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Post by charlesuirdhein on Mar 5, 2017 0:45:17 GMT
I know there are undisclosed issues (to us anyway, in detail) about why we haven't had anything really set in this series (apart from a bit around it in LC Volume 6) but I'm of the opinion that Series D really does need to be done if Blake's 7 is to have a further future at Big Finish, at least at some point. I mean I'll be happy with more Liberator Chronicles, though we'll miss Gareth Thomas, but without him full cast seems locked into Series B, and we've already addressed the missing crew member issue of Series C and I can't see that working again.
Or are we looking at a recast?
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Post by bobod on Mar 5, 2017 1:24:13 GMT
The reasons have been fairly disclosed, haven't they?
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Post by omega on Mar 5, 2017 1:29:55 GMT
Isn't it that Series D is legally off limits?
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Mar 5, 2017 2:20:13 GMT
Isn't it that Series D is legally off limits? Well we've been told variations of that but rather vaguely, possibly because negotiations ARE ongoing. The point being that "legally off limits" could mean a lot of things, rather than us actually knowing for instance that (1) the rights are tied up with X or (2) the rights are split or (3) the rights are there but whoever isn't interested. All of which equal some variation of "legally off limits". Or (4) they want too much. We don't know. I'm sure NDAs may be involved anyway.
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Post by anothermanicmondas on Mar 5, 2017 14:13:05 GMT
Isn't it that Series D is legally off limits? Well we've been told variations of that but rather vaguely, possibly because negotiations ARE ongoing. The point being that "legally off limits" could mean a lot of things, rather than us actually knowing for instance that (1) the rights are tied up with X or (2) the rights are split or (3) the rights are there but whoever isn't interested. All of which equal some variation of "legally off limits". Or (4) they want too much. We don't know. I'm sure NDAs may be involved anyway. Whichever, it means that series D is currently, legally off-limits and unless the situation changes Big Finish would have great difficulty doing audios set during that season, no matter how much any of us or them wish it to. They probably can do stories set during that period following on from earlier events as long as they do not reference chartacters, events, ideas, etc introduced during season D but that could be very restrictive.
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Post by mark687 on Mar 5, 2017 14:33:48 GMT
The latest from a recent podcast was that there were issues "that were being addressed".
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Post by barnabaslives on Mar 5, 2017 17:14:40 GMT
The latest from a recent podcast was that there were issues "that were being addressed". That might be good news provided it doesn't turn out to be more in the Elusive Downloadable Bernice sense. :-) Perhaps if one is sufficiently curious, there might be public documents on file that might clarify the ownership of Chris Boucher's innovations, whether he's retained the rights to them or whether these might have been credited works-for-hire that belong to the BBC? IF elements of seasons 3/4 are owned by the BBC and assuming the BBC is usually amenable about these things, it might be either the availability of performers or the financial viability of a license for seasons 3/4 that are the determining factors? Possibly a case though of Big Finish thus far just trying to make the most of the license they have. Might also be that the blessing of the Nation estate is required but anything that sounds like it may remain negotiable makes me optimistic. So I don't know if it helps make the proposition any more viable (I don't know anything about any of this really), but I'd certainly be interested in stories with later characters. I've heard Josette Simon doesn't sound very amenable to the idea but perhaps she might reconsider if prospects were solid enough to give it more serious thought? I'm assuming it's still a purely rhetorical question for her if BF doesn't yet have the appropriate license. (No idea why she might be reluctant other than being made to run up and down rocky hillsides in Jenna's pants for two seasons? - poor kid, why didn't they insist on high heels too so a sprained ankle would be even more of a certainty? - but thankfully we can assure her that such things need never happen on audio). It would be wonderful if Big Finish got do for and Dayna and Soolin or anyone else what they've done for numerous other other characters, seasons or stories. It was very gratifying to read comments from Jan and Sally that seemed to express appreciation that Big Finish had given care to making their roles more well-rounded or rewarding than they might have been sometimes originally, because I felt very similar appreciation after hearing them in the BF audios. And yes, in theory Big Finish could just keep slotting stories into Season 2 and I'd want to buy them, but it would be fantastic to see what they could do with a broader palette. This especially since B7 seems to be something where I'm really not very keen on the idea of recasting for whatever reason. (I keep toying with the idea of photoshopping up some Avon's 7 logos, but somehow I have to admire the OS for not recasting major roles even when it meant two seasons of Blake's 7 with no Blake). A Rebellion Reborn is the only BF B7 audio I haven't purchased and have no plans to as yet - I did try, because I probably approve of the premise and there are some notable cast (and I'm a bit of a completist), but I didn't actually make it all the way through the trailer.
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Post by bobod on Mar 5, 2017 18:39:34 GMT
I'm not understanding this thing of series B somehow being more feasible than A or C.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 20:34:48 GMT
I'm not understanding this thing of series B somehow being more feasible than A or C. I agree. A is a bit more difficult as they need to work round two missing characters. Otherwise there's the choice of working round Blake or Dayna. Of the two I'd rather they just recast Dayna and did proper series C.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Mar 6, 2017 9:15:54 GMT
If they do work out the quirks with Series D, then it's the best bet for the next fullish-cast volume, it's a lot easier to work around absent actors when you have both a Ship and a base of operations and a brewing rebellion.
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Post by lidar on Mar 6, 2017 9:53:50 GMT
I'm not understanding this thing of series B somehow being more feasible than A or C. I was wondering that too
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Post by lidar on Mar 6, 2017 9:59:19 GMT
I'm not understanding this thing of series B somehow being more feasible than A or C. I agree. A is a bit more difficult as they need to work round two missing characters. Otherwise there's the choice of working round Blake or Dayna. Of the two I'd rather they just recast Dayna and did proper series C. Recasting Blake would be a bridge too far for me at this time. Dayna would not cause me a problem, particularly if BF used Angela Bruce - A certain amount of time needs to have passed since the actor's death otherwise it is tooa disrespectful. - Blake is a more central character than Dayna and Gareth Thomas had a very distinctive voice - Dayna (like Travis) has already been recast by the BBC in an official production - Josette Simon's absence is her own choice
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Post by bobod on Mar 6, 2017 10:02:36 GMT
I wouldn't use Angela Bruce, she has a woman's voice and Dayna is a girl. IF they had to recast (which in general I am against) it should be with an actress of the right age for the part. Not one playing down.
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Post by lidar on Mar 6, 2017 22:48:40 GMT
Isn't it that Series D is legally off limits? The BBC were able to do the 2 Barry Letts radio plays set in season 4, so the rights can't be completely impossible to get
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Mar 6, 2017 23:42:27 GMT
Isn't it that Series D is legally off limits? The BBC were able to do the 2 Barry Letts radio plays set in season 4, so the rights can't be completely impossible to get The Beeb doing it and others getting a licence aint the same thing though.
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Post by doctorkernow on Apr 25, 2017 19:16:57 GMT
Hello again. Series D? Are you serious? Blake's 7 went from Blake's 7 to Blake's 3 and a half. Avon became really odd, even more cold and distant than before. I found Slave really annoying compared to the enigmatic Zen. My favourite character was Vila and the one story that stuck in my mind ,nearly 36 years later, from that last series was Orbit by the late great Robert Holmes. Also, I have never seen Blake. I've no idea why I missed it and I haven't watched it since because my parents told me they all got killed off and I was so upset I didn't want to think that they all lost in their struggle against the Federation. Blake's 7 is unusual among sci-fi. It was a strange mix of gritty realism and surreal silliness such as Servalan trolling around the quarry of the week in heels and an evening dress. I think the reason I dislike series 4 so much is partly they lost that beautiful ship Liberator and partly because it became the Avon and Servalan show. While both characters were played with great style, I found things a bit repetitive. The original premise is brilliant and the original crew is my favourite. Also, one of the best tv themes ever, easily in my top ten. It is good that there are audio adventures to continue the story. Such a shame we've lost Gareth Thomas, I used to like the dynamic between Blake and Avon. Well now I'd better head off before the B7 Fan Federation come after me... P.S I can heartily recommend the Perryman's Blake's 7 blog. Hilarious. Brought back a lot of memories of this brave sci-fi epic filmed on a shoestring BBC budget. thewifeandblake.com
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Apr 25, 2017 23:57:56 GMT
Hello again. Series D? Are you serious? Blake's 7 went from Blake's 7 to Blake's 3 and a half. Avon became really odd, even more cold and distant than before. I found Slave really annoying compared to the enigmatic Zen. My favourite character was Vila and the one story that stuck in my mind ,nearly 36 years later, from that last series was Orbit by the late great Robert Holmes. Also, I have never seen Blake. I've no idea why I missed it and I haven't watched it since because my parents told me they all got killed off and I was so upset I didn't want to think that they all lost in their struggle against the Federation. Blake's 7 is unusual among sci-fi. It was a strange mix of gritty realism and surreal silliness such as Servalan trolling around the quarry of the week in heels and an evening dress. I think the reason I dislike series 4 so much is partly they lost that beautiful ship Liberator and partly because it became the Avon and Servalan show. While both characters were played with great style, I found things a bit repetitive. The original premise is brilliant and the original crew is my favourite. Also, one of the best tv themes ever, easily in my top ten. It is good that there are audio adventures to continue the story. Such a shame we've lost Gareth Thomas, I used to like the dynamic between Blake and Avon. Well now I'd better head off before the B7 Fan Federation come after me... P.S I can heartily recommend the Perryman's Blake's 7 blog. Hilarious. Brought back a lot of memories of this brave sci-fi epic filmed on a shoestring BBC budget. thewifeandblake.comYes, I'm serious. BF have a good track record of expanding and vivifying series, and while you and I may disagree on Series D, I for one think that they could enhance it beyond what it is.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 1:45:01 GMT
If nothing else, I'd enjoy hearing some more stories from Soolin. A young woman trained as an assassin by the people responsible for killing her family, who later killed her mentor and went freelance. Classic trope. Tonnes to explore there, both in her past and the present.
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Post by doctorkernow on Apr 26, 2017 6:45:35 GMT
Hello again. Yes, it is highly likely that Big Finish would improve on TV series D Charlesuirdhein.
However, series D is not for me.
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Post by bobod on Apr 26, 2017 8:06:48 GMT
I think the reason I dislike series 4 so much is partly they lost that beautiful ship Liberator and partly because it became the Avon and Servalan show. Surely, at least in part, Series D is a reaction *against* The Avon and Servalan Show of Series C. Chris Boucher felt the show had veered too far that way in the third season and so ensured the two characters were kept apart throughout the fourth. They only speak face to face once IIRC.
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