance of my getting this set. I did read the review in question and I'm thinking it is a case of Nick taking this closer to heart than others because it is one of his pet projects - not that it excuses his ill thought response.
The only thing I can say is that to my mind the writing in the review needs some polishing, but that is something that comes from having the opportunity to do a lot of writing. Writing reviews is a different beast from other forms of writing. An example is writing news for radio or tv being different than writing for print.
As has been stated some of us have a hard time taking criticism, constructive or not.
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Post by IndieMacUser on Mar 29, 2017 19:09:28 GMT
You and Ben are most welcome here and we look forward to seeing more "crappy" reviews . Can I direct you to the Blogs, Reviews section ( here). Please feel free to add your reviews or links to indie Mac there Cheers Tony EDIT: By the way, how did you come across the forum? Thank you! And thanks for letting me know the appropriate forum to post stuff as I would hate to come in and just spam the place. I noticed the review was getting a few hits from this forum via my website control panel so I thought it was worth checking it out. With regards to ratings; the rule of thumb I use is taken from Empire Magazine. In their system 3/5 stars IS considered a Recommendation. So that would equate to 6/10. I think someone earlier in the thread asked about the conditions of the review copies we receive. In answer to your question yes we are required to send all our reviews to Big Finish. Whether they then get passed on to people like Nick I have no idea. I look forward to reading and contributing more here. We have reviews of all the Doctor Who related releases and some of the other titles usually posted on the day of release. Also hoping to have a few more reviewers on board soon so we can cover more of the other titles.
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